Cannibalism
So, I've been trying to think of a way to write this post without sounding like a total freak ...
Last night I was watching an older episode of Bourdain's show, No Reservations. He was in French Polynesia and cannibalism was discussed at lengh because apparently many missionaries ended up in the stew pots of locals.
I've noticed that there are many adventurous eaters on this site, much more adventurous than me. I've been trying to think of a way to phrase this question. I didn't want to go with, "Would you eat a fellow human?" because I couldn't think of a situation in which it would be alright. But say scientists or chefs or who ever found a way to exactly replicate the taste of human flesh in mystery meat form. Say it looked like Spam, right? Would you .... could you ... try it?
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In the event of war or famine I will dispatch my drunken next door neighbors the Drunkie McDrunk-Drunks on the cannibal culinary menu. They have been marinating for years. They should last a good month. They are almost veal by now. I would serve them with mashed and maybe a root veggie.
JerzeeTomato at 8:37PM on 03/03/09
I've heard of some cultures eating the placenta after childbirth. There's also a rumor that red bull used to contain human placenta in Asia where it originated.
ag3208 at 8:37PM on 03/03/09
Yep.
I saw that episode recently too.
I am not an adventurous eater when it comes to meat, in fact I am now a semi-veggie. Some animals I think we just don't have to be eating simply because they are technically edible, and some because I have issues with the farming and slaughter. I would however, eat a human with no issue.
Naturally I don't mean just gnaw someone like a zombie, or kids etc...
But if folks volunteered, or left donation instructions in the case of premature death, heck yeah.
I really like Jerzee's take, and I have a list of folks who I would gladly eat that fit in a similar category. I am not even sure I would need war or famine, just legality. Somehow I doubt we taste very good in general though......
sadiepix at 8:47PM on 03/03/09
I'm not a fan of mystery meats. I even have issues with sausage and ground beef, so fuman (fake human) would not be my dinner of choice.
beth1 at 9:11PM on 03/03/09
@beth1 ~ no fuman chew?
PerkyMac at 9:17PM on 03/03/09
There's a short story (somewhere .. I read it for class, I think, years ago) where a doctor is stuck on a deserted island with a ridiculous stash of heroin, and ends up cannabalising himself after he breaks an ankle and needs to amputate it (or something ridiculous like that. Now that I think about it, I think it's a Stephen King story). It's always made me wonder what lengths I'd go to to avoid death. But to answer your question, I don't know. I don't think I could bring myself to eat an actual human being under any circumstances, and eating "fuman" (Perky, you're hilarious) just seems like it would be a waste of time.
kfarrel3 at 9:27PM on 03/03/09
@jerzee, girl you made me howl!!! i know the type of neighbors you mean, don't throw a match to close to them, either. they just might go up in flames. i bet their recycle bin is usually pretty full!!
well, i believe that our natural instincts take over -- and maybe your instinct is to run the other way at the thought of eating another human -- or maybe it's -- throw another finger on the barbie!
nothing in life surprises me anymore.
pooch at 10:42PM on 03/03/09
Under what circumstances? If I were in a restaurant, and Barbara on the Barbie, Deep-Fried Dan, Sauteed Sally, and Jerry Jerky were on the menu, no...I don't think I could. I have no problem eating most meats (I say most because I don't think I could eat a dog either), and I realize that humans are just another animal, but I still couldn't do it. However, if it's a matter of survival...yeah, I'd go Donner party on the people who died before me. I'd just hope that human doesn't taste good, because I wouldn't want to crave it again later on. Could you imagine going through life knowing that your friends tasted like Filet Mignon? That'd be terrible!
cycorider at 1:21AM on 03/04/09
No - wouldn't eat my neighbors, their dog, cats or gold fish. If I had to sustain myself, I'd probably end up eating tree bark and grass until I just dissolved away!
Think about it - all the hair dye, cologne, lotions, soaps, cheap medications, etc.etc. that we as humans absorb compounded with all the crap that a lot of people insist on eating - putting aside all the humanitarian issues, I think we're all walking chemical waste dumps.
Why would I want to ingest that - then again we probably do anyway through the food supply!
Interesting post, causing my brain to explode. So I'm going to stop writing now!
Ribster at 4:04AM on 03/04/09
@cycorider apparently it tastes good: http://bit.ly/11Zf8
scary, isn't it?
natamari at 4:15AM on 03/04/09
I'm thinking that if I did...... I'd want to make sure and eat someone local natural and probably a vegetarian...and.. mmm...mmm...mmm...toasty!
Pavlov at 5:21AM on 03/04/09
@Pav oh I so agree range free vegans. The question is would they be better for you or is human the other, other, other white meat?
JerzeeTomato at 7:13AM on 03/04/09
I'd eat a human (at least some) long before it ever occured to me to eat a dog or even a cat. As far as us being chemical waste dumps, Thats me and i'm bitter and stringy too ;-)
huneybumper at 7:55AM on 03/04/09
animal rights activists in general should be tasty, natural diet, free range, and it would be there duty to protect the innocent animals from slaughter, sort of a Shmoo like creature. But the problem would be they are generally not well fed and marbled, and Pamela Andersons Silicone could be harmful if eaten.
Meat guy at 8:53AM on 03/04/09
@PumpkinBear: This is an interesting variation on the "Would You Eat . . . People?" topic that FastFoodCritic posted a while back. And, really, if Bourdain and others are wondering about cannibalism, you can't be too much of a freak.
If human-flavored Spam existed and I had the opportunity to sample it, would I try it? No. Call me incurious, or weak, but my disgust alarm goes off at the idea of eating human. I couldn't get it near my lips. Of course, I have no idea what I'd do if I were in a situation like the Donner Party. There is no frame of reference, as I've never been close to starving.
This question makes me think of The Road, Cormac McCarthy's book. Did anybody read that? Cannibalism figures readily in the plot.
Susquehanna at 9:23AM on 03/04/09
http://www.seriouseats.com/talk/2008/05/would-you-eatpeople.html
Susquehanna at 9:28AM on 03/04/09
Once at a dinner party my parents and some of their friends put together to welcome a job candidate, one rather abrasive fellow asked the already freaked out candidate, "Of all the people in our department, whom would you eat first?" Poor guy just froze. Didn't get the job, for reasons I hope were unrelated!
annatr at 9:58AM on 03/04/09
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hufu
Lorenzo at 10:36AM on 03/04/09
@Jerzee ~ I love how your mind works. Drunks already marinated. Priceless!
PerkyMac at 10:59AM on 03/04/09
Well, in Hawaii were were called long pig and cooked with pineapple juice and supposedly quite tasty and very similar to pork. If it were eat or starve, I'd certainly eat another person, ideally someone pre-marinated like @jerzee's neighbors. Would I eat a fake food product that tasted just like us? I don't know. I mean, how would I know it actually did taste like us? Maybe I'd be better (??) off just eating the aforementioned pork/pineapple?
chisai at 12:54PM on 03/04/09
Please include fava beans and a nice chianti.
dmcavanagh at 1:57PM on 03/04/09
All kidding, glibness and hardass-ery aside, there are so many factors that could make eating another human really problematic. And not just in terms of the unwholesomeness of the flesh (i.e. chemicals, disease). What if it was only your deceased mother or father on the menu? Or a sibling or a small child?
Would you eat a baby?
I've got a bright-line rule for that one: Fuck, no.
Susquehanna at 1:59PM on 03/04/09
@susquehanna, this is a question addressed by Michael Ian Black in the very awesome McSweeney's.
I do love so love him.
chisai at 2:06PM on 03/04/09
No.
But Swift's essay, A Modest Proposal, which suggests farming and harvesting babies as a means to overcome poverty in 18th century Ireland remains one of my very favorite pieces of writing.
BobbieAnne at 2:09PM on 03/04/09
@BobbieAnne: I'd like to read Swift's essay again. Thanks for reminding me of it.
@chisai: Oh! Michael Ian Black from VH1. Seriously, I was not cool enough in 2003 for McSweeney's . . . nor am I cool enough today. I am a big steaming pile of lame.
Susquehanna at 2:27PM on 03/04/09
The Swift essay made me think of the Neil Gaiman short story too-
Humans eating up all the animals just because they could.
Animals disappear.
Humans (gluttons that we are) start in on babies.
Babies all disappear.
We are left blinking at each other with hunger...
I loved re-reading that old thread. Hilarious.
sadiepix at 2:29PM on 03/04/09
Don't think of it so much as a fellow human think more along the lines of "long pig". Mmmm, long pig!
Pointy at 2:39PM on 03/04/09
@ ag3208, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/10/17/
shoneyjoe at 2:48PM on 03/04/09
my parents were refugees, and while they've never had human meat, there are accounts of starving people on boats who ate, well the remains of someone who had died. it was basically about survival.
as to your question if i would ever try human meat, out of curiosty, no. to survive, well currently i have the luxury of saying no, but you never know until you're thrust into that situation.
savuryandsweet at 3:01PM on 03/04/09
If my plane crashed in the Andes? I'd probably eat my fellow passengers before the little packets of pretzels and peanuts ran out.
In other words: Yeah, why not try it?
Tokyorosa at 3:07PM on 03/04/09
No. I would not eat a fellow human. But, I wouldn't judge anyone who did. To each his own. I mean, I guess i would if it was that or die. But, not just for fun. I try to go veggie for the most part, so maybe that is why is it so gross to me.
The chickens who live at my son's school (it's a ranch) eat chicken nuggets every Friday when the kids drop them on the ground. My son thinks it's the greatest thing ever. But then, I'm not sure those spongy frozen things really have chicken in them.
reason143 at 3:19PM on 03/04/09
i figure if you want a first hand account of what human tastes like, just ask Mike Tyson. he has gnawed on an ear or two in his lifetime.
dozertx at 3:33PM on 03/04/09
there are more bugs than people, if we're discussing survival. and I'm geeked out by the thought. I don't think I could eat horse, and I am still working on rabbit, so I gotta say human is off. and fuman (very very funny!) - if we taste like chicken, why not just eat chicken?
csbrown at 4:12PM on 03/04/09
As a child, my mother used to talk about articles on how humans tasted and smelled when cooked. I wish I could remember what was said, as I was too young. I know she's tried cat out of curiosity (ha..), which I haven't yet. That's probably why I don't feel too strongly either way about trying new foods.
The argument whether one would eat their mother/father/friend doesn't apply. I have a dog, would try dog, but not my dog. I'm sure people who have cows/pigs as pets, but wouldn't eat Chuck/Tonkatsu unless they had to (broken legs, etc.).
I'm sure babies would be too much trouble, but I would imagine what little meat they have is at least tender and not as sinewy.
Cassaendra at 4:12PM on 03/04/09
@sadiepix - Babycakes! Yes, that's a good one.
chisai at 4:23PM on 03/04/09
I guess I've wondered what human-meat would taste like; I've come to the conclusion that it would depend on its atmosphere, lifestyle, etc (?)
Either-way: My survival instincts could kick-in if I was starving
but I don't believe I would choose to try cannibalism in any way shape or form.
@jerzee - LMAO!
@dmcavanagh - you rock dude.
hungrychristel at 4:26PM on 03/04/09
Reminds me of the classic comic image of the two cannibals eating a clown, and one looking at the other saying: "Does this taste funny to you?"
juliebugsmama at 4:30PM on 03/04/09
I once worked for a Periodontist who cauterized gums. The smell of flesh burning literally made me so sick to my stomach that I had to go outdoors for fresh air. I don't think I've ever smelled anything worse.
PerkyMac at 4:38PM on 03/04/09
@chisai--Thanks! I could not remember the title!
sadiepix at 5:45PM on 03/04/09
is there a choice of grass or corn fed? i couldn't do it for supper but for survival maybe.
dearrie at 5:49PM on 03/04/09
I would pay thousands of dollars to eat human meat. I'm not kidding. I've always wanted to try it, but I haven't really figured out an affordable way to. Oh well, I will keep on dreaming the impossible dream.
By the way, I bet the meat on the butt tastes the best.
BatEatsBat at 6:02PM on 03/04/09
If not for the chance of horrible diseases of the brain, perhaps.
Monkey4Sale at 6:02PM on 03/04/09
It depends on the side dishes.
ronfrankl at 6:25PM on 03/04/09
I can't even bring myself to eat Bambi or Thumper, let alone the crazy lady next door.
mandylynn902 at 7:36PM on 03/04/09
This has to be one of the best Talk topics ever! I've been laughing out loud reading the responses to this post. And eating placenta is soooo not the same as eating human flesh. Please. To answer the question posted: Sure. It's harder for me to consider eating dog over human flesh. This is clearly a problem, I realize...but I probably would hesitate very little if there was a dire need. Out of pure curiosity? Probably no.
JustNancy at 8:15PM on 03/04/09
well...being a former anorexic i know for certain I would never resort to human flesh...but curiousity wise i'm not exactly motivated either.
i did however give friends permission to cannibalize me if we were ever marooned together and i died. it's not like i'm doing anything with me afterwards.
eggyzhe at 8:30PM on 03/04/09
i once had a vegetarian restaurant called "the cannibal cafe" ... our
line was "we'd love to have you for dinner"....
pooch at 8:38PM on 03/04/09
I guess I would eat human flesh if the choice was eat or starve.
I must be old, no one has mentioned the movie Soylent Green: "A tale of Earth in despair in 2022. Natural food like fruits, vegetables, and meat among others are now extinct. Earth is overpopulated and New York City has 40 million starving, poverty stricken people. The only way they survive is with water rations and eating a mysterious food called Soylent. A detective investigates the murder of the president of the Soylent company. The truth he uncovers is more disturbing than the Earth in turmoil when he learns the secret ingredient of Soylent Green." - from imdb.com
overw8 at 8:02AM on 03/05/09
@overw8 - Or "To Serve Man," the great Twilight Zone ep where we think the aliens are here to help yus but discover their book "To Serve Man" is actually a cookbook.
chisai at 8:22AM on 03/05/09
We used to have a roast beef, roast pork, meatloaf dinner night every once and awhile with friends and we would watch the movies "alive" "soylent green" "The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover" and talk about what humans would really taste like.
CATERPILLARGIRL at 9:11AM on 03/05/09
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Sweeney Todd yet... ("with the price of meat what it is when you get it, if you get it...").
missmanders at 10:46AM on 03/05/09
overw8@ - that's one of my favorite movies of all time... i don't think it's so far fetched..... i remember edward g robinson showing pictures of apples and deer ....
pooch at 11:36AM on 03/05/09
The problem with Soylent Green, is once you know the secret, it's a really boring movie.
Monkey4Sale at 2:13PM on 03/05/09
My wife and I have had many conversations about eating our dog in a worst case scenario.
We both think she would taste like mutton.
I have dibbs on the cheeks!
Bosmer at 3:10PM on 03/05/09
What an interesting thread. I would not try human meat out of curiousity, but nor would I try dog or cat meat. I'm sure that if I was starving to death, I would eat it though. I wouldn't try a human-flavored Spam-like product basically because I don't eat that kind of ultra-prepared food regardless of flavoring. Plus, how would I know how accurate their flavor was? Regarding habitual cannibalism, see "kuru," a mad-cow-like disease prevalent among a Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea, which practices ritual cannibalism.
emgroff at 3:24PM on 03/05/09
I'm too meat squeamish to try any new meat - I've drawn the line at chicken, beef & pork. No bunnies or deers or elk or anything. So, unless I was starving and had no other choice, no I wouldn't try human meat.
RegrettableFoodie at 4:15PM on 03/05/09
Another thing that totally grosses me out is the idea of meat grown in labs or factories. Or really, anything manufactured like that. Quorn for example makes me queasy just to think about. So definitely no lab-grown synthetic human meat.
RegrettableFoodie at 4:17PM on 03/05/09
I hear with the recession..that human meat will be the next big trend on menus.
bisbee at 9:53PM on 03/07/09
yikes, no - especially anything with crispy skin, the smell would be impossible to tolerate ... think that would trigger some genetically-based nausia with me, let alone the horrific thought of all this
kindageeky at 10:33PM on 03/07/09
So, here's the thing about people eating folks who have died to survive. Wouldn't the meat be diseased or not good to eat? Like, if cow died of natural causes, we would say it is not fit to eat. I guess in a survival situation its a risky venture no matter what--either you ate someone who died and risk death through disease or you have certain death through starvation.
Unless, of course, the survivor died FROM the accident, or something. Like in a plane crash. I dunno.
inothernews at 10:58AM on 03/09/09
I'm thinking it'd be a great way for child molesters and cop killers to pay their debt to society. Plus, it would solve that whole "overcrowded prison" quandry.
buffy at 2:50PM on 03/09/09
human...its okay as long as you mix it with your mashed potatos and vegies
nhfoodie at 3:23PM on 03/09/09
sign me up. i've been waiting to taste me some good people meats
elvinwei at 2:29AM on 03/10/09