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Cooking shows

OK....Here's an idea.....what if the TV powers to be (PBS , Food Network, Travel Channel, Fine Living Network-I don't really care) re-ran the old shows from Julia Child, Jeff Smith, Justin Wilson, Marcia Adams, Graham Kerr, Earl Peyroux, Joyce Chen, Madeleine Kamman, Natalie Dupree, the Romagnoli's, Marcel Desaulnieres, Biba Caggiano, Nick Stellino, Mollie Katzen, the 'Great Chef's series', Anne Willan (cooking from LaVarenne) et al.......if for no other reason other than the newbie generation of foodies can experience the kind of cooking shows that paved the way for this current wave of cooking shows? My daughter (in her 30's) has no idea of what a cooking show on TV is other than the crap we see on these reality shows and 'most' Food Network shows.....did I just have an epiphany or will be I be flamed?

You know what? I'm tired as hell as of the new "cooking shows" and I'm not going to take it anymore. I have a remote control. And I can read books

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Two of Julia's shows are currently running on my local PBS station, and Nick Stellino used to be. Paul Prudhomme also was on for a while recently. Now there's some Italian woman whose name escapes me.

I think it may be a matter of who has the rights to these shows. No way are the PBS stations going to loosen their grip on some of the classics that they own. And that's assuming that they still have the old tapes. From what I've heard about other old shows, in some cases the stations didn't realize the value of keeping the shows, and they trashed them. So it may be that some of the old shows are gone forever.

It would be great if someone gathered all the old cooking shows up and ran them. Sort of like a TVland for cooking. But I don't imagine it's going to happen any time soon.

This would be a wonderful thing. Think about it, AMC runs classic movies. Fox has reruns from years ago. FN or PBS should belly up and do the same thing.

If nothing else at least a special documentary on 'the History of Cooking Shows'. And then stretch it out to include a DVD Collection for $29.95 and if you order in the next 30 minutes they can throw in a set of Rachael Ray knives! :0) It would go along with my 'unseen footage' of WWII films. Or Seinfelds complete collection.

In all seriousness - there is some history here and I agree with you it needs to be presented to the public. Would make a nice thesis project for a college student.

Thx

Yes, you just had an epiphany. No, you are not the first person to suggest this.

When TVFN first began in the 90's, they did run Julia's old shows - and one with James Beard! (The microphones were heavy, around the neck jobs.) This is culinary media history - and TVFN couldn't care less.

The basic problem is two-fold.

Problem a) TVFN needs to make big money to stay in business. In order to do this, its original core audience (serious cooks = us) apparently doesn't spend enough money on food and/or cooking gadgets, so TVFN attempts (and fails) to be all things to all people. Early TVFN shows included NO cake mix or taco packet seasoning but the network now embraces this fake food and the talking heads who hawk it. So, with this new garbage programming and its predictable bulk audience, TVFN stays healthy enough to keep broadcasting.

Problem b) Core audience bails costing TVFN a chunk of their viewership and they're back to square 1.

Serious cooks starved for quality food programming tune in to PBS for America's Test Kitchen, Everyday Food, and only watch TVFN for the very few worthwhile shows that remain like Barefoot Contessa and Ace of Cakes.

Get your kid to watch PBS. And you keep teaching - it eventually sinks in. :D

The PBS station in my area shows Nick Stellino and Julia Child. Sundays at 2:30...NJ area.

I love watching PBS - I get to see Cook's Country, Hubert Keller, Lidia, Jacques Pepin, Joanne Weir, all the greats.

About 6 years ago Food Network was running "Galloping Gourmet" at 6:30 a.m. on Saturday mornings. I woke my kids up one time to watch, and it was the episode where the saucepan lid stuck, boiled too hot with no one realizing it ... and the lid suddenly exploded with a loud BANG and flew right up into the light grid. The kids, however, were like, "Who is this guy, dad, and ... why'd you wake us up for this stuff anyway??" ;-)

@dbcurrie... I love the idea of TVLand for Cooking.

The format could be old cooking shows during the day and late night with a "new lineup" for primetime. Shows that are foodie approved and not of the variety you see on TVFN.

Those of you who have Julia on around you are so lucky! I have only seen a few excerpts on my PBS station, over the past few years.

I don't see why PBS doesn't do Julia every now and then, or Julia marathons. The new stuff is great, but there is only one Julia--just watching her makes me smile.

For that matter, why don't they show her on non-food TV, on TVLand itself?

I have never seen a Julia episode, and I would absolutely love to be able to watch them. As some may know, I am relatively new to this whole 'cooking' thing, and FN definitely served a useful purpose in getting me into the art. When I was growing up, my mom and dad were very good about always having a hot meal on the table for dinner (and breakfast, actually - I was very lucky). However, cooking was not an art that was praticed/passed down in their kitchen. It was a matter of 'hurry and get it on the table so we can have time to sit down together before rushing off to school/soccer/choir/ballet.' So I never really learned cooking techniques, etc. Somehow I got into the programs on FN and learned that 'Hey, this is relatively simple. I could probably do that.' The programs they show, I assume, are targeted to people like I was at that phase - how do I do this simply and efficiently? Therefore, cake mixes and taco seasoning packets didn't seem bad - they were useful in getting me to explore how my oven and stove worked.
As I progressed with my on-the-fly 'culinary education,' I started thinking maybe cooking really isn't all that simple, if you want it to be consistenly good, anyway. And that's okay. In fact, I kind of like that cooking isn't that simple. It shouldn't be a process of grabbing everything out of the cabinet and fridge in one fell swoop, balancing it all on a sheet tray, and flinging together in 30 minutes or less, finishing it off with a carton of whipped topping. At least not all of the time. I believe there should be more thought, care and attention to cooking. I'm sure once I get more of the hang of it, I will be able to complete it a little more efficiently and simply, but I still need to get my basics up a little bit higher before that happens.
The point of this ramble, I suppose, is that I believe FN serves a purpose for people who are/were like me - very much beginners who for some reason, want to know more. I think my progressive desire to learn more about how ingredients come together means that I am not really in the target demographic anymore, and would really appreciate an outlet for more invested cooking shows.

Where's the petition? ;)

This is a wonderful idea, and starting from when I was very little, I used to beg my mother to make some of the recipes I saw on Julia's original PBS show - my mother was very unenthusiastic about cooking, to put it mildly. Julia opened a whole new world for me of dishes I never heard of; between her and Craig Claiborne (I read his column from the time I had to subscribe to, and report on, the NY Times every day in school).

I also wish The Food Network would also run shows from their own oldie but goodie chefs that were phased out for younger, hipper ones - like Sara Moulton, Michelle Urvater, Wayne Harley Brachman (and the others on the "Melting Pot" ethnic cooking show they used to run), etc.

I grew up watching Julia Child! Martin Yan was my favorite to watch though. I would be all for seeing reruns since there's always stuff to learn. I watch Made in Spain and learn all sorts of new things (and I grew up on Spanish cuisine).

I LOVE, LOVE this idea. I grew up on those shows and miss them so. I hope your wish comes true :-)

-Dawn

Within 3 years, you will rarely watch programming at a scheduled time on television that is not a live event. DVR and web broadcasting, such as Hulu, are already eliminating the need for this, and I would suggest web broadcasting will render the DVR obsolete shortly.

PBS (Made in Spain) and FN (16 shows) already uses Hulu for content distribution. It's a matter of time before all those shows are available for immediate viewing, most primetime shows are available within hours of the original broadcast time, free with short 15 second commercials. It's better than cable, some shows, such as Three Sheets, are available on Hulu for free but only available on premium Time Warner Cable in NYC.

May be a worthwhile exercise to request more content from these partners.

She's just so clear in the way she explains things, as well as hilariously charming, funny, and passionate about food:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQD3aSZ9R4

I used to looove watching the "Great Chefs" series after school. Such incredible food, made to look so effortless in the hands of real professional chefs (faces only minimally seen on screen).

FWIW, you can buy some of the old French Chef episodes on DVD at PBS.org. See here. PBS also sells some Jaques Pepin, Joanne Weir, ATK, and Anthony Bourdain titles.

@Heartof Glass...thank you for that JC video. I watched the entire thing and had a lump in my throat when it was over. She was something else. There will never be another Julia. I'm on my way over to Ebay to see if I can pick up a bargain on a used set of her shows (and maybe even Great Chefs if it exists). Thanks for the inspiration!

@kathyvegas--that's a great idea--I will also check my local library. Every time I see her again, I'm always amazed at her skills as an entertainer and a teacher. And watching JC, you can't help but feel good afterward!

@Heartof Glass.....and that brings me to the point I was trying make when I started this thread. I doubt anyone feels good or actually learns anything after watching foul mouthed people on those reality cooking shows. I'm sure Julia would be horrified and I certainly wouldn't want young children to think you have to have a potty mouth, questionable grooming habits and chain smoke to be a good cook. They certainly don't portray the noble side of cooking like the pioneers of TV cooking shows did.

i really would like for the old cooking shows to come back. Like all the above mentioned. Even the Frugel Gourmet would be a fun one. Some of the newer crap that is on right now is not worth a second of my time.

I remember when I was in high school and I would get up at 4:30 in the morning to watch Galloping Gourmet reruns. I loved being up early anyway, because I felt like the whole world was my own before my parents woke up, but I loved the Graham Kerr stuff. He was great, and I wish I had a video library of all of his shows just to enjoy. I wish Food Network would do a kind of "Food Classics" series and replay all these great old shows.

@Heart, I spent all night watching utubes of Julia and the frug and even Justin Wilson. I couldnt help myself. I laughed like crazy and even cried a bit. It was like seeing old childhood friends. Thanks for posting that!

DVR + PBS = great television!

I used to get the biggest kick out of Pasquale. Does anyone remember him? He used to sing and cook, and put wine in his coffee. I think he was on Discovery Channel in the early 90's. He was on along with the "Great Chefs" series, which I loved. Martin Yan was a hoot! "Loook at dees, mmmmmmmm, loook at dees!"

@soozm32 -- wasn't he the one who ended every show making a salad which every show was half a head of iceburg, a couple veggies, and a vinagrette?

I think so. He also liked to create desserts from store bought cookies, some kind of sweet caramel or chocolate sauce and whatever else he had to dress it up. His pasta always looked good, though.
He would chop veggies really fast, and once in a while he'd use his giant chef's knife to slowly slice something "like grandma".

"If Yan can cook so can you!"

Also the Frugal Gourmet.

And if we can get some Bob Ross shows where he paints food that would be good too.

I wonder if the folks at TVLand haven't thought to include some culinary programming in their lineup.

@kathyvegas - When I read your comment referring to "foul-mouthed," I immediately shuddered as that conjured up an image of Paula Deen making VERY obvious innuendos to anyone who crosses her path. I realize you were specifically referring to those network elimination shows, but I the reference fits in other ways, too!

I lost what little respect I had for the FN crowd when they started hawking chains, like Applebees. Luckily I found that Biba chick's show, that lady is wonderful.

I'd watch The Frugal Gourmet, Great Chefs and Julia any day any time. I wonder if the brain trust and Food Network scans this blog, maybe something will sink in. How many times can people complain before they respond? Gimme that petition, I will sign!

It warms me to know that I had the pleasure of watching all the early cooking shows. I'd skip school to watch Julia and always stuck around to watch the Galloping Gourmet and his "short slurps". I do feel sorry for the generations that follow and must make do with FN's current sorry lot.

It's sad because FoodNetwork seemed like a dream come true...

A couple of ideas... As I was reading this, I used the search function on my cable guide and found several Julia Child and Jaques Pepin shows on the PBS channels. DVR'd!

I also searched by Theme > Lifestyle > Cooking and found shows on Jose Andres and Baking With Julia that are on today, there were 700+ found.

It would be wonderful to have the old stuff available, I grew up on PBS cooking shows.

The galloping gourmet Graham Kerr!! Yay!

Also I remember being a teenager possible under the influence, placidly enjoying Great Chefs of the World on Discovery channel.. it was either discovery or travel. Great show. That ladies voice was rad.

Justin Wilson was also pretty entertaining, that guy LOVED to shove things in a bag. and use tiny knives and cutting boards.

Galloping Gourmet, Biba, Lidia, and Hubert Keller! OMG - a veritable culinary who's who!! Those are all great shows.

I have a book from the old Great Chefs of the West series and I have made so many recipes from it, I've lost count. Recently BF saw a show on PBS called This Is Atlanta Cooking - it was EXACTLY like GCOTW! A chef, in her restaurant kitchen, cooking away - with an occasional voice over. I was thrilled. A place called Ria's Bluebird Diner was featured. The chef made a pot roast breakfast served in a soup bowl with broth and 2 poached eggs. It was served with a big hunk of baguette. We went there the next day. It was out of this world and I even got to shake the chef's hand. When I told her we saw the show, another patron sitting nearby joined the conversation and said he saw the show too.

I was one of those people who as a kid scanned my seven channels in search of that overhead shot of a pot being stirred. I loved TVFN so much when it first aired. It's deteriorated into such a disappointment so much as to be a non-entity.

You can go here for a searchable Julia Child database.

http://www.pbs.org/juliachild/video.html

Hi there - all the listed chefs are from public television... you can find them all on Create TV... Julia Child's series "Baking with Julia" is also on this channel. www.createtv.com

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