Yet Another Food Blog: help me name it
Hi all,
Ok, i'm jumping into the fray and want to start a food blog. Why? I'm a Vietnamese-American borned in VN but raised in the midwest. Left comforts of home for12 yrs of college, gradschool and training and during this time I craved my mom's home cooking and began to learn to cook, long distance often w/ mom on the phone. Since then my interest in food has grown to not just making mom's traditional Vietnamese specialties but all types of cuisine. My travels in Europe and Asia as well as living in Seattle and NYC has nurtured an adventuresome spirit and a nostalgia for great diverse food. I don't plan to make money off it but and just hope to have a nice following.
Name is Hong Pham. I've thought of Phamily Foods...but sounds tacky....FoodNostalgia..too plan...any suggestions appreciated!!!!
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64 Comments:
Call it get to know us before you pitch your blog. Manners?
JerzeeTomato at 8:29PM on 04/28/09
I don't understand what you mean or how i've offended you. I've read previous posts on this forum of people getting great suggestions for blog names...just sincerely asking for suggestions thats all. I haven't even started one yet to even "pitch", advertise, or garner trafffic.
hppzz at 9:38PM on 04/28/09
We like to get to know people before we offer advise. How about we start over and you get to know us.
JerzeeTomato at 11:30PM on 04/28/09
Wow... sounds like somebody's having a bad day.
And I actually don't think "Phamily Foods" is a terrible idea. Good luck!
plaurel at 12:00AM on 04/29/09
no suggestions, but can't wait to read it!
dmarina at 2:01AM on 04/29/09
I wasn't under the impression you were "pitching" your blog - you did introduce yourself, your interests and background and I personally have received help or advice on SE without formally getting to know people...because we are a community with a shared interest. Now, if you were just shilling your product, that's another story. I don't think "Phamily Foods" is bad either. It's a nice play on your last name and what your food means to you. Good luck!
radley24 at 8:56AM on 04/29/09
My only thoughts were this: Come up with your own name...it's your blog. Do you me to write it for you too?
Hey, I'm having a bad day...does that excuse my rude response? Jerzee can say whatever she wants. She knows her stuff AND she's got seniority here.
arm1970 at 9:02AM on 04/29/09
I also like Phamily Foods, but with one caveat--it might not come up that much if you Google Vietnamese food, so perhaps a subtitle. For example:
"Phamily Foods: Popcorn and Pho" to show your Vietnamese and American cuisine roots, or whatever your favorite foods are from the different cultures that your blog will represent.
I can understand if the OP was shilling, while people would be upset, but I don't understand why a 'it is your blog do it yourself' is an acceptable response anymore than 'it is your restaurant, come up with your own menu/it is your cake fix it'--the hostility is only justified, IMHO if the post is along the lines of 'I have fixed my cake with great product X'
While this is a community, I do not see this as a website where one has to be well-known to post topics. I can understand if the OP has a link to her blog or something of that nature, but naming a blog can be hard because you want it to be suitable, draw traffic, and so forth.
HeartofGlass at 9:43AM on 04/29/09
Wow, what's the point of being a member of this community if you can't ask a question like that and not get nasty responses? If I ask for a Midtown NYC restaurant suggestion, should no one answer because they might be pimping a certain eatery???
Jennefur at 10:08AM on 04/29/09
May I make a suggestion to all of the self appointed comment police. Start a invitation only blog. That way you can still participate on Serious Eats and have your own blog to vent your frustrations over everyone elses silly and inappropriate comments and questions. ;b
finsbigfan at 10:20AM on 04/29/09
wow! Sorry you received such snappy comments!
Your blog sounds interesting! I would think of something along the lines of "melting pot". Keep in mind to have a rather short name for your blog so people will have an easier time remembering.
When I came up w/mine (MangoTomato), I did so b/c Mango is my favorite fruit and Tomato is my favorite "vegetable." Two word names are super popular ;)
PS: I lived in Seattle for 8 years!
orchidgirl at 10:26AM on 04/29/09
"seniority"?
are you kidding me?
intheyearofthepig at 10:31AM on 04/29/09
Phamily Foods is good! It applies to what you want to do/ how your interest in food developed and incorporates your name. I also like Heart's suggestion of a subtitle.
Kerosena at 10:40AM on 04/29/09
Wow. Never knew that SE had members that rule over any other members here. Interesting. Sure, Jerzee knows her stuff and I have used her advice on some occasions, but I thought her response was a tad "over the top" and not very welcoming. The OP wasn't selling us something, posted no links to a blog or anything else and really offered a lot of his/her background and interests. I don't know if I would want to keep coming back if I received a response like that. Just my own opinion.
(I like Heart's subtitle suggestion as well)
radley24 at 11:15AM on 04/29/09
Well alright!!! I'm happy to see some people come out of the woodwork to defend this girl for asking a simple question! Yes...I made a snarky remark myself and after it was posted realized that I was behaving the exact same way I thought others on this site behave sometimes (you know who you are).
I come here to read about food and share thoughts on food related subjects and to ask and give advice to the best of my ability. I'm no expert....and anyone here who says they are is full of it because if they were then they would be too busy to be here in the first place.
This goes back to the recent post "Disgruntled Foodie". This is food...it's not rocket science. If you have a lot of experience cooking then share it with those of us who want to learn from you. There is no need for arrogance. This isn't high school. If this is about cliques...then I'll go hang out with the nerds or something, NOT the snooty cheerleaders.
@hppz - I apologize to YOU for my stupid comment. And I do like Phamily Foods. ; )
arm1970 at 11:24AM on 04/29/09
Let us all take a deep breath, hold hands, and sing kumbaya!
HeartofGlass at 11:27AM on 04/29/09
@Heart - Smarty Pants! ; ) Thanks for the levity....I'll shut up now.
arm1970 at 11:33AM on 04/29/09
@heart: agreed! I am glad others were a little braver than me and spoke up...i hate when the secret rule books are broken out and knuckles get rapped!
Cary at 12:23PM on 04/29/09
I'm going to vote down Phamily foods because it sounds like its a blog about homecooking and such. Since you travel and like food adventures this doesn't quite fit what you're going for.
I have a similar problem (I'm chinese but love all types of foods...).
I'll keep thinking and see what I can offer later.
engmcmuffin at 12:48PM on 04/29/09
oh! how about "The Phamished ____" ? I cant think of a good noun though. I like the idea that famished means extreme hunger and we can use your name-pun.
engmcmuffin at 12:51PM on 04/29/09
Can I suggest that if new posters are going to be attacked for posting something they don't realize is taboo, to add a sticky "FAQ - Read this before posting" rules topic to the Talk section? It certainly seemed like an innocent post to me...
@engmcmuffin, I love the "The Phamished ___" idea! Not sure what to put in there either, unfortunately, though I do think it would sound best to go with alliteration. Is there some type of Vietnamese food that starts with an "F" sound? Maybe could go with "___ and the Phamished Foodie," though that might be getting kind of long...
cycorider at 1:30PM on 04/29/09
I really like "Phamished" too now! How about "Tales of a Phamished Foodie" ? Ugh. Maybe that doesn't sound right either...
radley24 at 1:53PM on 04/29/09
I like "the phamished" and orchid's idea of picking your favorites and coming up with something random.
i'm so glad to see other sticking up for this post. i should have yesterday.
_greenbean at 2:10PM on 04/29/09
I would like to clarify my comment so it is very plain. When your first post here is help me name my blog (as we have seen so many times before) it is usually someone trying to gain traffic. Although this is not my site, it is a site that is a business and often the majority of us like to get to know someone before they drag us someplace OFF here.
hppzz joined us yesterday, one post and only comment.
As I said I like to be courted a bit before I help you do your blog/baking/cooking etc. That is my opinion as you all have your own.
Now as far as selling/shilling blogs today sell lots of things. Including traffic and ads.
If I went to egullet or any other good foodie blog asking for help naming my new blog without ever posting before that day I would get edited out or flamed. That is fact. I did not ask for the post to be edited or flamed, I asked for the new person to get to know us. Doesn't seem way rude to me. If you think I am wrong then go to any foodie blog and give it a try.
I also agree with arm1970 if I were going to post about this topic it would be from a list of suggestions I was narrowing to a group I was familiar with. To look for intellectual property (the name of your blog) from people on a food blog you do not frequent is odd.
JerzeeTomato at 2:13PM on 04/29/09
Let the moderators make the rules on here. Seniority doesn't mean squat.
This is a public forum and people shouldn't be jumped on just because they start out with asking for blog names. Why does she have to "get to know us"?? Not everyone who visits this site sees it as their second home. It's a SITE on the INTERNET, not someones living room. Don't take it so seriously. Unless a new person is breaking some kind of rule or spamming then I think their question should be answered with respect. If it rubs you the wrong way, simply don't answer. No need to be rude.
caramel at 2:44PM on 04/29/09
Um, I just joined and I wanted to introduce myself before I was shanked and left for dead. Hi I'm, philadooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn but now I suffer in Philly, hence the name. and by the way:
Phamily Phoods: Pho to Popcorn or whatever was said earlier is a cool name man. Good luck!
philadooklyn at 3:26PM on 04/29/09
Welcome philadooklyn!! I'm finsbigfan and I am from the Tampa Bay area. Being from Florida (born and raised) I welcome everyone to come and join the family. Good and helpful food talk is usually what you will find here. Don't be discouraged just start talking and enjoy.
finsbigfan at 3:49PM on 04/29/09
How many comments are required, and what tone should they take, in order to be considered eligible to ask for help and advice? Can anyone start a conversation/post or do you have to be sponsored or "rushed" to get in? What are acceptable first posts?
This is getting ridiculous, and I am sorry that this is how hppzz was greeted...I would not blame them if they never dared speak up again!
Cary at 4:08PM on 04/29/09
agree with @cycorider -- maybe there should be some guidance for new people? of course the kona coffee and the obvious sales posts/comments are annoying and we treat them with disdain, but it doesn't seem fair that people who just come to serious eats for the first time with a real question should get caught in the crossfire.
megannesta at 4:34PM on 04/29/09
I am not one to gripe about people's comments - I figure "free speech and to each his own" - but when a couple replies seemed speak for all of us here at SE, that's when I spoke up and disagreed. "We like to get to know people before we offer advice." That isn't the case for me and I hope for a lot of us here...if that were true, I wouldn't respond to most posts, as I don't know everyone on here by far.
The OP wasn't trying to lure us off to another site - heck, they haven't even started the blog yet! The OP DID offer us titles they were throwing around and they just wanted input or better ideas.
So now we have to "court" each other before we talk and share ideas? Seems a little out there to me. How many comments does a person have to make before certain questions are allowed? Do we need a rule book?
radley24 at 5:43PM on 04/29/09
Yes--I agree, that was what I meant--comments and posts should speak for themselves, and while of course we all love to hear from the 'usual suspects' I have really enjoyed some topics posted by people with only limited posts. I know very little about Vietnamese food and was interested in the post because it is a cuisine I would like to learn more about. I also think the issue of naming food blogs (and restaurants and menu items) is interesting given that there are so many nowadays and it can be hard to make anything stand out.
HeartofGlass at 6:16PM on 04/29/09
I hope the serious eaters greet each and every new or old member of our community with a welcoming smile. That's one of the reasons I like our logo so much. So welcome, hppzz. I love the idea of naming someone's blog. I actually really like phamished.
Ed Levine at 6:21PM on 04/29/09
SE isn't an exclusive club. All are welcome, and should be made to feel welcome too.
How about "The Phamished Phoodie"?
NYCEater at 6:42PM on 04/29/09
This is a comments section. A comments section.
rrakes at 7:10PM on 04/29/09
@NYCEater - Phamised Phoodie...that's it!! Hppzz - You listening?? That's the one.
(Now, should we start negotiating on the finder's fee?) ; ))))
arm1970 at 8:46PM on 04/29/09
Good suggestions. I was a little put off by the OP, simply because I think it's a matter of integrity that one should name one's personal blog, well, personally. But that's just me.
On the subtopic, will we be notified when we've sufficiently kissed the appropriate rear ends to be granted permission to ask advice?
renzata at 9:36PM on 04/29/09
Phamished: Around the World with an Asian Twist.
Phamished Dishes: We got 'em. You make 'em.
Something about the Phamished thing seems to work!
Good luck, have fun and welcome to SE!
And Ed, thanks for your SE gavel to weigh in so nicely on the etiquette side of things here in Talk.
dhorst at 9:49PM on 04/29/09
maybe something using "phusion" too... but I don't know where to go with it.
NYCEater at 10:06PM on 04/29/09
I can agree and see the taboo here, If someone came into your restaurant and said "hey I want to open a restaurant" and started asking questions and polling your customers I could see the anger! Especially if they plan in operating in direct competition! But as was said, this is a public forum and all are entitled to their opinion, so those who have no issue please continue. And to the new entrepreneur I offer only the best of luck! its a tough world out there!
twoojoe at 11:46PM on 04/29/09
Oh and PS it also doesn't help its the one and only post hsppzz has ever made, so yeah I agree kinda of spammish.
twoojoe at 11:53PM on 04/29/09
Hi All,
Wow, I had no idea my post would generate this much discussion. Thanks to all for your supportive comments. True, it was only my first post, but definitely not the first time I've read the site (one of my friend contributes to SE as a columnist).
It was also true that that after the first exchange I didn't even want to follow up on this thread, but I knew better. Having read other threads before, the SE community is extremely creative and knowledgeable and that it would be a shame if I let the first exchange dissuade me from seeing other opinions in SE.
Like some of you have said, this is all about the sharing the love of food. I will chose my own blog name, but I see nothing wrong with asking for suggestions for and bouncing ideas from other foodlovers. It's not my goal to write a cookbook or get rich from this.
while making alot of mom's traditional home Vietnamese recipes will be a big part of it, I don't want to be pigeon holed into just Vietnamese cooking.
how about "Phamished Foodie: Ravenous adventures of a novice cook".
too wordy? what about
-"BitofThis&BitofThat" that's how my mom would describe her recipes to me as she did everything from memory and never wrote down recipes.
-Braised&Battered: Adventures of a novice cook.
Thanks again!!
hppzz at 12:04AM on 04/30/09
I'm glad my idea is going over well!
@hppzz
I think a lot of the ideas you have are good!
whatever you choose... keep in mind some things:
make it memorable
make it spellable
(example: what if people are trying to remember it as "a bit of this, a bit of that" instead of "bit of this and bit of that" It'll come up on a google search, but if they are typing it in as a URL, it might not work)
make it unique: a lot of people say "bit of this and bit of that" or some variation of it. Try a google search before settling on it. Make sure no one else is using if for something else.
good luck!
engmcmuffin at 9:30AM on 04/30/09
I think a FAQ or ettiquette section would be fantastic. I lurk in a lot of places, including for MONTHS here before I started posting. I would have been pretty p*ssed if someone responded to me in this way the first time I posted. If in fact asking for a blog name is considered gauche...then there has to be a gentler way of cautioning someone. There are differences between web communities and I for one would love to see some guidlines about what is and is not appropriate here instead of people getting slammed for crossing lines that appear to exist solely in the minds of the cool kids.I am not sure who made up the rules of 'seniority', but it's getting to be that the most innocent questions are being treated with derision and contempt.
I've got lots of ettiquette questions. For example: What's the policy on linking to recipes etc that exist on other sites? I've seen people apologize to Adam for that. What about schilling your own blog with a signature link every time you post? What about linking to your blog if it's relevant? What about re-posting a topic that has come up in the past? What about a tag for issues that are only tangentially food related but which might be more personal--I recall someone looking for strategies to take over food prep from an ailing and non food safety conscious elder relative. It was a great thread and I believe helpful to the poster. Or a 'silly stuff' category to keep the whiners from calling this place a waste of time when we chime in about childhood memories etc.
BananaMonkey at 10:14AM on 04/30/09
Oh, and hppzz--how about Phamished Phoodie--to draw out the pun? Actually that sounded a lot better in my head than it looks typed out. Might be difficult to search as well.
BananaMonkey at 10:15AM on 04/30/09
@BananaMonkey, I think the "rules" for this place are spelled out in the terms of service, and generally you're not supposed to post things of a commercial nature and it should be food related. And it shouldn't be nasty or offensive. Something like that, anyway.
Whether something is noncommercial and/or related enough to food can be in the eye of the beholder. The ones that are truly out of line usually get pulled pretty quickly by the staff.
Just because someone gets a negative response to a question, it doesn't mean that the question was out of line. It could simply be that someone misinterpreted the question or was in a particularly cranky mood that day.
Asking for help with a blog name is interesting, because sometimes that's just a cover for sending traffic to an existing blog, which might be interpreted as a commercial post. In this case, there is no existing blog, though.
As far as posting links, if it's part of a signature, it seems to be allowable. Or if it's in answer to a question, that's fine, too. Or if it's a news item/video/whatever that's fodder for discussion, that's fine too. But if someone posts, "I just found this wonderful thing on this website!!!" and posts a link, that's commericial. So links depend on the context.
dbcurrie at 3:40PM on 04/30/09
there's a negative response, then there's a clique-ish, seniority-based, who-do-think-you-are type response. the latter is what has occured and was totally uncalled for. and honestly, it's not the first time i've sensed this. people have probably already gotten to know you in more ways than you think.
_greenbean at 4:49PM on 04/30/09
I think Phamily Foods is cute. Good luck on your new blog.
chezpim at 7:35PM on 04/30/09
The problem I see (and it's just my eyes) with "Phamily" is that since it's not a real word, my internal spell-check wants to read it as "Pharmacy."
How about Pham-tastic Food?
@_greenbean, which "you" do you mean? The OP? Or if you were responding to the post just above your comment, that would be me, and I'm not sure what you found in that that was particularly offensive.
dbcurrie at 9:04PM on 04/30/09
db, i don't think greenbean was referring to you. i think greenbean was referring to the original response to the post. or perhaps also to people who share the same mindset as that contained in the initial response.
i love pham-tastic!
NYCEater at 10:06PM on 04/30/09
@BananaMonkey: There's been a call for a sort of n00b's guide or FAQ for a while now. I actually have to block out some time to draft one to help avoid situations like this. Thanks for listing some of the questions you'd like to see answered. I've had some of those rattling around in my head, but others I didn't think of.
@hppzz: Welcome to Serious Eats—or to posting on it at least. The community is usually much more welcoming than this. Hope this thread doesn't deter you from posting again!
Adam Kuban at 9:14AM on 05/02/09
@hppzz... For what it is worth, I'm with Ed on "Phamished" one word, short and sweet, with the benefit of being easy to remember.
As far as the other hubub is concerned Hong, don't be offended. The people here are great (with me being the greatest of course) and usually pretty friendly. Feel free to post early and often, as your comments and topics are always welcome!
Pavlov at 9:56AM on 05/02/09
Pho Shizzle?
divinebovine at 10:10AM on 05/02/09
@bananamonkey...I, too, hung out in the shadows of this site that I found last summer. I just contributed in March and was very timid about it. I enjoy gleaning and sharing and I think we might remember "The Golden Rule" before we type (my mom was a congregational Baptist-sorry). Welcome, @hppzz, good luck and maybe you will share more about yourself and your cooking here as well as your blog.
janaatwg at 1:41PM on 05/02/09
OK, now I'm nervous. First time poster, and not because I'm shy, but because I haven't had anything to say. I read lots of blogs/food sites, but hadn't realized, except for the no spamming, no commercial posting, that there was etiquette, except general politeness. If this is a community, shouldn't we be more welcoming?
kumasi46 at 2:53PM on 05/02/09
@kumasi46 - Absolutely. So welcome to SE and so sorry that your first post had to be about common sense politeness we all should have learned long ago. I am here to learn from and share with everyone, regardless if you have been posting for years, or if it is your first post! No on has to court me or comment a certain number of times before I will answer a topic question of theirs. Each and every one of us has something to bring to SE - that's what is so great about this community. So, there's no need to be nervous, with at least most of us here I think. Please, share away.
radley24 at 9:22AM on 05/03/09
You could also go "Green Eggs and Pham." I'm feeling the Dr. Seuss vibe this morning.
appoggiatura at 10:09AM on 05/04/09
"I'm Phamished"
sjz at 1:36PM on 05/04/09
You go girl! (I think your a girl...) Can't wait to see the site and read some of your moms recipes. As far as names are concerned, isn't it a good idea to also have in the title the type of food? So when people google VN food your site will pop up? My only experience is with my dogs web site and I made sure to put in her breed name in the title so everytime the breed name pops up so does her site. Could be different with food blogs, don't anyone bite my head off...
I've been reading this site for a while now and this is the first time I have seen a "Keeper of the Rules" pop up. Seems to me there are lots of us out here that don't have that specific rule book. I look forward to seeing your site and I hope you will post a link on here when it's up and running. Good luck!
Aunty m at 3:03PM on 05/04/09
I love the idea "Phamished", simple, easy to remember, to the point, not at all boring. BTW, I'm new too, cooking at ya from Portland Oregon, for what's it's worth, I didn't take your post as a pitch, but we left coasters tend to be rather laid back not to mention thrilled to be asked for our opinion on anything. Sounds like a fun read... keep me in the loop when you start it I am always looking for new food ideas in the kitchen, (but do so off this board apparently).
dejablu503 at 3:12PM on 05/04/09
My goodness, what an insensitive, nasty and totally unnessessary way to be ushered into the "topics" area of SE or SE in general. Glad you stuck around! As you can see, not everyone is so anal. (oops, that might get ME censured!) As to your blog name question/request, how about "Pho Phusion"? "Phee, Phi, Pho, Pham"? That last one might be a bit hard to remember but phun nonetheless. Hmm..."Pho Phun"? Anyway, good luck and hope to hear from you again.
EWhiskers at 8:22PM on 05/04/09
Thank you all for your suggestions! I decided using the synonym of famished and came up with (Ravenous Couple: Cooking up Life) to include my sig other as she will be posting too...I just made my first post on Com Tam Suon Bi Cha (Vietnamese Broken Rice with Pork Chops). Don't want to be accused of flagrantly pimping my blog, but for those interested in this classic Vietnamese dish, the link to the blog is in my profile.
hppzz at 2:31PM on 05/05/09
The Electric Strawberry!
old chef at 3:07PM on 05/05/09
How about naming your blog: "Phamtastic cooking"
Eydiee at 3:48PM on 05/05/09
Oh...just realized you already named it. Good luck!
Eydiee at 3:51PM on 05/05/09