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Where Does the Bobby Flay Hate Come From?

Okay, he's a little cocky, but he does have skills. All the ones I've seen on TV or read about do tend to be so. I've learned a lot from his shows. But whenever I ask anyone why he's hated so, they always bring up the "Iron Chef" incident when he jumped on top of the counter after the comp was over. Someone wrote an online article called "The Staggering Dicketry of Bobby Flay", and once again, other than the aforementioned incident, I don't see it. Am I missing something?

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I love that article. The rhetorical license on that one was great.
I don't hate Bobby. He is rock and roll around here.
Not everyone is loved for what they do. Shocking I know. I also loved when he jumped on the cutting board.

I understand why Morimoto was shocked, but I mean really. People totally overreacted to that.

I'm missing it, too. As far as that incident, I chalk it up to the fact that he was young, inexperienced as far as TV, nervous, overexcited about the battle, clueless about the meaning that had in Japanese culture (he was probably clued in on common things, but leaping up on the countertop in a fit of joy probably wasn't expected), and overreacting. The way I saw it, he was relieved he finished the match and he was just being spontaneously happy and stupid. He made a mistake that would have been easily excused if he did it in the US in competition with another US chef. Morimoto forgave him a long time ago; I think it's time for people to use that incident as the single most important thing he's done as far as revealing his personality.

Some people also object to Throwdown because he challenges other chefs or cooks. However, the challenge is the premise of the show, it's not his personal attempt at obliterating all other cooks in battles to the death. And he usually loses the throwdowns, and I think that's what he tries for -- a good, new recipe that won't fit the judging criteria, so he can lose the battle. When he does win, he makes it a point to say that the other person is great, it was a whim of the judges, etc. He doesn't gloat when he wins, and when he loses, he's just as ready to say nice things about his competitor.

As a female, I've got to say that there's something appealing about Flay in terms of his "boyish charm" and the fact that he often seems a bit embarrassed and a teeny bit unsure of himself. Fer cripes sakes, I've seen him blush more than once on different shows. That's not cocky, it's cute, if you like that sort of personality. Maybe guys pick up on the fact that some women find his type to be appealing and instinctively want to trash the guy.

I think that if you looked into it, it's guys who are saying he's too arrogant and cocky with little comment about his cooking, where women will either like him because of his personality or will make their comments based on his cooking.

I love bobby and I think he is a great chef. The Japanese Iron Chef thing was a very big misunderstanding and a cultural miscue. The chef he competed against did a rematch on the new iron chef and they seem to be quite friendly. My only hate on bobby is his use of chillies. I know its his style and all, but tex-mex doesn't require that 80% of his dishes use chillies as a primary ingredient. Personally I think he is attempting to cash in on the chipolte craze. They too will retreat to the pantry soon enough for all but the most versatile and well crafted chefs along with those within a 150 mile radius of Laredo. I love bobby and I love chillies but lets taste something a little different.

I've only seen him on a few shows here and there but I must say something about him reeks of douche. I have no justification for this opinion. Don't ask.

I LOVE Bobby.
@twojoe~I understand your questioning of the chilies. But, you have to understand where you're coming from. When you're from the south/west, they are a given. It is really a part a culture and natural cuisine. I'm from San Antonio and Bobby Flay's cooking is genius. But, I don't think that's why.

I don't hate him because he jumped on the counter, I hate him because he's a one-trick-pony. He grills. I get it. Overall, I just don't like his personality. That said, I DO enjoy the softer side of him in the Throwdown series, I really believe he wants the best for the people that he is going up against. He almost seems disappointed when he wins.

I've always liked his cooking show (especially grilling on the deck). But Throwdown is a show I now avoid, ever since the program about a restaurant in VT that is famous for its lasagna. The owners, employees and customers were so friendly and welcoming to Flay and so proud of their very popular lasagna. When he won the throwdown, the look on their faces was unforgettable to me and made Flay's enjoyment of his win quite offensive. IMO the show is rude and condescending to those creative cooks, chefs, bakers and their happy customers around the country.

I know! He always seems to root for the other guy.

@annzee I don't think you saw what I saw.

I don't like the deceit. Generally the false premise that the Throwdown is based on is like the biggest thing ever to happen to the poor schlob who thinks they will have their day of glory on the food network, and then in comes Bobby to steal that promised glory away and make it all about HIS show.

Sorry - I've spent most of my life being a poor schlob, and Bobby seems too much like the Beautiful People that use poor schlobs.

I have to agree with SailorDave, sometimes he just comes across as a douche. I mean, he can obviously cook, but he just seems like a dick. Sometimes I cringe while watching Throwdown. The way he talks to his two female assistants is hard to watch; he's so snarky and cranky. I can picture him screaming at them or freaking out on them behind the scenes.

Also, I don't really care for the types of things that he cooks. If you hear the name Bobby Flay you know ancho chili peppers, grilling, blue corn tortillas (or whatever) and a few other choice items will surely be featured. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not my kind of food and he's not my cup of tea.

@BITTER - you have a good point I often think of around SE. There is a generalized hated of *most* things FN. Sometimes I understand and appreciate the comments and other times, not so much. I sometimes back off from SE for exactly that reason. While everything on FN isn't always top notch I would wager that if they didn't have a diversity of cooks and ideas they wouldn't be on. Great comments. It's a good topic.

With me it was the cutting board incident AND the attitude that created it. He lost the battle, did he not? Yet all the acrobatics and over-the-top antics were perpetrated by Flay - the loser. You didn't see Morimoto doing the Cabbage Patch or outward celebrating as the winner.

To me, putting your feet on a surface where food will go makes me want to gag. But I think putting parmesan cheese on linguini and clam sauce is punishable by death. I also can't see bread face down on a table. In my house, bread was a symbol of God and was handled with the utmost respect. As you can see, I'm HUGE on symbolism which made what Flay did all the worse.

@ Nursie - I've seen Throwdown a few times and was pleasantly surprised by it. The few eps I've seen had Flay being handed his ass by the hometown favorite. Flay himself many times admitted that his version of the food challenge item paled in comparison to the hometown champ.

FWIW, it took a while but I can now watch and appreciate Flay for his cooking skills. I think what a lot of these guys do on TV really comes back to bite them in the ass later. Let's face it, most people wouldn't watch Rocco DiSpirito boil an egg after The Restaurant debacle. His career still hasn't recovered.

I like him a lot more than I used to. My dislike of him was very strong when he first started on the food network scene, he was the stereotypical New Yorker to me, arrogant, asshole, everything about him screamed "I am a douche clown". I remember his treatment of Jackie Malouf and that made me dislike him more.

But I've warmed up to him, I've seen a bit of a douche change in him, not totally, he's still a douche, but less of the douche clown than before, maybe his wife softened him a little?

and I think those Throwdown shows are completely known by the challengers, I don't believe they are actually surprised by his showing up, I think they're just instructed to act like it, IMHO. But have a hard time watching those due to the overwhelming arrogance of who he's challenging, it completely turns me off sometimes. It pleases me when he wins, especially if the challengers are overly arrogant about their dish. The one that I absolutely can not watch again, or anything that uses her in it, is the Mac & Cheese lady, whatever her name is, I'd like to shove her head in a hot pan of her mac.

I've appreciated his cooking more now than the early years. Why always chipoltes and honey in everything?

I dont use many of his recipes but all in all I love Bobby Flay. the cutting board incident was a long time ago and from what I've seen, he had an abysmial day. cutting himself, standing almost ankle deep in water and having to use not so good electrical equipment at the same time. He is very sweet in the throwdown stuff, he doesnt talk down to his "opponents" and he gives them alot of respect, while still usually throwing the game without seeming to.

He comes off so cocky and/or grumpy. He was really annoying and rude as a judge on Next Food Network Star. He always seemed like being there was so beneath him. He's by far my least favorite Iron Chef. All the others seem to love being there and banter happily with Alton but not crabby Bobby. Maybe it's a New Yorker thing but I'm guessing it more a Bobby Flay thing.

I like the Bobby Flay Persona. I loved it when he jumped up on his cutting board the first time, and when he flung it aside and jumped on the counter the second time. I don't love it because I think he was being cocky. I dislike cocky people. I loved it because I thought Bobby showed passion for what he had done, and continues to show passion for what he still does. Bobby is a successful Chef and Brand, which you wouldn't get from being a bubbly, giggling idiot.... oh hell, ok RR and oh yes sandra lee....what was I saying?.... Anyways, getting back to Bobby, he is focused and confident...If he comes across as a little cocky, I'd say he's earned it. There are worse people with food shows and let's face it...we're talking about the FN.

For me, it's not so much about Bobby Flay "Hate", and Bobby Flay overload. My kids and I love to watch Iron Chef America, but we get annoyed that almost every visiting Chef chooses to battle Bobby. It's like, alright already, pick someone else! I also tire of his use of Chipotles and Pomegrante seeds in everything. I think he's overused and running out of new and interesting ideas. But otherwise, I respect him as a Chef.

Bobby Flay, the Neelys, Shamdra, Retchel, Paula Deen, Guy Fieri, Giada, Alton, Ina.......

You can like some of these folks all of the time, all of these folks some of the time, but you will never like all of these folks all of the time. Well, except Shamdra. I don't think I could even begin to like her.

No Bobby Flay hate here. Charlie Brown had his crush on the "little red-haired girl" once upon a time and I'm not embarassed to say that I had a TV crush on FN's "red-haired boy" in the late 90's. He possesses a certain swagger that borders on cockiness, it's true, but like a few others have mentioned, I interpret it as something else (passion, confidence, etc.). I gave up my crush when Bobby exited bachelorhood (I don't get off on coveting someone else's husband, even in fantasyland) but he's still cool in my book. Grill, baby, grill!

I happen to love Bobby Flay! He ROCKS!!

I just hate Throwdown for the aforementioned reason- People think that this is an awesome moment where all the hard work is gonna make them a star but it turns out no it's not. They will get 5 min of fame but mainly it's bobbyville.

I'm so relieved I'm not the only one that feels that way about Throwdown. I feel so badly for all those folks.........

i think he's adorable.

I wouldn't kick him out of the sack. ;-O

What izzy said :)

I think he's a cutie and has a very entertaining persona. But don't get me started on Sandra.....

i met ming bout 3 years ago. he was opening his restaurant the blue oyster and he was standing outside the boston train station handing out cookies. he's very approachable and handsome.

I wouldn't kick him out of the sack. ;-O

(getting crowded in the sack)

I just thought Iron Chef was being Iron Chef with that episode. It didn't bother me whatsoever but IronChef milked it for dramatic effect and everyone ate it up.

I don't like Flay because he is an invention and self-absorbed. He is an entertainer with good business sense. He doesn't -get- food. You see someone like Mario Batali or Bordain talk about food and you get a real sense of love and where they are coming from. In every interview with Flay you just get an arrogant ass.

But a lot of people on this board don't care about that - they care about the entertainment and the drama. Good luck with that...

I enjoy a lot of Bobby Flay's shows (particularly Throw Down and FoodNation) and he definitely has talent. I do find Boy Meets Grill and Grill It don't seem to flow. It's very choppy and the dialogue seems unnatural.

I'll say this much.... the Bobby Flay grilling with other people show whatever that is.... It's almost like the camera can't wait to pan off the guest who is grilling to get Bobby's reaction. I mean why even give the poor person a mic.

I enjoy all his shows except "Boy meets Grill" it bores me. Everything else I love to watch him.

I can't stand Bobby Flay. It's his face.... he's always smirking like a jerk and he just comes across as cocky and condescending. And I agree about Throwdown. The premise is mean. "Hey! I'm going to swoop in and challenge what you take pride in, in front of everyone in your community!" And he goes off and like marinades, and braises specialty meats for like hours and beats the hard working mom and pops store sthat can't afford to braise their dishes for hours at a time. I don't likes.

I used to want to smack the smirk off of Bobby's face. But in the last few years he has for some reason tamed down his New Yawk attitude and be come more personable. Now I don't mind him and do enjoy the Throwdown show for two reasons: 1) I often learn something from the challenged cook and 2) Bobby often goes down in flames. Yeah he does win from time to time but when he loses it's grand to see someone not TV famous show up Bobby.

Although he has branched out from his trusted blue corn, chipotle and mango salsa routine but he has nothing on Mario or Morimoto in terms of depth of skill and food knowledge/daring. Even Cat Cora and Mike Symon are pulling things out of their chefs hats that make Bobby look like the boring old chef who needs to step away from the tired classics.

Still although he's a bit jerky but boy can cook up a storm no doubt. But if I had my pick of an Iron Chef to cook for me he would be my last choice.

I LOVE Bobby Flay. I use all of his cookbooks frequently for parties. I think it's the cockiness or arrogance the we girls find so appealing.
Iz could ya PLEASE kick him out for 1/2 an hour for god's sake? I need a turn.

Guessing I might be in the minority of males here, but I'm a fan of his stuff. I tend to like so-called celebrity chefs based on how well their cooking/books/ideas can help me at home - selfish, I know, but hey. If I can steal from them, they can do a striptease while shaking babies for all I care. And Food Network would probably air it.

Anyway, my dad is a solid griller who wanted some new ideas, and I got him a Flay cookbook and a bunch of dried chiles for his birthday. The recipes always work, his food is better for it, and I'm happy. Whatever gimmicks he pulls with his producer-cultivated persona are incidental to me.

Bobby Flay is your standard issue ass-wagging little jerk who'll do anything for attention..

Now on the other hand, Morimoto, when he lost... he CRIED!!!

Wow...........Flay is nothing if not polarizing.

Does anyone have a you-are-there account of this behavior, or are you basing it mainly on his TV shows? Has anyone witnessed anything at a filming or at a food & wine festival or anything like that?

yes it's his cockiness and the arrogance that makes me wanna watch him cook. i always wanna taste his dishes.

His swagger is SOOOO HOOOOT!

i forgot about the swagger. i like the way he uses his tongs.

I love the way he uses his tongue too!!

is it him or tyler that goes to your home and shows you how to cook some dish?

I used to hate Bobby Flay. Couldn't stand his whole persona. Then I became friends with someone who worked in his kitchen. When I expressed my pity at his having to work with Flay, he was really offended. Seems his people LOVE him. He's great with the staff. He's good about mentoring, handles stress well (if he gets pissed, he has real reason) and is generally an all around good guy. So my opinion changed. Still not thrilled with his media personality, but when his actual staff totally backs him, it's something I can't argue with.

Flay can seriously cook. Honestly, anyone who can't see that simply isn't paying attention or doesn't know what they're watching. He's gifted with sauces. He doesn't just grill everything though he clearly likes getting some smoke and char into his food. He's got a thorough understanding of American food both of the South and the Southwest.

I'm not arguing anyone need like his personality though I don't have any issue with it myself. Whether one thinks his TV shows are any good is also an entirely personal thing. Whether you like the sorts of food he makes, also a personal question. People like different things. But he's talented, of that there's no question.

I just checked Flay's wins and losses on Throwdown, and he wins much less than half the time. The first season he won three out of fifteen. Most wins was season three, where he won five out of thirteen. Seems to me that if he was trying to win, his record would be a heck of a lot better than that.

I really seems to me that in every throwdown, he changes something in the "tradtional" recipe that could sabotage the win. Not that he thinks his version is better than the tradition, but I think he's really trying to give the other person the edge when it comes to the voting points

Take for example, the las episode, where he competed against a guy who makes red velvet cakes. If you haven't seen the episode and want to be surprised, don't read the rest of this paragraph. Bobby used more cocoa and less red food coloring than the the other guy. Bobby's cake was a reddish brown, the other cake was really red. One of the judging criteria was color. Seems to me that if Bobby was truly going for the win, he'd make sure his cake was a pretty red instead of weird brown. And Bobby used a buttercream frosting instead of traditional cream cheese. Howver, Flay won. His comments were that he would be ordering the competitor's cakes for his restaurant starting the next day, and that although the judges made their choice, the other guy was obviously the local winner. He had other nice comments as well.

On a rerun that I caught part of, it was a gingerbread house throwdown. Bobby's sculpture was seriously lacking. He made fun of it several times. And he lost. And he had nothing but praise for the winner. In that case, the judges liked Bobby's gingerbread cookies better, but the building ensured a loss for Flay.

If Flay won all the time, he would be a jerk. If he sabotaged his own cooking so badly that he always lost, he'd be a condescending jerk. Seems to me that he's playing this just about right. He makes a recipe that he's happy with as a recipe, but he's not going in with killer instinct to obliterate the other person's cooking.

I have to wonder, if Flay left the show, which other chef would step in and be happy to lose so often in a competition against cooks who are often just average people (as in, not trained as chefs)?

I used to be on the Flay Hate bandwagon, but recently my attitude towards him has softened for various reasons. But I know why it started and it was long before his cutting board jump.

His first program, "Grillin and Chillin" seemed to be nothing but him being a New York jerkwad condescending to the poor misguided Southern boy in his overalls. It infuriated me especially because the other guy cooked food that I would love to eat and want to cook. Whereas Bobby cooked a lot of stuff that I wouldn't put in my mouth.

Then came the whole Iron Chef incident and it only exacerbated my perception that he utterly lacked respect for other chefs. Then I saw his "Chefography" and it talked about how it was FN that wanted to play up the North vs South thing and how he really respected the other chef, it went a long way to changing my mind.

Then I read about the Throwdown thing and how the whole thing was his idea and how he wanted to use his position on FN to provide these little known but talented chefs with exposure. I had always thought Throwdown was a cruel joke - but understanding it more really changed my mind. Now I do not have so much hate. I still would not eat the vast majority of his food and think he is pretty much a one trick pony, but no longer think he is the Anti-Mario.

My parents met Flay--ran into him in Italy, where he and Mario were filming something. He was very kind and gracious to my (senior citizen) mother, so I have no bad words for Flay.

Throwdown is great, and he seems genuinely bummed out when he wins. He doesn't actually want to win and feels bad when he does. It is obvious.

I agree that he just comes off as a douche. Cocky and arrogant. Sure, he can obviously cook, but I agree that he does seem to be a one-trick pony.
I met him too and he was similar to his television personality- standoffish and generally acting as if he were too good.

I think Throwdown is tasteless and mean, and I don't watch. I do like his grillin show. I completely missed the Tom Cruse-like jumping incident and it's aftermath of chatter, apparently. Iron Chef America bores me. I like the Japanese version. Thank you Fine Living Network!

Austin loves Bobby Flay (or at least the people here that I know).

The Iron Chef "jumping" incident was on the original (in fact SO original it was in Japanese) version of the show. I believe he was the first American chef to be invited on. (This was addressed in his "Chefography" on FN)

I agree, he WAS pretty obnoxious on "Grillin' and Chillin'" his first FN series. While that was likely partly chef-ego, I suspect it was MOSTLY FN marketing his chefi-ness. I mean look how Emeril turned out! "BAM" indeed.

On Throwdown, Flay seems to take on a "doomed to fail" attitude and except for his entrance-strut onto the cooking field (wonder what would happen if nobody recognized him?) seems pretty humble and gracious.

Heck, maybe the guy has matured or slipped out from under the thumb of his handlers. Let's face it, FN definitely looks to "brand" it's people. Giada "the Bombshell with Boobs", Paula "the Southern-Aunt-Dipstick with Personality" and Alton Brown "the Ecletctic but Funny, Nut-Job Professor" etc. Some misdirected sense of marketing I suppose. They're desperate to pull in an audience but don't quite seem to have the hang of it. Sandra Lee? Don't get me started.

I he comes across as cocky, or arrogant, but I think he is a good cook (then why don't I EVER make any of his recipes??).
His NYC restaurants are AWFUL, bad service and geared towards the tourist crowd.
I don't hate him at all, I like that he is good at promoting himself.

Now, Rachael Ray and Sandra Lee are another story.
Stacey Snacks

Do y'all know that this thread has had just as many responses as our most recent Sandra Lee thread? Albeit more positive.

For anyone who has actually *worked* in a restaurant, they know that kitchen staff are not the nicest people in the world. The profession at all levels tends to encourage brutish personalities in the workplace, but especially at the supervisor or chef level. Things that would get you fired instantly anywhere else, like nightly profanity-laced tirades, are business as usual for the kitchen staff.

So I think the Bobby Flay hate either comes from people who've never worked in a restaurant and therefore aren't accustomed to the brutish personality type, or people who have worked in a restaurant, see the shades of douchebaggery Bobby Flay tries to repress, and resent him greatly for it.

I've only known him (not in a biblical sense, just a didn't have cable or time to watch sense) for a few years and I like him. I like his cooking show, but Throwdown - not so much. Those things are always scripted, but it doesn't feel right, regardless. He uses hot spices and chilies in nearly every segment and I can't eat those foods, so I won't be buying his cookbooks - guessing his restaurants focus on those ingredients also? I think he probably came across as cocky when he was the new boy, but is now seasoned and more experienced. I thoughy his wife was kind of cocky when she was younger and I like her now, too.

Yeah, I don't get it either. He seems like the "All-American" guy and have you ever seen him around his beautiful wife? He ADORES her!

Oh, I forgot that he can cook also.......

PLUS he LOVES his mother-in-law. Now come on.....

I think hate is too strong a word for someone whom I 've never met. Just chalk me up as someone who's just not a big fan.

He comes across as one of those trendy hoidy toidy types. Arrogant and cocky. A smug arsehole to be exact. Still, some of his dishes look great, and 'Throwdown' isn't all that bad of a show.

Throwdown is a completely pretentious, ego stroking concept. Break it down to the following:
- The FN cons people into preparing their staple dish under false pretenses of a special show.
- Flay than spends an afternoon making his version of the dish.
- Flay ambushes the individuals on a show they were deceived about doing and issues the throwdown.

This is so egotistical because he puts himself in a win/win situation. If he loses, he was competing against a lifetime of single dish experience. If he wins, he practically invalidates a lifetime of experience with an attitude of 'can't be too hard, i cooked that up in one afternoon'.

Either way, it's cocky and degrading to the person who is ambushed.

Oh, and Bar American is a terrible restaurant... And so there's not too much hate, Mesa Grill is my favorite place for brunch and I used to frequent, but Throwdown turned me off to the douche bag.

@dearrie--are you thinking of the Take Home Chef? That's Curtis Stone, and I'd kick Bobby Flay out of the sack in a heartbeat to make room for Curtis!

@buffy ~ Good. I can have him all to myself now!!

@buffy- it could be, but i thought it was bobby or tyler.

Jamie Oliver is MY Take Home chef. I mean wait, what?

Come ON iz! Share!
Tyler Florence goes to people's houses too. I think it's Food 911 where he helps you with a dish you had trouble with. He's yummy. I guess if izzy's going to be selfish, I'll just keep Tyler.
Or we could alternate days...

I'll think about it.

If we trade, you still never have to get out of bed...

I don't know TEXIE, Tyler reminds me too much of my brother. :-O

The foodies hath spoken - Flay is a polarizing but interesting chef/food show host.

Eeeeewww....
Sigh then I'll keep Tyler.
OH! What about Alton? He's cute in a nerdy, smart way...

wait. i want tyler.

What about Michael Chiarello?

No one wants Danny Boome?

Oh, wait, I don't either, and I'm usually a sucker for accents.

@BITTER ~ I like Michael, but he is not a big presence. So I guess not. Poor Michael.....

@db ~ Where the hell did he come from!

@izatrytI like Michael - I call him Chi-Chi. There is something endearing about his prissiness.
@db - Danny Boome is annoyingly spastic.

@BITTER ~ Well now, Chi-Chi works for me. i am going to reconsider!

I was surprised that Michael had a wife.
I like his food and parties though.

The fact that this post has generated so many strong opinions speaks for the fact that no one is turning Flay off when one of his shows airs. He's got the whole package: boyish charm, restaurenteur, a dose of cockiness (look at Top Chef for REAL cocky), humble when he needs to be (which is scripted by FNTV on Throwdown). He has a beautiful wife/ actress who he rarely trots out for ratings, just to make him more like a real person. Apparently his restaurants are successful. I don't re-create his recipes, but I absolutely have learned about chilis, peppers and their integration into our everyday cuisine.

Michael Chiarello featured his wife and family on several shows. He created an anniversary dinner for his wife which they shared on camera. He did a bake sale for charity with his daughter, and filmed the whole thing. I miss old Food Network, but I love Bravo and Fine Living.

I think he is a wonderful, creative chef who is also a very savvy businessman. Saw him at a food and wine show last spring and - wow, just wow- he is even cuter in person! And, he loves his wife! It doesn't get any better than that.

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