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Wheat Conundrum

My granddaughter has food sensitivities that cause serious digestive problems. She can't eat any corn, dairy or soy. My daughter said that bread doesn't seem to bother her, but pasta causes major problems. Strange, eh? They're coming for Christmas and I'd love to be able to find one she can eat, other than gluten free.

Are there wheat pastas that aren't made from semolina, which I would think is the culprit? Do you agree? Can you help? Thanks in advance!

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Pasta is simple to make; and you can use any flour you want and have complete control.

Or look for fresh pastas instead of dried. Less likely to have semolina. And good pasta should have a very short ingredient list.

Well, it sounds like it could be the greater gluten development of pasta vs. bread... perhaps you could make more delicate cannelloni or crespelle instead? Also, I used to get a brown rice pasta at whole paycheck that were actually pretty good.

Otherwise, maybe just skip the pasta. Better to do without than have issues.

One other thought. Why not do gnocchi??? Yummier than pasta anyway (if done well). Even great baked into a "mac" and cheese...

Never met a kid who didn't like 'em.

Thanks LoCo and dbcurrie. I should have mentioned - it needs to be something I can buy, not make. I could even order it if you know of something online. I've tried some gluten free pasta and wasn't impressed. A recommendation for a good one would also be appreciated. They're coming about 10 days before Christmas and leaving a few days into the New Year. (Gosh, I'm just getting used to summer being over!).

Check out this link, although I also really love LoCo's gnocchi idea - you can even turn it into a "together" kitchen activity if you feel up for it. I still remember how much I loved making gnocchi or stuffed pasta/pierogi with my Gran when I was little! With two little girls in the kitchen, it's sure to be fun:-).

Oops, was typing while you posted the above. Forget the gnocchi making then and just check out that link I posted:-)

Soba is made from buckwheat which is not really a wheat at all... very yummy, very nutritious, very quick cooking. Perfect for kids. Readily available at most groceries, but also can order on line. Might be able to get at a Japanese restuarant if it has a varied menu. (now i've got a craving)

Also, there are all kinds and varieties of asian rice noodles that can be easily bought in most supermarkets, ordered on line, and probably can get from takeaway, too (chinese, thai, japanese, etc.).

Gnocchi still sounds like a good idea, since it's more potato than flour, and it's not worked much at all, so gluten development shouldn't be an issue. You can buy it fresh at a lot of supermarkets.

Although -- and I don't really know if I'm correct ot not, isn't it the presence of gluten rather than the development of the gluten the issue? Which is wny people who are gluten sensitive have to avoid things like commercial chicken broth that often includes wheat as an ingredient? So the working of the gluten wouldn't matter (and honestly, I work my bread dough a lot more than pasta dough, so if the same holds true in commercial applications, the bread would be worse than the pasta.)

Maybe the issue is the amount of wheat being consumed? Because if you're eating pasta, it's the bulk of the meal, but with bread, it's a smaller proportion of the whole meal.

Dunno, if it was me, I might skip the pasta entirely until she gets tested, unless this is something they're all willing to risk. It's a lot of guessing.

@db ~ she has been tested and they're inconclusive. I've seen her writhe in pain since she was born. Not worth risking. The bread vs. pasta is just so strange though and my daughter would love to be able to throw together a quick pasta meal and knows she'd love it. The gnocchi idea is a good idea - not too much flour? I've never made them. I can't shop, but maybe I could get my daughter to look for them with the fresh pasta.

Soba. Heard of it, never tried it. Something else to look for. Rice pasta/noodles sound like they would work. Thanks brooke & LoCo!

Hooray, I knew you'd all have great ideas. What would I do without y'all???

@perk...

First, you can get ready-made gnocchi that have no wheat flour in them...

Second, soba noodles are super delicious. Get yourself some first to see how you like them. Be careful not to overcook as they get mushy. Buckwheat is gluten-free.

Good luck!

One thing about soba if you decide to try them (and you should, they are, indeed, super delicious) - unlike with regular pasta, once they're cooked, you need to rinse the noodles really well under cold running water or they will taste floury. I use a big colander and kind of swish them with my hand in cold water.

Gnocchi are pretty easy to make, if you don't get hung up on making them all pretty and even. They're a lot like dumplings, and if they're a bit ragged and lumpy, it doesn't matter, and it might even help to hold the sauce on better. I know you said that you didn't want to make them yourself, but maybe you could find some recipes that your daughter could make later.

@LoCo ~ are the gnocchi you're talking about sold fresh or frozen? Any special brand to look for?

I have problems with wheat, corn, oats, potatoes, dairy, and a bunch of other things. The problems are not life-threatening, but I do try to avoid these ingredients, and I'm involved in an ongoing search for alternatives that do not compromise on quality.
It's possible that semolina flour is the problem, but to be on the safe side, I'd try a different grain.

Your best bet, if you're thinking of going with pasta, is the rice pasta brand 'Tinkyada'. It's really good (the taste and texture are virtually indistinguishable from semolina pasta, and this is something about which I'm extremely picky).
I used to buy it at Integral Yoga on 13th Street, and I think I've seen it at Whole foods. Here's the link: http://www.tinkyada.com/

There are also a number of (mostly European) brands that make rye pasta. It does not taste bad, but, like say, porcini pasta, does have a distinct flavour. I like it very much, but it would not be a popular choice with those who don't care for rye.

I vote potato gnocchi. So good too. Make sure they are not too heavy they can be leaden if made wrong. Is there a P&S store up that way? They have good frozen gnocchi.

@Perk ~ I am just wiggling with excitement for you! Gnocchi gets my vote!

@db ~ I had to chuckle ~ "Gnocchi are pretty easy to make, if you don't get hung up on making them all pretty and even." For those of us with OCD that could present a problem.

If you go with gnocchi, try to find ones that are made with rice flour (if these exist), because otherwise, you're likely to find your granddaughter still suffers from the same problem.

BTW, your granddaughter's problem when it comes to pasta but not bread may be due, at least in part, to the difference between a leavened, baked starch (bread), and a boiled starch (any sort of pasta, regardless of grain type), particularly as pasta frequently isn't chewed thoroughly (because the individual pieces are small and slippery). So, whatever pasta you try, start her with just a few pieces and see what happens.

If someone does go to a real Japanese store (versus an Asian market), make sure they read the ingredients. Soba is colloquially used as a generic term to distinguish between thinner types of noodles and udon.

My favorite soba, souki soba (Okinawan style stewed boneless spare ribs with red ginger garnish over noodles in pork-based soup broth eaten with rice), is made with plain flour...oddly, it's not a thinner noodle and looks a lot like udon, but is yellow and not quite as fat. :P

Ok, I'm going to attempt gnocchi - you've convinced me. ;-D

I can only walk and stand for a couple of minutes before my knees and back give out, but I guess I can do them sitting down if I can take my time and come back to them if I get back spasms.

I recall seeing Mario Batali make them and mark them with a little gizmo which facilitates catching more sauce. I thought a fork would also work. I can't make a browned butter/sage sauce. Dairy. Doesn't margarine have corn oil? I couldn't eat that stuff myself, but as an alternative......don't know what's in it.

So, can you teach me how to make them or direct me to a video? Mario works so fast, my brain can't catch up. I've never made mashed potatoes without adding in some rich dairy. This will be a new experience. Do you add anything to the potatoes? Russets, yukon gold, waxy???

Meantime, I'm going on a hunt for the other products you wonderful friends have recommended.

@Perky - you can make them sitting down, and you can also use roasted butternut squash instead of potatoes. for the sauce, I caramelise onions in olive oil, add sage, salt & pepper, and sometimes, balsamic reduction - no dairy, and delicious.

I have the gnocchi board - the one that makes they "wavy" and pretty, but I found that it's much faster (and easier) to just cut the rolled dough into small "pillows" - dumplings. They look more rustic:-), and catch the sauce just fine. Also, you could make a big batch and freeze them for later use - I always do that, in fact. You don't need to roll/cut them all at once, you can take breaks and store the dough in the fridge.

To freeze, cook the gnocchi and chill first, then pack and freeze. I apologise if I'm slightly incoherent, my fever is back to 102F, so my thoughts are a bit blurry.

My sympathies and appreciation brooke. No fever here, just the opposite - why can't I be normal like everybody else? BooHoo. I still have pneumonia and feel terrible. Stinks, doesn't it? Hope you feel better soon. That's a pretty serious fever for an adult. Have you been to the doctor, Miss Brooke?

LOVE butternut squash. I'll bet a combo with potatoes would taste fantastic. No egg? I'd better find a recipe. Roll, cut and cook until they rise to the top of the water?

Good luck on your gnocchi project. Let us know how it turns out. I tried once, and they were pretty tasty. I made the grooves with a fork, and they turned out well. If somewhat "rustic." :)

I've also had good luck with asian style rice noodles- especially the thin styles. Yummy with chicken soup.

Thanks Perky, and no I usually avoid doctors - when I feel all right, there's no reason to, and now I'm too ill to go and see a doctor:-). It does stink that you still can't shake off that pneumonia, very much so, does it normally last that long? Forget my stupid fever, you really worry me. You've got to get seriously better before your girls come over!

Back to the gnocchi - they definitely do need eggs, and I've done a butternut squash with Yukon Golds combo - it's really, really good. I don't have an exact recipe, I usually do them "by feel" - potatoes and/or butternut squash, eggs, spices and flour. I usually use whole wheat flour, but I'm certain you could use chickpea or brown rice flour - it's fairly easy to come by (look up Vitacost.com, they have very decent prices on Arrowhead Mills "odd" organic flours, and their shipping, I think, is flat $5). And yes, roll, cut and cook in salty boiling water until they rise, remove with a slotted spoon, repeat. You'll have to tell us later how it turned out though:-).

I would use a russet type potato (non-waxy) or they might tend toward leaden. I've also had them made with sweet potatoes, and those were wonderful.

If you need a binder, you can use potato flour (that's actually how I was taught to do it).

Don't overlook tomato based sauces for gnocchi. They work really well IMHO. Love 'em tossed with a nice bright marinara. They're also good with sauteed or braised greens (chard, mustard, whatever). And I've been putting them in chicken soup for years. Or just mix 'em up with some chicken and gravy for a kid-friendly dish (a la chicken 'n' dumplins). Nom, nom... Again, you can use potato flour to make the gravy. Take care with the potato flour, though... it's like cornstarch and thickens fast then breaks if you're not careful.

As far as the ready-made types are concerned, I honestly haven't bought any in a really long time. But I've used both the shelf-stable ones and the frozen ones, and found most to be at least decent if not downright tasty.

Not sure if they still have them, but years ago Trader Joe's carried frozen gnocchi that weren't bad. I always had some in my freezer when my kiddos were tots... Not sure whether they had any no-no ingredients or not.

I know you're set on gnocchi, but a really good gluten fee pasta is Eden Organics quinoa & kamut spirals, even my boyfriend who's thoroughly against "that kind" of food, loves it.

Also, I also have problems standing, so I got a drafting chair for my kitchen (they're like office chairs, but go up much higher)...now I can roll around and still be high enough to chop, and stir, etc.

There was an Everyday Italian episode where Giada made incredibly simple gnocchi. I'm sure the recipe is up there, somewhere. No dairy involved. You start with a freshly cooked potato, not mashed spuds.

And you don't need to worry about the pretty fork marks at all, you can just roll a long rope and cut it into chunks. I think that the way Lidia did it one one of her shows. Or maybe it was someone else.

Cutting the ropes at an angle will make them a little fancier without being fussy. And keep in mind that they do puff up when you cook them, so you don't need to make really big ones.

If rolling out ropes is too much hassle, you could just break off blobs of dough. I'm thinking that you could just tear off pieces with a fork and roughly shape them into something cohesive. Yeah, the ocd police will be knocking on your door, but if they're all completely different, you can say you planned it that way. :-)

The fork-rolling thing is actually kind of fun, and you can sit down somewhere and do it at your leisure, or teach your granddaughter how to do it. And she might already know how to make "ropes" out of dough. You didn't mention how old she is, but it's not much different than making things with clay or play-doh, so it's not like you're asking her to fillet a fish. And if she makes them all uneven and knobby, no one is going to complain.

@PerkyMac: Would you let us know how this works out? I'd really like to know.

My granddaughter just turned 4 and we will have a great time in the kitchen making gnocchi. The best tasting play dough on the planet! We'll have to do a sweet potato batch and a potato/butternut squash batch. Pasta will be a special treat another night - thanks to yuze guys!

If Joyy reads this..........did you go to the Flagstaff Festival of Lights? If so, there was a very little girl who ran onstage, was given the microphone and wished the audience Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year while her mother gaped in shock. She may have also said a few Native American phrases. I'm surprised she didn't sing a song, too. Yep, that was mine! 0:-)

I will definitely update you. I can't wait to cook for them and have little helper hands in the kitchen.

Fingers, eyes and toes crossed that this posts. Having a heck of a time staying online.

@Perky--that sounds like so much fun! I love cooking with my boy--he's 6 now and I hope to make him into a great chef one day.

I'm sorry you're still feeling punk :( That pneumonia is a b___ to get rid of. Have you seen a respiratory therapist? Hope you're better soon.

There is an episode of Lydia were she makes gnocchi with her grandchildren--and also one where she makes a 'poor man's lasagna' with bread, rather than noodles for the layering--stale bread, ricotta, spinach, tomato sauce, and so forth. Perhaps try that some other time?
Spaghetti squash is also a good alternative for the gluten-sensitive.

And please take it easy--I hope playing with your grandchild gives you some relief, health-wise.

Yipes brooke29--I'd be hypocritical to tell you to go to a doctor, since I never go myself but please drink a few gallons of water and monitor your temperature carefully just in case.

PerkyMac, since this is going to be part of a special meal, it would be a really good idea you could make a tiny batch of gnocchi and have your granddaughter try them ahead of time: this would either reassure you that all's well, or give you plenty of time to come up with alternative if they turned to be problematic.

@mongoose ~ not to worry. They will be here for several weeks, so it's just one of many meals. I consider them all special. Christmas dinner will be at a friend's house and I'm not sure if they'll be with me or my ex. We'll have fun creating and cooking and I'm sure they'll taste wonderful. You've been a fantastic resource - I can't thank you enough.

I found a cookbook that didn't get packed. It's called Cooking with Kids or something like that. I want to browse it before they come. My daughters love to talk about cooking with Mom. I feel like Lidia with her grandchildren. Actually her daughter-in-law and I have the same name!

Grandchildren are the best medicine on this green earth. *smile*

I can't thank you all enough for sharing your wisdom and good wishes.

@brooke ~ this is the first time i've ever had pneumonia, but i never dreamed i'd be so sick for so long. i'm much better than when i was hospitalized, but not over it by any stretch. don't wait too long, like i did!

@all ~ I'm probably going to have more questions about her diet, so I hope you'll continue to offer your ideas. I'm not used to dealing with so many food restrictions, but knowing you are all here is comforting..

Just in case you decide to go with the pre-made gnocchi route... Nuovo Pasta makes gluten-free gnocchi. You can usually find this in the fresh pasta (not frozen!) section of Whole Foods.

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