Can I get sick from raw eggs in Pasta Carbonara?
Serious eaters, I need your help. Last night I made the Joy of Cooking's recipe for pasta carbonara, which called for 4 large eggs, that are basically just mixed with pecorino, doused with a third of a cup of boiling water, and then added to steaming pasta. No serious heating involved, like witha a pan or a pot. Are there any health risks from eating what is essentially these raw eggs, or does the heat from the other ingredients make it okay? Any knowledge on the subject?
Thanks!
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23 Comments:
The boiling water and heat from the just cooked pasta will produce enough heat to cook the eggs. They won't be raw. If you cook Carbonara with high heat you'll end up with scrambled eggs and pasta. Take it from a gal whose made that mistake, it's no good :)
Martini Me at 3:33PM on 04/17/09
you can get sick from commercial peanut butter, jack-in-the-box hamburgers and packaged spinach.
it's possible to get sick from any food product, including carbonara. but are the chances high? not really. if we really worried about all the ways we could get sick we wouldn't be able to eat anything. enjoy the pasta and don't worry!
dmarina at 3:42PM on 04/17/09
Keep in mind that even if your eggs are undercooked, there is an excellent chance they are contamination free. Not all chickens have salmonella, and the ones who do don't always pass it on to their eggs. It is, of course, possible to get salmonella from carbonara, but if you are healthy it shouldn't be a huge concern.
ProfessorChaos at 3:48PM on 04/17/09
As a carbonara afficionado, I've studied (prepared) this dish a grillion times, and no one has ever gotten sick from egg rawness. I don't have a food blog, but I've done a few posts on my favorite foods, and this is what I say about the eggs-rawness questions:
"The egg will cook, I promise. The water is boiling at 200+ degrees, and the pasta is well above 160 degrees (the federally recommended temperature for cooking "egg dishes"). You're taking a single yolk, breaking it up, and mixing it with boiling water and strands of piping hot noodles, it's going to cook! Also, this is why you use tongs to take the spaghetti out of the water - so you reserve some of that delicious boiling water."
http://bridgegirdermetronome.blogspot.com/2008/09/stories-are-all-true.html
In theory, you could wait so long after draining the pasta that it simply doesn't cook the egg at all, but I just don't buy it.
Jamie Oliver makes "zucchini carbonara" by mixing cooked pasta into the saute pan and waiting for the sizzle to quiet down, then he adds the egg mixture. Not a bad trick, but I've always found that the saute pan is too hot and will scramble the eggs.
I could talk about carbonara all day. I wish that were my job.
z911empire at 3:50PM on 04/17/09
I agree with what has all been said. There's always a slight chance or getting sick, but that comes along with anything you're eating. It certainly isn't enough to stop me from making carbonara, eating sashimi, or adding a fabulous fried egg, complete with runny yolk, to whatever I'm eating.
meleyna at 4:22PM on 04/17/09
If you are worried about it, do what I do. Any preperation that calls for raw or even slightly undercooked eggs, I use pasterized. They are pricier, but if your imune system is already working over time, or your just concerned, they are well worth the piece of mind.
huneybumper at 9:28PM on 04/17/09
grow up! anything and everything has the potential of making you sick. Just get over this silly fear that you live with and eat. you are letting the maddness of our food and drug admin get the best of you. You my friend will miss many of the great things to eat if you live your life this way. so I finish with another GROW UP!
PAN SEARED at 10:14PM on 04/17/09
You can definitely get sick from raw or undercooked eggs. This is why you see disclaimers on any menu that offers carbonara or tiramisu or anything else where the eggs are not cooked.
Your own personal tolerance is another story. If you can handle a few bites of carbonara without any ill effects, you can probably do an order of it. However, if you have a compromised immune system or a chronic digestive condition, I'd pass on carbonara and dishes of its ilk.
therealchiffonade at 10:21PM on 04/17/09
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... raw eggs never killed Rocky!
Pavlov at 7:13AM on 04/18/09
My mother and I split a Caesar salad in a restaurant and ended up in the emergency room a few days later from salmonella (we were tested and it was confirmed). We were both seriously dehydrated and needed shots to help with the other symptoms. I was out sick from work for almost two weeks and my mother for almost three. One of the doctors who treated me told me he sees enough cases of salmonella to convince him to never eat anything prepared with raw eggs.
Since then, not only do I never mess with anything resembling a raw egg, even though I used to adore carbonara (as well as tiramasu, Caesar salads) and would cook and eat it frequently, and I advise anyone to stay away from anything that might possibly be prepared with raw eggs as well.
MMinNYC at 12:07PM on 04/18/09
@ PAN SEARED. lol. you said what i didn't have the balls to!
@MMinNYC, the most common causes of salmonella are not the use of raw eggs/foods/etc, but cross-contamination & lack of handwashing.
dmarina at 1:28PM on 04/18/09
I'm in the "you can get sick from anything" camp. You can choose to live in a bubble, or you can choose to take reasonable risks, or you can choose to jump out of airplanes.
You can also get killed by a piece of falling sky debris while sitting in your bubble.
When I was growing up, every kid looked forward to scraping out the mixing bowl after mom made cake batter. Which had raw eggs. Sunnyside-up eggs were common.
I read somewhere (sorry, no idea where) that the chance of salmonella on the outside of an egg is 1 in 80,000. Inside, there's less chance. You'd have to eat a lot of raw eggs before you won that lottery.
Cross-contamination is a real thing, and so is common sense. You don't want to be stupid about food prep.
If your immune system is weak or you're a little skittish about raw eggs, or if you're serving other people who might have issues, buy pasturized eggs.
dbcurrie at 1:52PM on 04/18/09
@Pan Seared--LOL! I couldn't have said it better.
I will add that you have a much lower chance of getting sick from something you've prepared yourself than from something someone else, who may or may not have washed their hands after using the bathroom, has prepared.
buffy at 2:00PM on 04/18/09
My husband is immunosuppressed and we had to modify our carbonara per doctors orders. We use the egg beaters w/ yolk as it is out of shell and is pasteurized. It is a slightly less creamy effect but is definitely worthwhile if you are compromised.
All that said, unless you do have a weakened immune system I think you would be alright as we made it many many times before he was ordered not to when he was transplanted.
katarina_santiago at 5:10PM on 04/18/09
I'm amazed at how many people on here seem to feel its ok to chastise others. I thought this was an open discussion forum and not a place to come and be attacked because you may be concerned about a health issue.
huneybumper at 6:25PM on 04/18/09
@huneybumber: open discussions contain opinions and facts and yes sometimes one may feel attacked but thats a part of all this love baby! If we all just sat around and thought up silly ways to transform classic dishes into plastic molds we would not have a very interesting blog now...would we? Whats the weather like inside that bubble?
PAN SEARED at 10:29PM on 04/18/09
@Pan Seared I agree opinions are a wonderful thing, feel free to finish the quote for yourself. Maybe you need to come out of your bubble and learn that your personal concerns aren't the same for everyone.
huneybumper at 8:50AM on 04/19/09
@huney, I hope you didn't see my answer as being chastising. I don't equate asking a question about safety (which is what the OP did) to living in a bubble. The people living in a bubble are the ones who will never eat any nut products ever again because of the recent recalls.
Reasonable people will take reasonable precautions, and what's reasonable for one person may be extreme for another. The "jumping out of airplanes" people are the ones who eat fugu. Which is fine, if they have the proper parachute.
Actually, I don't think any of the choices are wrong. They're just personal choices. If someone wants to be super-diligent about what they eat, it's not my concern. But no one's going to live forever, no matter how careful.
The amount of risk that's reasonable to take in order to enjoy a particular food is a personal one, and everyone draws a line somewhere. Just look at topics where someone mentions that they've had something in the fridge for a while and half the responses will be to eat it and the other half will be that it should be thrown out, now, or risk horrible consequences.
Honestly, I am more squeamish about raw eggs now than I used to be, even though I know that the statistics show that eggs are relatively safe. But the hype and the chatter about the dangers of raw eggs have seeped into my brain.
However, raw cake batter and cookie dough, in my mind, are still perfectly safe. I never think twice about sneaking a taste.
dbcurrie at 1:30PM on 04/19/09
@dbcurrie, I dont see your comments or others as being chastising, I do find the comment to "grow up" to be a very offensive answer to someone who asks a legitimate question.
huneybumper at 1:55PM on 04/19/09
@huney. Okay, then. I don't always know if something I've written has come across the way I want it to.
dbcurrie at 2:44PM on 04/19/09
@huney GROW UP!!!!
PAN SEARED at 12:29AM on 04/22/09
I'm with Huney on this one, I don't see why asking this question implies the person needs to "grow up". This isn't a forum to ridicule others. Is it?
gourmetgal at 1:24AM on 04/22/09
I keep coming back to this blog because I need to understand why everyone is so damn concerned with foods that have been consumed in their most raw state for all of our human history. Get past it!!! We are such a nation of wimps at this point...and this attitude toward food is positivly boring...and you are a boring person! Say "lets go to thailand" ...what the hell are you going to eat if you cant even fathom a boring carbonara or caesar salad. GO HOME!
PAN SEARED at 11:44PM on 04/24/09