Would You Seriously Date Someone Who Didn't Love Food?
I met a really nice guy a while back. He was cute, charming, had a great job, etc. A 'perfect catch'. HOWEVER, he basically only liked 'junk food'. He refused to touch veggies, fresh fruit, seafood, Chinese food, Japanese food, Italian food, etc., etc. The only meat he would really eat was hamburger...well done of course, and the only chicken, KFC. He DID like bacon (burnt), eggs over HARD...(soft yolks made him gag) almost anything from Mickey D's...as long as they left off the lettuce, tomatoes, etc. Now, neither of us are 'spring chickens', he's almost 40, and I knew his tastes were, by now, 'set in stone'. Going out for a meal together was something almost impossible to do. I tried cooking a meal for him, but it was a disaster. He thought we should simply agree to disagree about food, and enjoy the things we DID have in common, but I soon realised that sharing great food with people I like is a huge thing in my life, and if it were impossible to do this basic thing with him, there was no hope for us as a couple. When I explained how I felt about this, he got pretty upset, but I'm old enough to know what's important to me, and this is. So...do you think I was wrong? Has anyone else on this board ever had a similar experience? Are you dating, or even married to, someone who doesn't appreciate, or even like, great (real) food? If so, how is that working out?
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52 Comments:
I was fortunate to have never had an experience quite like this, although I do have in laws who don't appreciate food and/or have all kinds of issues with food (which basically comes down to one line: "eating makes you fat", although tinned soups are just fine. Most likely because they're 100 calories a serving). I suppose it would be nice if I could just break up with them, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a realistic option, so I'm bound to just live with it.
It's hard for me to imagine to have a significant other who wouldn't care about food. Like I said, it has never happened, so I reckon it wouldn't happen, either. Since to me, as I've been saying on numerous occasions, food is love (if I like you, I want to cook for you:-)), on so many levels, I would probably feel somewhat rejected by a person who doesn't care for food (who, in turn, would possibly consider me insane, snobbish or plain daft), so I doubt I would be able to be in a serious relationship with him.
brooke29 at 12:21PM on 01/26/09
I'm totally with you on this issue. Sharing food with people is about way more than food. It's about intimacy and frienship and connection. It's an important bonding thing. We show/give our love when we cook for and feed people. If one is involved with someonw for whom these things are not important, a big chunk of fellowship goes right out the window. A very basic connection is gone.
If I'm dating you, part of how I show you I love you is to feed you, it's to watch your enjoyment at both the taste of the food and the effort I put in to it. If you don't appreciate it, it's like you don't appreciate my affection.
I could definitely handle different eating styles, but never a lack of food love.
chisai at 12:23PM on 01/26/09
the last man i dated was not at all interested in food except as a fuel for his workouts. {in all fairness, he had a really hot body for a man in his fifties and worked very hard to keep it that way, so his priorities were clear.}
it was certainly no fun to cook for him or go to restaurants and watch him only ever order plainly cooked fish and undressed salads, so even if other incompatibilities hadn't forced us to separate, i knew very well that i wouldn't have been happy living with him.
i think you did the right thing. cooking for someone is such a personal, intimate act -- if your partner doesn't like the food you make, it's like you yourself are being rejected. that would be too hard for a food lover to live with in the long term.
cybercita at 12:27PM on 01/26/09
Sure I would--and I have been, for the last year and a half. The key is consistent, unyielding pressure. I've taken my man from being a meat-and-potatoes guy to someone who's actually learned phrases in my language (Cantonese) to be able to order certain dishes in Chinatown. In fact, he's made far more concessions to my food-loving nature than I have to his scientific interests, so you have to remember that these things work both ways. Foodies who worry that their partners aren't sensitive to their passion should ask themselves how accommodating they are in return.
Finally, love is blind, etc., etc.
Michele Humes at 12:33PM on 01/26/09
If you basically have to give up something you truly love to maintain a relationship - that's a red flag. I can see how it might seem "silly" to be over food - but it's a part of everyday life (and more for you) and if it causes friction, that's no good. Making sacrifices is one thing - but if the guy can't even eat a home-cooked meal with an open mind ... wtf!? I pull lettuce and tomatoes off stuff at fast food joints (I like simple chezburgers and the quality of their veggies is dreadful), but pretty much refusing to try a vegetable? please.
A good SO doesn't have to dive headfirst into your passions, but if they make you feel guilty about it or refuse to even TRY to care or understand, that's a no-go, you just don't see it as often with food as with other things. The climbers I know usually date climbers, and we joke about how it's hard to date someone who doesn't get it (especially climbers who like to take month long vacations - if the SO can't handle the distance or the person's devotion to it, it causes MAJOR problems, hence climbers mostly dating other climbers, and in this case foodies with foodies :P). What I've noticed across the board is that what works is either someone who shares your passion or respects it and gives you the time/space to enjoy it.
joyyy at 12:40PM on 01/26/09
@Michele - the "love is blind" thing usually does not last forever:-). At some point, you do start seeing things clearly, the only question is, if you're willing to accept them or not. Then again, some people aren't hopeless and do change (even if slowly and reluctantly) - which is clearly the case with your BF:-). I was more referring to people unwilling to give food a chance.
brooke29 at 12:44PM on 01/26/09
I have been happily married for 40 years to someone who doesn't love food. Eating for him is a means to an end. If I ask him what he would like for dinner, he just looks at me. He has no imagination for food and I have never heard him express a desire to eat something special. This means that my dear husband will eat anything (even a sandwich at suppertime) with gratitude - however, he is not fussy or frightened to try out new things. He will basically eat what is put in front of him.
I think that over the 40 years of our marriage, he has learned to be a bit more discerning - in that he might mention that someone's roast was like shoe leather, or that the vegetables too overdone, but it has never stopped him from eating the stuff! He has learned to like ethnic food with different seasoning and spices. I never worry about feeding him and actually, it is great. He is easy to please, he is satisfied with anything and I wouldn't trade him for a food lover at any cost!
bareneed at 12:47PM on 01/26/09
My husband was into diner and fast food, well-done steak and potatoes, when I met him. I don't blame him because there wasn't much else in the extremely small town where he was from and what his mother cooked. He hated chicken, pasta, and cream sauces; never exposed to asparagus, salmon (other than from a can), non-La Choy Asian food, Greek, Indian, etc.
I slowly worked on him taking him to places where he would feel safe ordering something he would like and I'd order something different and offer him to try my dish. He's at the point where he loves medium rare (he still hates my rare, cold in the center steaks but eats beef carpaccio lol) steaks, poultry, pasta, and cream sauces, and could not live w/o sukiyaki, salmon, asparagus, Thai, and Vietnamese food. He is also the one who cooks our Greek, Japanese, Indian, ... meals from scratch.
What Michele above mentions about unyielding pressure is correct, but not to the point of being a nag. It really is a give and take situation and can potentially be a long process. My husband has been unrelenting in making me appreciate onions and garlic, and for the most part has been successful -- as long as it's not raw or has any discernable crunch, I'm all for it -- compared to before, where I'd be at a restaurant and would start heaving as soon as I tasted garlic or onions.
Although the thing I had working for me is that, presented with the opportunity, he'll try anything at least once.
Cassaendra at 12:56PM on 01/26/09
The last guy that I would not say i dated but I lived with him (long story) was pathetic. He was 6' 2" and weighed a the most...I repeat, the MOST 128 pounds. There was days that he would not eat at all. His diet consisted of;
A half a bottle of asprin a day down with a whole pot of black coffee.
Popcorn
Cheetos
Cheezits
A bolonga sandwich on white bread with mayo that he would cut into qrts (like you do with a child) but it took the whole day for this man to eat that one little sandwich.
Sometimes he would heat up a can of Nalleys (only that brand) chili.
Cheap beer and cheep cigarettes.
That is it!! I mean this, I had to get out of there. My BF now is not a big eater from what I am used to with other's that I was involved with, but at least he likes just about anything and will try anything once. He is very into a balance of foods, healthful foods. He has very few things that he does not like, the only things I know he will not eat are;
Manhattan clam chowder (his father was from Boston) so he only will eat the cream base)
Pizza that has pineapple or anchovies on top.
Flavored martinis, has to be a REAL martini
Cheap beers.
pjracz10 at 1:02PM on 01/26/09
Oops forgot to add -- However, if it is a major sticking point in your relationship and an extremely important issue that you feel the relationship cannot proceed for this reason, then it's time to dump the guy.
If that seems too brash, then maybe there's room for compromise between your likes/hobbies. I realize it's nice to share everything with a SO, but if it's not THAT important, differences are good too. You two should be strong standing alone, and even stronger together.
Cassaendra at 1:02PM on 01/26/09
Sadly, I have. I have had an ex or two that I credit with getting me more involved in food, and discovering different foods. The last one, though, was the pickiest, most horrible eater. He refused to eat veggies. He only ate meat. Not any meat, meat that you could eat with your hands. He was like a Neanderthal. He is a marine and served in Iraq, but I've know him a long time, over 10 years, and he has always had a horrible diet and been a horrible eater. That was just part of the reason we didn't work out...
lo82070 at 1:03PM on 01/26/09
Not only did I date him...but I married him! When I ask my husband what he wants for dinner, his usual answer is food.
He's also one of those people who 'forgets' to eat....until his body tells him his blood sugar is low. He would eat only 1 time a day if I didn't make him lunch for work. When we met he ate only frozen dinners (and those were limited due to his pickiness) and subs, wings or pizza from the pizza place on speed dial.
He likes his steaks well done, he doesn't like quite a few veggies, onions, bacon, pretty much anything creamy, garlic....the list could go on & on. His is however a meat & potatoes lover, so as long as I work along those guidelines, we're ok. I deal with it simply....and very similarly to Michele. Sometimes I 'sneak' those forbidden ingredients into the food I'm cooking, sometimes I slowly introduce him to new things, including medium well steak instead of well done. Sometimes I make concessions, and eat the foods that I know he absolutely doesn't like when we're out to dinner, or when he's out of town - macaroni & cheese is something he doesn't like at all....sometimes I just make some for myself. Sometimes he makes concessions - he's not wild about spaghetti & sauce - I grew up on it every Sunday - now I make it about twice a year, and he suffers through it for me...the other times I want it I get it for lunch from the great Italian restaurant across from my work.
I guess I am lucky that while my husband is super picky & really doesn't care if the food I cook him is gourmet or not, he's not quite as limited as Carolina's guy. I do tease him though...once he was more excited about the hot dogs & potato chips I gave him for dinner than the fig & goat cheese stuffed pork loin w/risotto that I made him another time.
We met & married a bit later in life too....I was 40 when we married....he was 33.....I've slowly been 'training' him....but I don't expect him to change all his ways for me. He gives me the freedom to enjoy what I want, and as long as I feed him on a daily basis...he's content! lol
mepolo at 1:08PM on 01/26/09
Restricts my creativity. And I'm too old and cranky to put up with picky geezers. However, under 40 hunks may apply. Resume required. No guarantees.
PerkyMac at 1:15PM on 01/26/09
I've been with my SO for 11 years, and when we met, he lived on junk food, frozen corn dogs, and peanut butter. The only two dishes he's ever cooked for me (spaghetti/meat sauce and pot roast) would make Sandra Lee proud. His list of "won't eats" include: tomatoes, onions, peppers, mushrooms, broccoli, cauliflower. No duck, lobster, crab, oysters, salmon. And steak? Well-done. Sushi? Forget it. A milk allergy further complicates matters.
It's frustrating to not be able to try out a new dish, or share something I think tastes absolutely delicious, only to have him screw up his nose in disgust. I will say though, he understands and respects my love of cooking, and of good food, and has even learned a little. I've successfully been able to remove asparagus and lima beans from his "won't eat" list (added to a VERY short list of "will eat" vegetables), and he now appreciates the goodness of properly prepared food. So he appreciates the fact that I cook for him, and has a slightly more discerning palate now, which is nice when we eat out.
So while I am able to share my cooking with him, the selections are limited (and daunting - it PAINS me to ruin a ribeye like that!), and I have to put up with him pausing to pick out every little morsel of onion/tomatoes/mushrooms. I do get to cook "MY" food when he's out of town or otherwise not home for dinner. And he does eat pork (that might have been a deal-breaker). But the real reason I think it's worked all these years? I never have to fight him for the last piece of lobster or rare roast beef!
hungryinhouston at 1:18PM on 01/26/09
This is hard to weigh on, since this ex-bf DID like food - it just wasn't the kind you liked. Often we hone in some smaller, safer (and oftentimes superficial) point to disagree on rather than address the bigger,deeper differences between us, and use that as the "official" reason we cannot see eye to eye.
Maybe on a deeper level you didn't feel that special connection, which, thank God you realized now rather than after, say, the wedding. My own husband is a lot like mepolo's - very basic, very predictable, very middle-of-the-road. We don't share the same passions for some things at all, but what we do share is a connection with the deeper things that matter more to both of us. He appreciates my cooking (which I don't regard as a "deeper thing"), and yes there are times I feel some of it's lost on him, but I do it for my own enjoyment to share with my family, entirely appreciated or not.
moibec at 1:22PM on 01/26/09
For me this would be akin to dating a smoker. If I really wanted to, I could probably make that work but why do it?
Food and cooking are both important to me and I likely would not gravitate to someone who thinks nuking and ingesting one of these constitutes dinner.
therealchiffonade at 1:33PM on 01/26/09
Sorry, itchy trigger finger...
I was married to someone who did like good food but did not respect my cooking ability. That marriage didn't last because while I raise those who cook to nearly deity status, he felt it was something "the help" did. Dolt.
And PS - You are not wrong. Find someone who will make you happy and not someone you have to manage. Can you imagine what it would be like to want to celebrate a wonderful occasion at a phenomenal restaurant only to have him pick apart the food or order something ridiculous? Not worth it when food and cooking are important to you.
therealchiffonade at 1:37PM on 01/26/09
I'm struggling with this right now as well, I fantasize about food constantly, hate ordering the same thing at a restaurant, ever, and read cookbooks while I eat. He would be happy eating frozen pizzas or going to the same diner every night. I don't think he'd believe me if I told him that was the reason we had to break up.
sophiawest at 1:46PM on 01/26/09
In a purely objective sense, I think that this issue, along with the various things that people sometimes term "dealbreakers", are usually indicative of deeper issues of compatibility. If you met someone with whom you got along perfectly in every other conceivable way, who was kind and warm and loved kittens and puppies, made you laugh and swoon and all that, you probably wouldn't break out the "dealbreaker" clause. But if he wasn't all that, maybe the food/music/whatever-else-is-important-to-you issue would grate that much more.
Michele Humes at 1:58PM on 01/26/09
Yeah, Michele took the words out of my fingers. Chances are, there was a connection missing on a deeper level, added to the fact that food and cooking are specifically important to you. As in, the other features of the fellow were not great enough for you to compromise sharing your love for food with a partner. So in that case, you probably did best to jump ship. Not to say that a great partner has to share your same passion for food, but to be with someone who ignores or antagonizes it could be frustrating in the long run.
My boyfriend was Skeletor when I met him, mostly because he hated cooking, was a single guy in the city, and subsisted mostly on white rice and frozen peas. Three years later, he likes to experiment with cooking, talks about making bread (I'll believe this when I see it), and has identified and refined what he likes and doesn't like to eat, as well as what makes food "good" to him.
One last point is that in my case, my boyfriend has become healthier through an appreciation for food. Not just cutting out tasteless junk, but also understanding that eating good food makes you feel better and live longer, and can incite a passion for cooking. If I were you, it would have bothered me most that someone I was dating was not concerned enough about his health for his own sake, to at least eat a side salad with the well-done burger.
savecara at 2:18PM on 01/26/09
Nope probably not.
It's actually part of my SO criteria to choose someone with a general love of food.
Otherwise, I would barely have anything to talk to him about!
hungrychristel at 2:24PM on 01/26/09
Kissin' don't last.....cookin' does. Dump him.
1stmakearoux at 2:31PM on 01/26/09
@sophiawest - I think most of us are like you, so obessed w/food & cooking....and it's like Michele and others have said....it's not necessary to share all likes & hobbies w/your SO....just like you wouldn't necessary choose or want your SO to have the same profession as yourself.
I think one of the wonderful challenges of my marriage is my husband's food likes & dislikes...it challenges me to move out of my comfort zone, and cook new dishes that my husband does like. I probably drive him crazy every time I cook something and constantly ask if he likes it. It also pushes him out of his comfort zone, as he is slowly beginning to at least try some new things...and if he doesn't like them...well there's always another new recipe waiting to be tried!
I will admit though...when I find a new spice or something exciting like that....it would be nice if he were just alittle more enthused! lol
mepolo at 2:32PM on 01/26/09
My wife has been learning to love food ever since we met...she was raised in a strictly 'meat and three veg' house, where odd things like rice, noodles, raisins and nuts were off-limits. She's come around, but still uncomfortable around some things.
I have serious gastro-intestinal problems (let's put it this way; a part of my intestines and I have parted ways, ne'er to see each other again). I can't eat everything I'd like. But I still love cooking food and sampling as I do.
One child loves anything, one likes very little. But the small victories, when she tries a samosa or deep-dish pizza, are worth the effort.
I've long subscribed to the belief that we love whom we love, for reasons we may never know. If my wife announced tomorrow that she no longer liked mushrooms or Alfredo sauce, we'd work around it. But the love was there first, and I think that's what you have to decide.
The fast-food thing is I think easier to deal with. He likes pizza? Both of you together learn to make pizza. He likes fries? Pommes frites are not hard to make and are so, so much better. Maybe you could make it a project for the two of you. A night spent in, cooking dinner together, can be a great, great night.
NotAmerican at 2:32PM on 01/26/09
Wow, that'd be hard, but I if truly loved him, I'd make it work. I suppose in the beginning I might try to change his attitude towards food, although I know I would get frustrated if I didn't succeed. That said, I suppose you could get used to it after awhile. Plus I'd hate to think that someone wouldn't date me just because I may not love something he loved. It wouldn't work, however, if he gave me a hard time about my love for it. Not understanding it or feeling the same way would be one thing, but if he constantly made fun of me for it or seriously thought it was stupid, that'd be another thing. That I couldn't deal with.
kimberlymac at 2:39PM on 01/26/09
@savecara - I was going to mention the health issue too, but by the time I thought of it my post was already rambly enough :P While getting TOO focused on health/diet can be annoying, overdone, etc ... I think it would be difficult to be with someone whose lifestyle health-wise was a big disconnect from mine ... which may have been a part of the OP's issues? Who knows.
I'm much healthier than I used to be now, and the bf has helped with that (I clean more now too, thanks to his habits rubbing off on me :P). I don't foresee breaking up with the bf any time soon, but hypothetically, I think it would definitely be an issue to try to date someone whose lack of or obsession with eating/being healthy wasn't even close to on par with my own ... especially as the years go on.
joyyy at 2:59PM on 01/26/09
Honestly, I think a crucial component of my relationship with my boyfriend is food. We both enjoy it immensely and it makes mealtime and traveling a lot more fun.
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Chew on That at 3:16PM on 01/26/09
I'm too serious about food to date someone who doesn't love food.
That would take a part of my life away.
hmw0029 at 3:29PM on 01/26/09
There is a big difference between 'not being into food' or 'not liking the same foods' or even 'having different ethical beliefs about food (veg v. non-veg)' and using food to articulate ideas about control and different issues. I've been with guys who just don't notice food until it's put in front of them, then they inhale, and forget about it until 'food happens' to wander their way once again.
However, I've known other men who have laundry lists of foods they won't eat, ethnic restaurants where they can't find anything, certain times when you are 'supposed to eat' because that is how they grew up, only eat dishes prepared a certain way because that is how their moms did it, who think healthy eating and vegetarianism isn't just something that they aren't into, but an object of constant 'comedy routines'--and given that food, unlike most other hobbies, 'happens' at least 3 times a day, it can get wearying after a certain point.
If you find yourself only being able to eat at certain places, and only eat certain things because food is nonnegotiable for him because of his finickiness, something is definitely wrong.
HeartofGlass at 3:34PM on 01/26/09
I was just thinking about posting this question last night! whenever I meet someone and see the possibility of something coming together I have to probe the food issue. Once a girl told me she couldn't eat tomatoes, along with a litany of other items. It killed me. No pizza?! Needless to say, nothing came of that...
vinoportland at 3:52PM on 01/26/09
I've been lucky having dated one chef, one short-order cook and one guy whose family owned a very decent Italian restaurant. THEY were the ones who taught ME what good food was. (I used to order my steaks mid-well but I've seen the light.) My most recent ex was an amatuer bodybuilder and went on the craziest eating plans. He also ate enough for three people when preparing for a contest. It was a disconnect to say the least but it wasn't a deal breaker and when he wasn't on a weird eating plan he was usually willing to try something new. When he was on weird eating plans it was a little embarassing to eat out with him since he ordered meat, meat and more meat. No sides, sometimes a dry salad. I got through it but boy would I be happy to find a someone who eats normally and is willing to try new things - especially my mom's Vietnamese food.
CooksForOne at 4:03PM on 01/26/09
@NotAmerican; Unfortunately, he hates pizza too. He won't eat anything with tomatoes except ketchup. He won't touch anything with onions, garlic, herbs or spices. I'm (part) Italian, and don't really know HOW to cook without these things. (BTW...I make killer pizza already) (I've been a professional chef for the past 18 years now) He also hates all cheeses except for Velveeta, and the only 'pasta' he'll eat is Kraft Dinner. The dinner I cooked for him was pork chops and mashed potatoes, both of which he said he 'could eat'. Of course I added in a salad and some sauteed broccoli rabe for myself, and made a simple chocolate mousse for dessert, as he said he liked (American style) chocolate pudding. I also made sauteed apples instead of apple sauce, as they're so much nicer. I bought some lovely thick center-cut pork chops at Whole Foods, and resisted stuffing them, as I couldn't make a stuffing without onions or garlic. I seasoned the chops very simply, and cooked them to perfection. The apples were SOOO good, the mashed potatoes too, again I resisted adding garlic, etc. I DID use creme fraiche and Kerrygold butter in them, and topped them with a sprinkling of fresh chives (easily pushed to the side) Of course some sea salt and a bit of freshly ground pepper were added as well. I was quite proud of myself, that I had 'overcome' my desire to cook exactly what pleased me and try to suit his tastes instead. Well, it didn't. Not nearly. First off, the pork chops were 'too juicy'. His idea, turns out, of pork chops are the thinnest possible, fried long and hard over high heat until no moisture is left. Only then does he consider the meat cooked. Any hint of 'juiciness' in meat or chicken means that they are 'underdone'. So, he couldn't eat those. I did offer to cook them longer for him, but he said they were simply too thick, and could never be done enough in less than a half-hour. He also said all of the food was too 'spicy' for him, even the apples...(cinnamon and a bit of brown sugar...WTF?) The potatoes also went over like a lead balloon. He's only used to the 'instant mashed', and I made the 'mistake' of leaving the peels on the potatoes.They also were 'too spicy'. And sour. He also objected to the 'smell' of my salad dressing (a plain vinaigrette of olive oil and sherry vinegar) even though he wasn't eating it, and the smell of the broccoli rabe cos I had sauteed it with a bit of garlic. He managed to eat about three bites of the mousse, but said it was too rich (and too bitter) to eat more. He wondered why I hadn't simply made 'Jello' instant pudding, as that was apparently what he was expecting. I had used Valrhona bitter chocolate in the mousse, but also quite a bit of sugar, and the last bit of some Cheri Suisse that I'd been hoarding. So, you see, that was about the moment I realised it just could NOT work between us. Oh, and he even hated my bread, a homemade baguette, it was too 'chewy' and the crust was too 'crispy'. He honestly didn't think I should have been upset. He made NO effort to really taste anything. One bite of the chop, the potatoes and the bread, a wrinkled nose and the expression someone makes when something is foul, and that was IT!! He said..."Look, you know I'm picky about my food, you shouldn't take it personally. I know you tried" He also said he would go to Micky D's and get something to 'go', and bring it back to my house, then we could go to the movies when he'd eaten. I just told him I was too tired to go out, and to enjoy his dinner. Rude? Maybe, but...
Carolina de Witte at 4:19PM on 01/26/09
My husband LOVES food but he's a super picky eater. It's good to see that I'm not alone. Would I dump someone because they don't like to read cookbooks or scour food blogs all day like me? No. Does it bug me that I have to beg to try a new restaurant with my husband? Yes.
You find ways to work around it just like anything else.
My hubby would only eat meat, potatoes, green beans, corn, and bread - literally. That along with all forms of fast food: no condiments, bacon and American cheese only, sometimes make it a double.
We've been married for 3 months and he's come a LONG way. He's tried sushi, baba ganoush, lamb, brussel sprouts, Thai food - I can even get him to eat a salad as his dinner. We are making progress every day, tonight we're having a wonderful zucchini soup.
I think sometimes people don't love food because they haven't had the chance to experience it like the rest of us. Nothing makes me happier than when my hubs tries something new that I already love and really enjoys it.
TaraTot at 4:27PM on 01/26/09
I've never broken up with someone explicitly because of a food issue, but food issues definitely played a huge role in ruining a relationship with a long-term BF. He was a strictly kids' food kind of guy: burgers (no onion, lettuce, or tomato), fries, pizza, hot dogs, neon orange cheese puffs, and--how could I forget--the 2-liter bottle of cola that he'd carry around our college campus with him. (Yes, money was tight for him, and the 2-liter bottle was more economical...but he would finish that sucker by the end of the day!)
I tried to get him to try new things, but he was almost always unwilling to take even a bite of whatever I'd cooked. ("It'll be too spicy." "All those vegetables will have me on the toilet for hours." You get the picture.) We were basically living together, and it was important to me to share dinner, so we resorted to having separate meals. I'd enjoy my lovely homecooked meal with a glass of wine while he dug into his Burker King bag. Oh--and he was also a teetotaler, which made life somewhat unfun.
Long story short, I did break up with him, but not for these reasons alone. Still, though, I think that at least in my case it could be said that the food stuff was a kind of synecdoche when it came to the relationship problems as a whole: he was too bullheaded to consider evolving. Not sacrificing, just evolving.
annatr at 4:27PM on 01/26/09
Well, you want to date someone with whom you're compatible but you also need to be able to compromise on some things.
One has to decide what they're willing to compromise on.
CanadianFoodieGirl at 4:30PM on 01/26/09
I think it all depends on how much other stuff you have in common. My SO and I dont have alot of other hobbies in common, so food is really important to us. In the past, I've dated guys less interested and it hasn't been a problem becuase we had other things in common. I do have to put up with my SO thinking cheese is gross in large quantities, which is jsut sad to me.
Embackus at 4:30PM on 01/26/09
I wouldn't trust anyone with no interest in food (they probably don't like dogs, either).
bessfour at 5:05PM on 01/26/09
@carolina - I would have dumped him too....he wasn't just picky....he was downright rude!
Most people are raised to eat a meal that has been prepared for them, and then smile politely and say nothing if it does not appeal to them...if they are a guest in someone's home....this guy had no manners at all...and I have a hunch it would have gone way beyond food!
mepolo at 5:24PM on 01/26/09
Actually, when I met my husband about 10 years ago we were both in high school and while I was a somewhat adventurous eater, his habits were similar to the person described in the original comment. We would go out to dinner and all he would heat was a well done burger, with nothing "different" on it, different then was anything other than hamburger and ketchup. He wasn't exposed to a variety of food growing up. But as we grew as a couple he has become more and more into food. Now food plays a big part in our lives. We use to just go out with friends and he would be more concerned with going to a bar after dinner, but now dinner is actually the main part of the night. He has also become more adventurous than me when it comes to food. It was him who told me that I should go ahead and give oysters on the half shell a try (and I am glad I did!). So I don't know if I would say you shouldn't give someone a try if at first they dont seem to enjoy food as much as you. Sometimes, if you share your passion with someone, they may find themselves looking at it differently.
Deseree at 5:49PM on 01/26/09
@carolina - wow. that's definitely DTMFA behavior. How rude! If I were dating someone who was a professional chef for 18 years, I'd be hanging around constantly hoping to be fed like an adorable, hungry puppy too cute/sad to turn away.
Seriously, that's just bad manners whether you are a foodie or not. Besides, if someone I liked put that much effort into a meal - I'd smile and eat no matter what. A note later that it's not one's preferred style is one thing, but blow by blow dissection of how bad his palate is? ugh.
joyyy at 5:59PM on 01/26/09
I met DH when we were pretty young and a lot of our dates revolved around food -- like going to restaurants, or me inviting him over for a meal. We had a lot of "firsts" together, when it comes to new foods and cuisines. So a lot of our eating habits grew up together. He's not as "into" food as I am as far as preparation, but he is an appreciative audience, and he loves to brag to everyone else about my cooking. And he's perfectly willing to eat anything I cook, and to try new foods when we're out. And he does listen when I babble about ingredients and cooking gadgets.
If I was in the dating market, I don't think I'd be too thrilled with someone who was overly picky about food, or who wasn't willing to try new things once in a while. And I probably wouldn't be pleased with anyone who tried to take over my kitchen. A little help would be fine, alternate cooking nights would be acceptable. But I wouldn's want to be playing sous chef unless he happened to be an actual chef.
dbcurrie at 7:11PM on 01/26/09
I think that, for me, the reason the food issue would be such an issue is that it's an all the time thing. One eats food. A lot. Unlike, say, political affiliation, it comes up every single day you're together. I have happily dated people with different political, religious and ethical food styles than me with little problem, even though vegans can be a bit difficult, but there's always a midway, but if someone just plain YECH, on everything outside of fast food, and belittling to boot, he would, in fact, get the boot. Because, you know what? With every "going into serious" relationship, I have to ask myself, "Can I live with this forever?" And if the answer is "no, I really can't," then they have to go.
If I am willing to sit through endless baseball and football games and learn to enjoy them, they've got to give back in kind. You don't have to love what I make, but you are not allowed to tell me it sucks. The words "interesting," or "I'm not feeling it" are totally fine. At least give me the impression that you're trying, and I'm totally cool with it.
On the Food Confession thread, I mentioned an old BF. He's the same one who would not eat any kind of raw fish, only liked food that had the same texture the whole way through, and refused to even contemplate the idea of a beef stew not created by his mom. He was a huge Mets fan. He learned to LOVE raw oysters and grew to like my cooking to the point that a couple of months after we broke up, he called me for recipes. I, in turn, grew to love the Mets. Give and take. But the willingness has to be there, on both sides.
OMG, I'm totally on a soap box now. Sorry.
chisai at 8:47PM on 01/26/09
I have had a similar experience. I think you made the right decision to part company with him. I could go into detail with my experience, but it just makes me tired to talk about it. Anyway, trust me--go with someone who shares your appreciation of good food and who will appreciate what you have to offer them.
gourmetgal at 10:34PM on 01/26/09
If it gets to the point where the other person's disinterest in food turns out to be a fear of food encroaching on willful ignorance and possible bigotry (cultural or ethnic generalizations, stereotyping, etc), then yeah it might be a deal breaker.
But if its just someone who hasn't had the good fortune to be able to have a broad range of eating experiences, I can fix that real fast!
Assuming their are willing to try and aren't all "EEW THE CHINESE EAT THAT??!!" at the mere thought of something outside of what they are familiar with. At that point, their other personality traits may be showing.
fuuchan at 11:17PM on 01/26/09
My husband and I have grown into food lovers together. We both had rather boring tastes when we first married 7 years ago and I was not much of a cook. Now we love watching cooking shows or reading about food and cooking. One of our favorite things to do together is go grocery shopping. I do most of the cooking so I get a little more into then him but it's a shared interest. Of course there are many things I love ie. fashion, and pop culture that he's not into much and vice versa. I'll never be a tech geek like him. I think it's give and take. Find the common ground and work on it. My husband swore he'd never marry someone who wasn't into sci-fi or emo music but he did! Now I love me some sci-fi but emo is another story. I think if it's meant to be the other stuff falls into place and I also believe people can grow and change.
LizSherman at 11:58PM on 01/26/09
It's funny for me because when I was dating my Hispanic now husband, I would bend over backwards to make homemade Mexican dishes...Mole, tamales, carne asada...you name it....when I asked him if he liked it, he would say...well, I've never had this before!!! He lived in a regional part of Mexico that hadn't ever had the typical Mexican dishes we have today.
I finally gave up and made MY tradional dishes that I grew up with....roast beef with Yorkshire pud, cornish pasties, swedish meatballs, spaghetti, lasagna, etc and he loved it all...although the first time I presented him with roast beef, mash and gravy he poured hot sauce over it all (and still does when I'm not looking). He had never even had a baked potato before so it was an educating experience for both of us. Well, he still married me, and still loves the food I serve after 25 years....so I guess I did good. His palate was definately expanded.
lamora at 12:49AM on 01/27/09
My husband grew up in a meat and potatoes family that killed vegetables dead. Had he not eaten oysters, sushi and a just about everything put in front of him I don't think I could have married him.
I agree with @chisai that food is an everyday thing and having fundamental differences makes a relationship difficult. Now that we have kids, they like to torment him about why he doesn't like peas. Leave it to kids to seize on the one thing... poor guy I almost have sympathy!
LearP at 1:03AM on 01/27/09
@carolina; wow. Just wow. He might be food phobic, but that's just being rude. I don't know what to say. Except you can come by and cook for us anytime.
@LearP; my father-in-law hates raisins. When my wife was a little girl, her brother and she made a batch of scones and hid the raisins in the centre, and then gave them to him. Dastardly.
NotAmerican at 1:48AM on 01/27/09
Girlfriend (snap)--this is (even) bigger than food--all of my 'crazy controlling man' buttons are going off. Even if a non-foodie prepared a meal of well-done pork chops and Jell-O pudding, and the foodie refused to eat it, lectured the other person about the virtues of fine cuisine, and then left saying, 'I'm going to a restaurant,' I'd say then that the foodie was in the wrong.
Not having a palate=excusable. Not having manners=non-negotiable.
HeartofGlass at 7:46AM on 01/27/09
I really like the way chisai put it (and a couple of other posters touched on it as well), that a conflict over food just keeps coming up. I think I could tolerate our totally divergent tastes in music, because that only comes up every other day or so when we are in a car together. But he will not eat any vegetables except spinach cooked until it is dark, he doesn't like any type of Asian or long noodle, he won't eat yogurt, he doesn't like baked or mashed potatoes, tomatoes, avocado, olives, beans or tofu (and I am a vegetarian), he doesn't eat fruit and doesn't like "fruit in desserts" (he turned his nose up at a lemon cake!). I'm getting really tired of making pigs in a blanket, macaroni and cheese and gnocchi.
The other night I made barbecue tofu, buttermilk biscuits, a simple green salad with a vinaigrette and roasted baby brussel sprouts. He ate four biscuits.
Any ideas of what I can feed him?
sophiawest at 1:40PM on 01/28/09
My boyfriend is almost my food opposite, and I'll be honest -- it can get tough.
I'm vegetarian, he's not. I eat very healthily, he's been known to order Pizza Hut twice in one day. I'm really adventurous, and I like to try new things just for variety's sake; he's got a rotation of about 20 dishes he'll eat.
The first time I cooked him dinner -- I offered to make pasta, figuring it was a safe bet -- he brought his own sauce, a jar of Ragu.
We don't live together, and our schedules are different enough that we only eat together three or four days a week, but on those days, we're pretty much stuck cooking/ordering different meals. And I'm too apprehensive to cook for him now.
It makes me worry about what would happen if we did live together, because sharing meals is such a key part of building a life together. But there's hope: I recently convinced him to try Korean food, and he loved it, which has made him more open to trying new things in general.
I'll never convert him to eating mushrooms or cheese, and he'll never be the kind of guy who tried out all the new restaurants. But he wants to broaden his horizons -- and that, I think, is more important than where he started from.
piccola at 11:20PM on 01/29/09
I find it interesting that the comments are overwhelmingly about guys that are picky eaters. Are men that much worse than women when it comes to this, or do they just care less about what their SO eats (or about this thread :-)?
For me, a relationship would have to be pretty fricking amazing for me to overlook a girlfriend who wouldn't eat most of what I do. I can deal with someone who isn't as passionate about food as I am, but an overly picky eater is a near-dealbreaker.
DavidNY at 1:09AM on 02/16/09