It's not worth it to make _______ when I could just buy it
On the flip side of dbcurrie's post, what have you ever attempted to make, and found completely unnecessary for the amount of work you put in? In other words, what short cuts do you justify?
For mind I'd say artichoke hearts, and frozen chopped spinach for MOST recipes - it's not that much effort, I just hate how messy it can be to make it fresh.
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91 Comments:
My husband always commented that he found it ridiculous that his parents grew potatoes and onions when they were so inexpensive at the store. Then again, guess who's chore it was to weed the garden!
dhorst at 10:27AM on 12/04/08
Puff pastry. It is a labor of love. It is easier just to buy some. It tastes the same.
JerzeeTomato at 10:28AM on 12/04/08
I totally agree about the puff pastry and the artichoke hearts. Also, I'm not above using frozen pearl onions - cleaning the fresh ones is such a pain. I rarely use frozen spinach, though.
Junie at 10:32AM on 12/04/08
Puff pastry for sure. Women in my family have always made it from scratch, I've done it with their guidance when I was little, never wanted to repeat the experience when I grew up - much easier and faster to just buy it, and it does taste the same.
I also always keep frozen spinach handy.
brooke29 at 10:39AM on 12/04/08
Sushi. It always ends up being cheaper and tastier (and neater) when I buy it.
Kerosena at 10:44AM on 12/04/08
definitely puff pastry --
I disagree on the artichoke hearts though. Even the frozen ones don't have that same texture as a freshly cooked one, dipped in drawn butter....nom nom nom
juliebugsmama at 10:44AM on 12/04/08
stock.
spartana07 at 11:02AM on 12/04/08
Stock, Artichoke Hearts (soooo not worth the carnage), Puff pastry
bitchincamero at 11:06AM on 12/04/08
Puff pastry for me, too. Making it at home is just not worth the hassle.
StripeyChef at 11:11AM on 12/04/08
yogurt. patches of star's goat milk yogurt at the union square greenmarket tastes better than mine and is cheaper than when i do it myself.
french bread. the french don't make their bread at home, so why should i?
jam. i loved doing it when i tried it, but mine doesn't turn out nearly as well as the ones i like to buy. trader joe's boysenberry preserves and duarte's ollalieberry are my favorites. some day i'll splurge on a jar of june taylor.
cybercita at 11:23AM on 12/04/08
definitely stock, and I agree on sushi. I make it, and even if it's good and pretty, it's just too expensive and too time consuming. mmmm. . . now I want some sushi.
csbrown at 11:24AM on 12/04/08
I love Campbells bean with bacon soup. Thought I'd try making it from scratch.Smoked ham, navy beans soaked over night,onion ,celery, ,minced ;cooked for hours at a simmer. Results; It tasted exactly like Campbells bean with bacon soup!LOL.
snorri at 11:27AM on 12/04/08
Ohh, snorri, I'm with you. When I make black bean soup, it's never what I need it to be. Easier to order in a restaurant.
Kerosena at 11:32AM on 12/04/08
Stock, yogurt, pizza dough (supermarket bakery dough is very good) and yeah puff pastry is a big pain in the ass and store bought is just as good. I make soup once in a while, but nobody here really is in to it that much, so a couple of cans of Progresso is always in the pantry.
finsbigfan at 11:35AM on 12/04/08
stock is just a giant pain to make. I sometimes make soup for us to eat but I am w finsfan I always have canned soup in the pantry.
love2cook at 11:40AM on 12/04/08
Just my humble opinion, but I feel EVERYTHING is better homemade, and well worth the effort, if you have the time.
When I don't have the time, freezer puff pastry is close to homemade. And, I agree about frozen spinach -- if it's organic, it's the best deal in the grocery store!
Brownie at 11:43AM on 12/04/08
pasta, phyllo, puff pastry
Keight at 11:51AM on 12/04/08
I tried to make gefilte fish once...what a nightmare and the house smelled for weeks!!! That is definitely an item that's easier and better when store bought.
KateRuby at 12:17PM on 12/04/08
Pasta
Phyllo/puff pastry
But stock? Really? I've only recently started making it, and that was because I thought it better than throwing that stuff away; chicken carcass from roast chicken, the tops to various greens like beets or carrots and other random veggies lying around on their last legs.
Put all in pot, cover with water, wait a few hours. The stock always comes out better than whatever organic stock I buy in a box, costs practically nothing considering I was going to junk the chicken and veggie scraps. I said to myself that I'd never go back to buying stock because what I can make cheaply always tastes better.
Was surprised to see stock on this list.
jonathankavner at 12:19PM on 12/04/08
Puff is a no-brainer... pastry has never been my strong suit anyway (some of you may remember my past pie crust issues... thanks for the therapy!)...
Always, always, always have good quality frozen chopped baby spinach on hand. The so-called fresh stuff usually isn't and we go through an average of two pounds a week. So around here, running out of that is like running out of milk or eggs. Not a good thing.
For that matter, any frozen greens make me happy. I'm fortunate that my local stores carry some very nice ones, since I detest the tedium and amount of time required to clean and chop enough mustard (or chard or collards or whatever) to fill a 12-quart stock pot, only to have them cook down to barely enough for four people. It's so disheartening. And it makes my elbow hurt.
Flour tortillas (although I do by the uncooked ones and toast 'em as I go). Making them from scratch on a regular basis is just not practical for me.
Pumpkin when it's going to be used in pies or bread.
Beef stock. Once in a great while for a really special dish, but mostly NOT worth it for me. A couple boxes of Kitchen Basics are in the pantry at all times. I do chicken and vegetable stocks regularly, but not beef.
LoCo at 12:20PM on 12/04/08
yogurt!
tracyw at 12:25PM on 12/04/08
Most dried pastas, although I make the filled ones and some fresh ones. Tortillas are hit and miss, but I mostly buy them because they're good, made in a local store, cheap, and usually being used for leftovers on a rushed day. And while we're on tortillas, I've never made my own masa, although I might try it one of these days.
Ketchup, mustard, relish, peanut butter. Jams and jellies. Pickled herring, and most other pickled things.
I made puff pastry once, and will probably do it again, but I don't use it often enough to declare either way.
Butter. I've made it, but only for special reasons. I couldn't see bothering to make batches of butter for my regular cooking uses.
Beer, wine and other alcoholic beverages, although I do sometimes make fruit liquors, which pretty much means that I dump fruit and sugar into votka and let it sit. So that's not exactly a complicated process.
I'm with you on the spinach. It's not the chopping, it'll all the cleaning to get the sand out, and then it cooks down to nothing. With the frozen, it's easier to see how much I'm getting.
And the artichoke hearts, too. I never see them at a great enough sale price to buy them to make enough hearts to make it all worthwhile. So in that case, it's price more than convenience.
Also, I like the frozen brocolli crowns at Sam's better than most of the fresh brocolli that I get, even from the farmer's market. Maybe it's the growing conditions here, but fresh brocolli is just hit and miss as to whether it's going to be really good or not. In that case, it's not that it's easier, it's that the frozen are a better and more consistent quality.
Corn off the cob. Two years ago, I got a huge burlap sack of corn at the farmer's market and spent the time cutting it off the cob and freezing it. Made some as creamed corn. Yeah, it was good, but it took a lot of time and then I had a huge amount of cobs and husks and mess left to clean up afterward. I might do it again some day, but meanwhile I'm fine with buying it frozen or (gasp!) canned.
dbcurrie at 12:29PM on 12/04/08
Totally disagree about the stock. It's fun to make, tastes way better home made, and it makes my whole apartment smell great while it bubbles away.
simon at 12:52PM on 12/04/08
Iced animal cookies.
Also, sourdough bread -- specifically starters. I tried nurturing a Herman sourdough starter, but the love just wasn't there and I dumped it out on Day 5. We have a really good bakery down the street.
AnnaCG at 1:05PM on 12/04/08
Curry paste
erinlovestoeat at 1:34PM on 12/04/08
@Anna, google for Oregon Train Sourdough, and check out Carl's web page. You send them a stamped return envelope and they will send you dried starter. Mine's been going for years, and even after a lot of neglect and abuse, it's still unkillable. And tasty. Even if you don't use it often, you might enjoy trying it.
The Herman sourdough is an interesting science project, but if you're starting with commercial yeast, you'll never get a real sourdough. And there's no need for the rest of the stuff. I've cultured my own starter using nothing but flour and water.
dbcurrie at 1:41PM on 12/04/08
I agree with puff pastry, and though I tried to make a wild yeast sourdough starter, it didn't work. I've found that Buitoni refrigerated pesto sauce is as good as any I've ever made.
MMinNYC at 2:10PM on 12/04/08
Olives . . .
ctillman at 2:27PM on 12/04/08
Roasted chicken - the $4-6 bucks for a big juicy one at the grocery store sure beats paying for a chicken, then prepping it and roasting it, etc.
omnomnom at 2:33PM on 12/04/08
Pumpkin puree - I peeled, cooked down and pureed two large pumpkins last year then froze it for making pies. When I made pies using it, I found that it tasted the same as the canned pumpkin and didn't have the same beautiful deep color. Never again!
debralu at 3:27PM on 12/04/08
Love.
just kidding.
juliebugsmama at 4:04PM on 12/04/08
Other than puff pastry, it seems like it really comes down to the individual. I saw various breads mentioned a few times, but baking bread from scratch is my absolute favorite thing to do...and it's taking every fiber of willpower I have to not start screaming about the difference between good homemade pizza dough and store-bought junk...just search for Peter Reinhart here on SE.
Anyway...yes, there are some culinary experiences I don't need to repeat, but..well, there's that whole "the journey is the fun part" crap.
lawofmurphy at 5:13PM on 12/04/08
@lawofmurphy, I'm with you on the bread. I'd bake bread every day, just for fun, if someone would eat it that fast for me. And the best thing is that I can have any shape and flavor I want, without running from store to store and finding out that they've sold out of caraway rye or baguettes for some mysterious reason.
And homemade pita bread is soooooo good.
My mother-in-law's eyeballs almost fell out when I told her that two days before Thanksgiving, I made bread and cornbread specifically to use it for stuffing.
dbcurrie at 5:53PM on 12/04/08
sourdough... I just can't seem to make it taste good.
watchforbears at 7:22PM on 12/04/08
Completely disagree about the stock! Not utilizing a whole chicken when you buy it to make stock in my mind is a waste of food (maybe I'm just too cheap to shell out 4.99 for a little container of organic stock when I already have a chicken).
Dinner rolls. I homemade dinner rolls for Thanksgiving this year and it wasn't worth it. The turned out too dense and not even as good as store bought rolls. Actually, any bread making is a waste of time for me. I live in Brooklyn, we have excellent bakeries for these sorts of things.
midgepingleton at 7:26PM on 12/04/08
@juliebugs...
8-O
LoCo at 7:47PM on 12/04/08
Indian food. I tried once. Never again.
Pasta, frozen veggies, veggie burgers, hot sauce and spinach.
sweethunibabi at 8:24PM on 12/04/08
tortillas. I've made my own, and honestly, i find it way easier to just buy a pack. That and a good cornish pasty. I have made them from scratch.. thay were great. Just as good as the pie shop in town that sells them for $3.
Horatio_Tyllis at 9:24PM on 12/04/08
@midgepingleton,
i make homemade rolls for the holidays, and they are divine. you're using the wrong recipe!
cybercita at 9:26PM on 12/04/08
@juliebugs,
that made me laugh out loud. as i have laryngitis at the moment, it was more of a pathetic squeak.
cybercita at 9:28PM on 12/04/08
For me stock is something I rarely make- it's not the effort, it's not the taste, it's that I live alone and so I buy veggies and meat in smaller cuts and it's too hard to save up enough scraps to make a pot of stock. (I am thinking of getting a small chest freezer and that my change my mind as I can keep a bag of scraps frozen in it.)
I also buy frozen peas and corn off the cob, butter, yogurt, and I sometimes I buy bread, sometimes I make it myself.
cmtigger at 9:57PM on 12/04/08
I agree with the poster who said Indian food. I love, love, LOVE Indian food and go to my favorite Indian restaurant every week. So I got the bright idea to buy an Indian cookbook and have DIY Indian. I had to buy about 10,000 ingredients, my dishes did NOT taste like the restaurants, and my house reeked for days! Not a good idea. So it's back to my favorite Indian place every week. I had told the owner (whom I have developed a friendship with) of my plans and when I went back the next week he asked how it went. When I told him, he howled! He really thought it was funny.
gourmetgal at 11:32PM on 12/04/08
cmtigger, i live alone and make excellent vegetable stock thusly: sweat a couple of onions and chopped garlic in some olive oil with salt, pepper, thyme, and red pepper flakes until transparent. add a tablespoon of nutritional yeast, cook a couple more minutes, add a handful of chopped parsley and a chopped carrot, cook a few more minutes, and add a couple of bay leaves and water to cover. simmer for half an hour, then strain. you will have a rich, delicious stock. the nutritional yeast is a tip i picked up from edward espe brown. it makes the stock nice and deep, not weird tasting at all.
cybercita at 12:20AM on 12/05/08
let's see.... what is worth it has recently changed since now I am (finally) done with school and have a job and am an "adult" and whatnot, and now have more time to explore cooking...
artichoke hearts
hearts of palm
pasta
stock (because I don't use it often enough to warrant making it, and when i make chicken it's usually boneless breasts)
bread (because I don't eat bread too often, and when I do I like challah rolls)
sausage
puff pastry
salsa (sometimes I will make it, but often I use it in cooking, and then pre-made is fine - whole foods brand mango salsa is really really yummy!)
hummus (usually)
yogurt (and for that matter, throw cheese and butter in there)
jam
peanut butter (or other nut/seed butter)
most condiments (ketchup, mustard, relish, etc)
i'm sure there is more, i just can't think of it now!
NYCEater at 8:27AM on 12/05/08
oh, i forgot to add that when i have a place where i have room for a bread machine, i will probably start making my own bread (because then i will most likely not be living alone, so i won't have to worry as much about the bread getting stale).
NYCEater at 8:32AM on 12/05/08
I agree with puff pastry and tortillas, but not stock. I find it is unbelievably better than boxed. I sometimes freeze the bones/scraps till I have enough. Also, never forget to tt your local butchers. I once asked about buying bones and scraps for stock, and the woman gave me some soon-to-expire short ribs for well more than half off. Best beef stock I had.
KB in Toledo at 9:45AM on 12/05/08
I forgot one - pickled daikon radishes. I thought something had crawled into my fridge and DIED.
I didn't think about condiments but that isn't a bad point. We made our own ketchup once out of desperation, and while good, it's just not the same thing.
csbrown at 10:10AM on 12/05/08
Pancake batter... I don't know. I'm usually just cooking for myself and all that measuring and mixing feels unnecessary when I can just add water to a mix.
LHSK12 at 10:21AM on 12/05/08
In my case: pasta. It's soo cheap and just way better than my attempt at homemade.
Chew on That at 10:59AM on 12/05/08
I agree with the pumpkin puree. I did the exact same thing bought a fresh pumpkin, baked it, skinned it pureed it and made a pie with it. I fully expected everyone to RAVE about how fresh it tasted and how it was the best pie the ever had at which point I would regale my guests with my extra effort. Instead no one said a thing and I even had to admit, it tasted the same a canned :(
Oh well live and learn! Puff Pastry is another item I completely agree with.
Martini Me at 12:10PM on 12/05/08
Pizza. I know it is rather easy to do but I feel like by the time I get around to finally finishing a pie, I just don't have the will to eat it. I would rather just go some where and get a good pie and relax.
FrostyGhost at 1:06PM on 12/05/08
Those of you who have given up on fresh pumpkin (I'm with you) should try sweet potatoes. There are plenty of sweet potato pie recipes out there that can easily take the place of pumpkin at the holidays. It will taste just different enough to make people take notice, but not enough that anyone will know it isn't pumpkin if they haven't had it before.
I'll vote for pasta. It may be worth it for VERY special occasions, but 99% of the time I'd rather focus on the sauce and sides.
CJSchmidt at 1:11PM on 12/05/08
It truly depends on how good you can cook/bake it yourself, and how much you enjoy doing so. I buy bakery bread (sourdough, brioche, ciabatta), yogurt, eat sushi/japanese food out. I like to roast my own pumpkin for pie, and I do like to make my own puff pastry.
dettling05 at 1:23PM on 12/05/08
INSTANT ramen!
RedVelvetBoba at 2:42PM on 12/05/08
Mayo! I'm one of the weird ones who prefers Miracle Whip over the real thing. Why waste a cup of olive oil for something that will go unfinished and perish at the end of the week, when you can buy a gigantic jar of fake-mayo that will last you months. (Or in my case....weeks.)
Miracle Whip is not entirely a purists' condiment, but even if I did prefer real mayo, I'd still buy it instead of painstakingly making it.
Food Monstar at 2:50PM on 12/05/08
About pizza, if you are going to make a pizza do it right and make the dough. (I love the Yeastie Boys burping.... that was my favorite Good Eats.) Otherwise, buy a pizza.
As for the original question, there have been a lot of good answers... Breads. While I enjoy the making of bread, its not something I am willing to do for a quick grilled cheese sandwich.
Plus to add to the list, drinks.... juices, lemonade, chai... while I can make them, they dont seem much better than premade, but they seem more expensive and using products I would rather use elsewhere.
blizcheetah at 12:49AM on 12/06/08
Pasta, whole berry cranberry sauce, orange extract and emulsions, puff pastry, and stock are some of the items I'll buy to have as back up for the real deal. While I try to make most of the aforementioned from scratch, sometimes life gets in the way and you need a helping hand.
Boscompb at 1:25PM on 12/06/08
nothing can compare to home cooked stock - the bones and scraps from a supermarket roasted chicken with some aromatics gives you a quart of stock in three hours of simmering. priceless! a beef shank in the "sell by" bin is treasure not to be overlooked. too many commercial stocks add salt and phony "flavorings".
Making noodles and pizza dough is also less expensive, though you do need a pasta machine to do a professional job. An egg and 3/4 cup of flour is a lot less expensive than a prepared box or package and it's so tender.
I enjoy the prep itself on stock and noodles, but I BUY phyllo dough and puff pastry - space and skill required on both.
suegsf at 1:45PM on 12/06/08
Fried chicken...enough said.
pickled at 2:26PM on 12/06/08
bread. even the NY Times quick bread takes a few hours and it doesn't taste as good as bakery bread. I rather spend 3 bucks to buy a loaf of bread.
bionicgrrrl at 3:27PM on 12/06/08
i love to make bread. i'd like to try the pasta route but it's so easy to open a box.
dearrie at 3:40PM on 12/06/08
NYCEater - homemade bread, either no-knead bread according to the Bittman/NYTimes method, or some other kind you knead, is *a lot* better than bread-machine bread, and when you get good at it, better than what you can get even at a really good bakery.
emilydev at 11:05PM on 12/06/08
Since there's no bakery nearby except for some chains that charge way too much for a loaf, baking bread has become both hobby and habit for me. If I was really pressed for time, I might buy a loaf (I haven't since the oven has been replaced, but something could happen) but I just can't justify regularly paying $6 for a loaf of bread when I can get a 25# bag of flour for about $10. And I can have any bread any time I want it, I'm not stuck with buying what they happen to have on hand that day.
As far as stock, I've always got some in the freezer. I often make mine in the crockpot, so it's not like I even have to babysit a pot on the stove. When I put away whatever leftovers there are from a chicken, the bones and bits go into the crockpot along with whatever else is going in there, and I turn it on and let it go until the next day. It doesn't take that much more work to put the stuff into the crockpot and add water than it does to throw it in the trash.
I guess part of it is that these are things that have become so ordinary to me, I don't have to think about them, I just do them. Throwing stock ingredients together after a meal is no more complicated to me than putting the leftovers away. If I seldom made stock and I was dealing with a recipe and reading instructions and trying to be precise, I can see how it might be more of a chore.
dbcurrie at 12:36PM on 12/07/08
i hate to say this... but, good pasta sauce/gravy.
suburbangourmet at 2:50PM on 12/07/08
@db - you know, stock puzzles me the most on this list. I always make my stock in a slow cooker (other than prawn stock), have been doing this forever (have been talking about wonders of slow cooker stock/broth making forever, too:-)), and there is absolutely nothing easier than that. It requires no skill or effort whatsoever, nor does it take much time or real expense (if I buy bones for beef stock, it costs me about $2) - then again, if it's not a "natural" thing to do, it may probably seem like a bigger deal than it is. And it really isn't. On top of everything, I've never tried a store-bought stock that was as deep and flavourful as homemade (granted, I've only tried whatever my MIL buys, which may be not the best out there, but still).
brooke29 at 3:21PM on 12/07/08
@db and brooke~ I'm totally with you on the stock although I don't have a crockpot. The hardest part about it is throwing away everything you strain out. Not that hard. I personally enjoy the babysitting the stove part.
Now, if I'm at someone else's house, without access to my freezer, I like to use Pacific organic free range low sodium chicken broth. Whew-big breath.
It has good flavor and you can buy it in 32 oz carton or a little 1 cup size.
Have you noticed how often we sound like a commercial?
carolrsfMISSESTEXAS at 6:07PM on 12/07/08
Bread. Mostly because we're trying to stay as close to whole grains as possible and the only bread i've been successful with is white flour. If I could make a great 100% whole grain bread I'd totally do it.
Now, however, after reading dbcurrie's post I'm really yearning for some great sourdough! @dbcurrie, would you consider sharing the recipe? If so I'll write for the free starter. Then I just need to figure out what to do with it!
To put my 2 cents in on the stock issue, I really adore making beef stock. I love buying the bones, roasting the bones, painting the bones, simmering the bones (all w/veg of course), and lastly taking a gallon or so of the final stock and making espagnole sauce.
Forgive the rambling... I went on a beef stock, mother sauce and compound sauce rampage in the kitchen not too long ago. Had a blast! Took me all weekend, too!
nightmoon at 7:48PM on 12/07/08
Pasta, puff Pastry, puff pastry and puff pastry, pitted cherries/olives, frites,mayonnaise, yogurt, kim chee, wine, fondue, ice cream....
Come to think of it, I have made all these things or helped make them (the wine as a kid). Store bought is just more convenient, easier, less expensive blah blah blah.
I do make my own bread and pretty frequently. I prefer my own morroccan style pickled lemons and ras al hanout too. Artichokes I must say are a joy to prepare, it must be in my DNA. I always make stock with a leftover chicken carcass (I love the word carcass) but have not ever tried the beef roast 'n bone ordeal.... Sushi I make is uber good too but very very spendy! yikes.
Pointy at 1:09AM on 12/08/08
@nightmoon, I don't have a real recipe for sourdough or pretty much any other everyday bread I make. Basically, once you have a starter established and you want to make some bread, you start feeding the little bit you've got stashed away, until it fills your container happily (I use jars that are about a pint or so).
At that point, I take out the majority of the starter, leaving maybe a tablespoon in the jar. I give that a litte feed and it goes back to the fridge for a nap until I need it again.
The stuff I scooped out goes into the bowl of my kitchenaid mixer and I add water and flour, maybe tripling or quadupling the amount I have. Keep in mind that none of this is measured, and I really don't think precision is important, because all you've got is flour and water, and it's just going to be more or less goopy. The looser it is, the faster it will rise, so if it's pretty lively, I tend to make a stiffer dough so it won't blow itself out of the container overnight.
The next day, I proceed to make bread using my usual haphazard methods. I add more water and flour to get the right consistency, and I knead it in the kitchenaid. I always add salt -- about a teaspoon. And I usually add some oil -- about a tablespoon or two -- but not always.
On average, I make a loaf of bread or a dozen dinnner rolls at a time, and use about 2 1/2 - 3 cups of flour to one cup of water. Since the sourdough is built in stages, the flour and water don't get measured at all, but I end up with a loaf of about the same size and weight when I'm done. So those numbers are probably close.
I let it rise one more time, like a regular bread, then I shape it, let it rise appropriately, and bake it.
You can skip the rise after the final additions and just shape it at that point and let it rise once before baking, but after it's been around that long, it's not like I'm in a hurry.
Sometimes I add different flours besides white. I seldom add any flavorings to sourdough, though, because I really, really like plain old soudough flavor. Unlike the breads I make with commercial yeasts, I'm not as often temped to start throwing in the kitchen sink. But you can go wild and add all sorts of things -- and you can make pancakes, english muffins, and all sorts of other things with the starter, as well.
I had a rye starter from wild yeast, but it suffered a bit of an accident, and I haven't recreated it yet. The three remaining starters are all fed with plain white AP flour. If I want to add a different flour to the bread, I do that after I've transferred the starter out of the jar it lives in.
If, for some reason, you can't bake when the dough is ready, you can always punch it down and let it rise again. If you do that, it helps to give it another feeding of at least a little flour and water to keep the little yeasties happy.
You can slow down the rising by putting the dough in the fridge, and you can leave it sitting there for days, if you can't get to it. Just let it warm up and give it a little feed before you move on.
Like most other breads, you can make sourdough with very slack (watery) doughs, or you can make a stiffer dough. The wetter the dough, the more active the yeast will be, but if it's too wet, you end up with a flattish loaf because the dough can't keep the structure. A dense dough will take longer to rise, it probably won't get the big and uneven holes that some sourdough people are so in love with, but it will be easier to shape, and it should hold that shape as it bakes.
Some people say that the sign of a good sourdough is when you take it out of the oven and set it to cool, and you can hear the crust cracking. It's like rice crispies, sort of.
If/when you go to the Carl's page, you'll see his suggestions for getting the starter active, and for making bread. He probably uses actual measurements, too. :-) Just make sure you're looking at the recipe that doesn't use potato water.
If you have tap water that's heavily chlorinated, you may not want to use that, or at least let it sit overnight before you use it, so you don't kill the yeast right off the bat. My tap water has never been a problem.
Anyway, I hope that's been somewhat helpful.
dbcurrie at 2:42AM on 12/08/08
Hard cider: http://teaandfood.blogspot.com/2008/12/not-so-hard-cider.html
Aaron Kagan at 10:37AM on 12/08/08
Puff pastry, stock, baguette, and above all, macarons. Why take the carefree enjoyment out of 2 bites of bought perfection?
Kerry Saretsky at 12:32PM on 12/08/08
stock is without a doubt #1 on my "it IS worth it to make at home" - there is just NO comparison whatsoever.
but...this list. i'm trying very, very hard to change this but i'm still at the point where asking a for a ball of dough from a pizzeria is a better option than making it myself. i just never get it like they do in the local pizzeria, nevermind all the high-end pizza joints.
z911empire at 1:19PM on 12/08/08
Stock and pie crust
gammypie at 2:40PM on 12/08/08
@gammypie thumbs up
pjracz10 at 4:10PM on 12/08/08
Filo! And Puff Pastry. It's been said before but it bears repeating!
wendy6 at 9:14PM on 12/09/08
Polenta, it wore me out, stirring for the better part of an hour. Screw that.
chanterelle at 5:23PM on 12/13/08
Pasta. Boxed dried pasta is cheap and nearly as good as fresh. Also available in great variety of styles.
Pie crust. It's almost the same...and the filling is more important. Well at least for me.
wunami at 6:06PM on 12/13/08
Pumpkin
I make Pumpkin Bread way too often. I just buy it in a can.
Megw2 at 8:33PM on 12/13/08
i can't believe people really feel this way about stock! my heart hurts. and my head too.
puff pastry's the one thing i'd never make on my own on a regular basis.. i've failed too many times, and after a while it just becomes a sin to waste that much butter-glorious-butter.
MAKE YOUR OWN STOCK, PEOPLE! If you do it right then you'll realise why it's worth the difference!
w at 1:30AM on 12/14/08
egg rolls - way too time intensive
bagels - you'd have to make them often to get the technique down
pumpkin puree
puff pastry
pegfoley at 9:41AM on 12/15/08
Amen to pumpkin. During a period of righteous self-sufficiency, I bought pumpkins, cut them up (a perilous chore) and made my own (stringy, mealy) puree for pies and bread. Yuk! Good ol' Libby's every time now. As for stock, I know you can avoid all the preservatives, especially sodium, making it yourself, but there IS a kind that's better than MY homemade: Pacific Natural Foods Organic Free Range Chicken Broth - Low Sodium. Just 70 mg per cup of the salty stuff, and so help me, when rice is cooking in the boiling broth, you'd swear there was a chicken in the oven. Also if I can find it in MY little bitty town, you can, too.
expat39520 at 9:48AM on 12/15/08
tabouli is way more expensive to make yourself than buy pre made and tastes just about the same.
becomingchloe at 10:42AM on 12/15/08
@chanterelle, the secret to polenta is that you don't actually have to stir it all that often if you put it on a flame tamer, and you don't have to cook it for an hour -- 20 to 30 minutes is just fine. you can also bake it in the oven and it will turn out great.
cybercita at 11:07AM on 12/15/08
Agree with all the posters who said Stock is worth the effort for all the reasons given. Mine would be shucked oysters on the half shell. They cost almost as much un-shucked and it is so messy and hard to shuck them at home. Almost impossible to not get the little shell fragments in them. Another one would be steamed lobster. If you are not doing anythign special to the lobster, let them kill the bugger at the market for you.
FoodieTraveler at 12:25PM on 12/15/08
I can't believe anyone considers stock a problem to make, just put it in a pot and simmmer. How hard is it to strain,skim and freeze to have fresh stock for your cooking? It only costs a bit of time and is so superior to any you can find in the stores!
Puff pastry is the thing I find totally unnecessary to make yourself unless you enjoy the satisfaction that comes with making such a time consuming recipe, if so then more power to ya!
nancyromero at 12:51PM on 12/15/08
I love pasta sooooo much, but there is so much of a difference when it's fresh versus dried. If you try it you'll see what I mean.
ghc630 at 2:49PM on 12/15/08
I read everyone of these and i agree with some of them, but I sense a serious case of laziness running deep in this thread ;)
Nobody said Pâte à choux, or Crème Anglaise, which are more tedious than difficult, I remember making 200 Eclairs for a family gathering, and spending hours whipping by hand and stressing the final result was a labour of real love only to have my favorite aunt say "you could have just used vanilla pudding, nobody would have known any different", I was crushed..I would have known, but made from scratch is worth it almost 97% of the time IMO.. happy HoliDaze Everyone, Love to ya SE!!
shownotes at 3:46PM on 12/15/08
oooh and i didn't really want to disagree with ANYONE today (just today i feel agreeable)...but @becomingchloe i have to say nay to prepackaged tabouli, and tabouli should never be something you open a box and add water to...that is one dish where the effort is worth every last morsel.
:)...i'm just sayin...
shownotes at 3:50PM on 12/15/08
OK, I have to throw in the southern holiday favorite sweet potato casserole with brown sugar-pecan crust.
Bake, or nuke, the potatoes, cool, peel, haul out the trusty Kitchen Aid and mix with vanilla, sugar, etc. Chop pecans and mix streusel topping.
For the last 2 years I have been buying the St. Clair's casserole and honestly my family and I thinks it is even better than homemade.
And I appreciate the time to prepare other goodies I can't, or won't, order.
Happy holiday eatings to all.
Leeks at 8:16PM on 12/15/08
Definitely with everyone on the puff pastry... also, ladyfingers are definitely too much effort IMO. I'm very dedicated to doing everything from scratch, but those two things are too time-consuming and, more importantly, are of good quality from the grocery store.
PinkCupcake at 11:09PM on 12/15/08
Bagels
SavtaShayna at 1:26PM on 12/24/08