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how to handle food police relatives

How does one gracefully handle Thanksgiving guests (they're family, which makes it worse and harder to handle) who are self-appointed food snobs/police/health fanatics?

They're staying for three lonnngggg days, if that makes a difference, and will be poking around my fridge and pantry. I'm already a stressed-out wreck just thinking about it.

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Oh man i think you are me as I have highly critical family members(20 of them!) coming for 3 days and I cleaned the fridge and freezer and made sure it was neat and made sure the pantry was tidy. Just remember it is just for a few days and they will be gone. Try to cover your basis- for the health fan make something low fat (a sin) for the snob if you know something they love make it and they will be so glad to like something they may shut up.

Wine is also more the a flavor enhancer. Just smile and think only 3 more days till they leave!

luv2cook

The thing that always worked for me with my harshest critic was to remember that if I was annoyed, the other person won. Rather than getting into discussions that would ultimately lead to arguments, I responded in ways that couldn't be argued with. Things like: That's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I'll look into that later. Oh, really? How nice. I'll check that out with (my doctor/accountant/therapist) later.

Of course, there were times when the right buttons were pushed, and I argued back, but after a while I got better at not arguing. And after a while it got to be kind of fun to see the other person trying to annoy me, and me not taking the bait.

Of course, if you aren't arguing back, that's when they think you've lost your mind or are on drugs, but that's okay, too.

Hide all the good stuff and fill the pantry with Spam, Vienna sausages and as much strange, unhealthy stuff as possible. Tell them you are eating low on the hog. If you can't win, you may as well have a little fun!

Gracefully? Would they miss you if you checked into a hotel?

I've been there and my deepest sympathy goes out to you. I used to host my family and my ex-husband's family. My family was loving, helpful, perfect. His was critical, caustic, mean-spirited, argumentative. To top it off, my MIL was very hard of hearing so she yelled. I used to try to think of outings to get them away from the house. Thanksgiving day parades, football games, reenactment of Washington crossing the Delaware, Black Friday shopping, Good Friday shopping (just kidding on that one), take the grandchildren to.......movies, park, grocery, mall, Disney World. I would stay home (poor pitiful me got left behind to sing and dance like a butterfly and cook.....hehe). Card games kept them occupied, too.

I will tell you that I kept my mouth shut and ended up in tears in my room a few times, but they didn't know they hurt my feelings or made me angry. It's been a long time now, and I don't regret it. I could have used some support from my husband, but it's water under the bridge. I treasure the memories of those holidays and I'm glad it never turned into a fight. I'd advise you to try to keep them otherwise occupied, focus on what you need to do and ignore ignorance & pettiness while wearing your best smile. You may actually have a great time. Happy Thanksgiving!

@LearP ~ "low on the hog" LOL out loud! The worst thing I ever saw on a Thanksgiving table was liquid margarine. She could stock up on that and lots of lard. (Keep your receipts!)

I don't think I'll have snobs around, but my plan should make anyone's day go well. I plan to run 5k first thing. Then, I will drink and eat my way through the day, even as I'm preparing the meal. Also, I plan to make activities for the kids that should engage and entertain all the grown ups.

Whatever happened to good manners and politeness? Oh, wait, this is family. Yeah, that can be difficult. Short of moving to another hemisphere or joining the witless protection program, you're pretty much stuck with visits from family.

Good luck.

I'd provoke them by intentionally stocking things that food snobs disapprove of. Don't actually serve any of it. Then watch them go crazy over stuff for three days.

Family or no, I'm with dbcurrie.

Tell each of them, as sweetly as you are able, that you've put a lot of work into the meal, and that you prefer to be alone in the kitchen. Before dining, supply them with ingredient lists of all the dishes, and ask them to make their choices accordingly; to those who come up with comments such as 'You could have used olive oil instead of bacon fat, and it would be healthier/more sophisticated/etc', smile, and explain that all the dishes were prepared according to treasured recipes that mean a good deal to you as they stand.

We like to take our guests for a long hikes in hilly terrain. It wears them out and so they're much more grateful for whatever you serve. Bring some hot chocolate and a snack for the hike and you should be a hero. And those who complain...maybe they'll lost on the way back and you won't have to worry about them on Thanksgiving Day.

Move further away.

I live over 4,000 mi from my nearest relative/friend I get visitors once a year and they stay at a hotel. Oh wait, my husband's friends and relatieves are 1,500 mi away, but they never visit.

We don't have extremely critical relatives or friends because they wouldn't dare. My husband told his father if he ever visited and got surly, he'd drop him off downtown and drive off. And he seriously would too. He has done it to his friends. His mother has stayed with us for a few days. She's fine.

You've all made me smile this morning - thank you!

It's not like I've got Paula Deen pinup photos on my fridge - it's just that these folks lecture, roll their eyes and make groaning noises about standard pantry fare like kosher salt ("Those HUGE grains! My gawd!"), butter ("Didn't Mom's triple bypass teach you ANYthing??...."), and then there's all those carbs. The entire meal degenerates into discussion about food, nutrition and health. ("Hey, want some guilt to go with that stuffing??") I'm all for good health, but on this day I think it's ok to feast on special dishes in reasonable amounts so life isn't so bleak. That's why it's called a feast!

My SIL hates to cook but is the Family Fitness Guru. (I usually don't bond well with people like that.) I'm just gonna make sure we get the wine box with the spigot and keep that girl's glass full. And yes, park the crudite platter in front of her so she's happy.

one word sweetie ALCOHOL !! I'm lucky I dont have family and SO's family doesnt cook and are all in awe of anything i do in the kitchen.

moibec,

One of the things that I found works for me when my wife's family is around for holiday meals is that I cook for *ME*, not for them. I recall one year, my SiL and her husband to be made a wonderful mother's day dinner for my MiL and the only thing that she could say was "there should have been pilaf, it's not really dinner without pilaf". Ever since then, when I do family holiday meals, even if it is not part of my menu, I make a single cup of pilaf and place it RIGHT in front of her plate as a reminder of her comment.

After being with my wife for going on 12 years , her family has learned that the kitchen is my domain, I used to cook professionally, and if they are being invited over for a meal, that the best thing they can do is offer to help with the clean up. The food is being taken care of. If they aren't happy with things that I am cooking, they don't need to eat them. I tend to make enough different foods that everyone can find something they enjoy. If someone leaves my table hungry it is their own fault, not mine.

Alan

Leave town immediately

a short, brief announcement like: hey, this is my ###kng house, and
please show some respect you a__holes!

just kidding.

have fun.... been there. whenever my MIL comes and sticks her nose into everything and criticizes i politely lead her to a chair and ask her to relax and enjoy herself. she kind of gets the hint. a lot of people
from that generation are used to being in control of everything, which i respect them for.... but they have to learn how to respect everyone elses space, also.

Haha! I'm very food neurotic, I think, but I love butter! It is both a sad and happy truth of life that everything is better with butter!

First of all--you are the host. You are not running a restaurant. If someone doesn't feel comfortable eating what the host serves, health-wise, it's not their job to be an impromptu dietician.

With me, I'm usually on the other end--I don't eat a lot of what my stepmother cooks or serves, and she often complains to my father loudly that I'm not eating what she slaved to make--I would never dream of passing comment on what was served, though.

If they're a pain in the ass, I would say very firmly, that this is what you keep in YOUR house, but as guests, you'd be happy to direct them to the supermarket if they need anything that you don't normally keep.

So long as you don't force-feed them, you have no reason to feel bad. They are grown-ups and can get cereal and have that if that is what they want. And no one, I repeat, no one is dietarily 'without sin'--everyone has hang-ups and if they were really comfortable about how they eat, they wouldn't talk about it so much.

I'm with huneybumper on this one!

I go with the keep them neutral as db suggested. I have family visiting often and I just let them go on with their opinions and basically nod and ignore. It is a bit tougher when it's my dad. As he has gotten older, he doesn't care what he says. That's where the wine comes in! ;-D

Moibec - my heart goes out to you! I think everyone is right to suggest that you resist arguing back as much as possible -- these people just want attention, and as my mom always says, negative attention is still attention. Don't give it to them! There's no excuse for this kind of rudeness, don't reward it.

Invite them to bring their own foods (or direct them to the nearest health food store when they arrive) if they don't like what you're serving. HeartofGlass is right -- you're not forcing anyone, they can provide for themselves if they're not happy with what you're giving them.

And if it all gets to be too much, leave them there to fend for themselves and come on over to our place :)

Maybe it's just me, but I don't associate with people who get enjoyment out of pushing buttons ... family or otherwise, which is why I don't have anything to do with a few family members. I've never understood why people put up with crap just because they're "family". Noone should feel uncomfortable in their own home, especially on such a wonderful day as Thanksgiving.

Yeah, I'm with caramel. I don't put up with it. I don't argue or let my buttons get pushed. If you turn out to be a poor guest, you don't get invited back - family or not.

Okay, I hate to say this, but I am one of those picky, healthy eaters that sometimes has a hard time with some of the Thanksgiving "set menu". *However*, first, I never really get together with my extended relatives over the holidays (no one in my family is really that close), so I am usually just with my parents and they understand totally and are getting to be the same, since they are both pre-diabetic now. Also, I never EVER expect any special accomodations, and can always find *something* to eat. The turkey is the best part anyway, so I can easily fill up on that alone! Actually, could eat my weight in turkey if I had the chance. And if nothing else, I know (and so should your relatives) that it's just one day. I can be horribly, unbelievably unhealthy and indulgent for one day (okay, two, if you count Christmas) a year...no problem. :)

southern comfort splashed in hot tea has always been my route when it comes to crappy family at holiday gatherings.

well, it's probably more appropriate to say hot tea splashed in soco....

OMG you guys are all cracking me up!
@gastronomeg Could you be from Texas? Thank god for egg nog. Splashed in Southern Comfort, of course.
@moibec, I'm sorry that it has to be hard for you, my guess is you're the nice one in the family. I think some of us could have given you some hard-a** lessons. Then again, that's why you're the nice one.
Once, my mom's cousin and his family came to visit from CA. (They only buy foreign cars my parents will only buy American, you get the idea). In order to make sure they would be comfortable, my parents got them a hotel room in this quaint little hotel in town. The next morning when asked how they slept they scoffed and complained bitterly. Next she went to the refrigerator for a snack and loudly said "OMG, who eats Miracle Whip?!"
I was standing there and already annoyed for my father, who was keeping his mouth shut out of respect for my mother. I looked at her and said the people who are being undeservedly kind to you this week. I'm not as nice as my mother.
I wonder if I have a point to this story.
Maybe someone else in the family can help you out.
With my family, we drink. And we have fun and enjoy each other. And yes, there is Plenty of sarcasm.
With my husbands family, we keep alcohol in our room. It helps.

You could also put on a Gordon Ramsey mask and tell to get the bleep out of the kitchen or have them put on an apron and help out. !

My answer is quick and easy but you won't like it. Quit inviting them. Holidays happen too infrequently to sacrifice such limited celebration days to the gods of "appropriateness."

I often wonder why people insist on surrounding themselves with others who inspire peptic ulcers. And I don't care that "they're family." That doesn't make what they do right - and it should not be tolerated. You would not continue to invite a baffoon neighbor over and there's no good reason to let someone ruin a holiday because they happen to be of your bloodline.

You could begin in a kinder and gentler way - with a warning. The next time one of your relatives decides to throw a wet blanket over your beautifully prepared dinner, you might want to let him or her know that future invitations will not be forthcoming if that behaviour continues. If someone makes a remark about how rich the food is - you might offer the response, "We don't eat like this all the time, this is a holiday celebration." If the verbal crap continues, you can add, "Well, then if this menu does not meet with your approval, I suggest you find another venue for your holiday next year."

And no, I'm not kidding.

Today, in town, I decribed this post to the woman who cuts my hair and the florist. Both are wonderful women, young enough to be my daughters. One muttered something about alcohol, and the other said that when she had been a server at a local resort, she used to go into the cooler and cry when she had a nasty customer. By the time she was too cold to stand it anymore, she'd regained her compusure. I had also discovered the drastic temperature change technique one Thanksgiving. I had planned the menus for all the meals and prepped in advance, because, well because nobody else would. The morning of the holiday, brother-in-law said he didn't "feel" like he wanted what I was offering. He persuaded his wife that she also didn't feel like what was offered. They felt like having soft boiled eggs! He knew I never cook them. I volunteered to get everything out and let him have at it. This went well, until I proudly pulled out the heirloom egg cups. Those will never do, he said; they're too WIDE at the TOP!!! I lost it, fled outside to the frigid driveway, screamed at the shrubs while pacing up and down, and chilled, returned to reclaim my stove and calmly prepare dinner. So that's what I recommend: remove yourself, ventilate, and CHILL,

One xmas, my aunt and uncle walked in, and my dad said, "So, can I get you something to drink? We've got Coke, Diet Coke, Sprite, Punch in the bowl; there's white and red wine, limoncello and vodka; bottled water is in the cooler. Oh, [BAngieB] insisted on Malibu and pineapple juice. Tonic's in the fridge; gin's over there."

My aunt goes, "Hmm. Ooh, I'll have a Brandy Alexander."

My dad laughed good naturedly until he realized she was just standing there, expectingly. His response?

"Are you fucking kidding me?"

@BangieB. THAT is PERFECT. OMG I'm laughing so hard and going yes, he did.
We all wasted our time and well meant advice. Done.

I have to admit, I like chiff's advice best. I need to learn to do that, too.

Yes, chiff is smart. I would LOVE to hear jerzee's advice. Where are ya sweetie?

I don't usually get criticism from relatives about cooking, mostly it's a lot of curious questions, and I'm fine with that. But family is always weird, in one way or another I have a SIL who had a habit of looking through people's medicine cabinets. Not just mine, I heard that she did the same thing at other people's houses. Can't for the life of me figure out what she was after. But whenever she was there, I'd notice that the cabinet wasn't closed all the way or things were shifted around a bit. So I left a little note one time. Can't recall exactly what I said, but it probably didn't matter, since she got the message that her nosiness had been noticed.

How this relates to food, I don't know, but I suppose you could put odd notes on things in the pantry. "This is really salt. Lots of people use it. No, blood pressure is just fine." Or, "Yes, I do like this cereal. You don't have to eat it if you don't like it." Or, "If you're looking for the booze, it's not in here."

@db ~ I bought a "Johnny Cabinet" to put over the hopper in the powder room. My husband put it up, but there was a problem with the shelves that he hadn't fixed yet, so everything was in there very precariously. My FIL got the shock of his life when he peeked, touched something and everything came tumbling out and some landed in the water. Even with the fan on and the noise from tv and guests, we all heard the racket and glass breaking. Talk about getting caught red handed. I asked if he was looking for something in particular, like a pain pill and he said no. Cabinet $120, broken bottles $60, his face as red as Santa's suit Priceless.

These are the things that happen with budinski relatives. They snoop, they make inappropriate comments, they judge, they get under your skin. They also give you lots of fodder for conversation, gossip and laughs with your trusted friends or relatives later.

It is hard, and takes practice, but you have to remember that what they're saying has nothing to do with you. They are the ones lacking - respect, manners, gratitude, whatever. It's not about you. You just don your prettiest teflon dress and have your own fun.
But I agree with the person that says if you get annoyed they win. Not that its about winning, because why compete with people so ill equipped to even come close to your abilities? Those suggested responses, the ones that make it difficult for them to keep it up, sound great to me.
I think its difficult to compete with the AWESOME incredulous response that BangieB 's father exclaimed. It IS truly unbelievable that these people don't behave better.
Really cool healthy sophisticated food people instinctually enjoy and appreciate the moments and the people and different food variations depending on the occasion and the location and cook.

@dbcurrie and PerkyMac:

For the relatives who have a bad habit of snooping in your medicine cabinets, my boyfriend and I suggest you remove any legitimate meds for the duration of their stay. For a good laugh at their expense, replace them with boxes for Valtrex, Viagra, and AZT, a c*ck ring, and flavored condoms.

@demi ~ You so bad!!!!

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