At What Age Can A Child Dine Out Alone?
In New York City, apparently 12 is old enough:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/nyregion/17bigcity.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=12+year+old+restaurant+critic&st=nyt
I'm ambivalent:
http://www.izzyeats.com/2008/11/at-what-age-can-child-dine-out-alone.html
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When I was nine years old, sometimes I'd walk to the restaurant where my mother was waitressing and have dinner. This was a white-tablecloth German restaurant, and about half the time I went there, I ordered lobster tail.
Of course, I wasn't completely alone, since my mother was my waitress, but I went there and back alone, and was pretty much by myself when I was eating since she was waiting tables.
Then again, I didn't pay, and I certainly didn't leave a tip.
dbcurrie at 11:36PM on 11/17/08
Sounds like a very old 12-year-old. No kid that age should behave so much like Frasier Crane. I think it's pretty sad.
buffy at 11:47PM on 11/17/08
I don't know, I think that's kind of fantastic. All social commentary aside, that's one brave twelve-year-old!! I'm 21 and I still don't like to eat by myself in restaurants. Haha, this kid even has a leg up on my dream career -- food critic (although I guess I'm ahead in the education department, lol). Who knows -- we just may be witnessing the birth of the next generation's Frank Bruni!
kfarrel3 at 12:08AM on 11/18/08
I think it's great! Hey, some kids like sports, some lock themselves away with video games or computers, some obsess (usually at their parents' insistence) about graduating college at age 13. This kid digs food. In a day and age when we're bashing parents and kids for junk food and obesity, this is pretty refreshing.
You go, kid.
tmj529 at 12:24AM on 11/18/08
I say they can eat out alone as soon as they're old enough to hold a fork.
this is also the time that I feel they should get a job.
unarata at 2:50AM on 11/18/08
@dbcurrie: You sound like you were really well-behaved (and the circumstances were a bit out of the ordinary), but I doubt most nine-year-olds should dine alone; it seems unfair to the other diners. Although now that I think about, it a lot of kids behave better on their own than when there is someone to act out in front of.
Basically, if someone is capable of behaving him or herself in a restaurant (including tipping appropriately, when it applies) on his or her own, then they're old enough to do so.
And I have to admit that I find the idea of a nine-year-old child who is capable of acting appropriately in a restaurant refreshing, not sad!
mongoose at 3:35AM on 11/18/08
Going beyond the question of the appropriate age for eating out alone, did anyone else find it a bit, shall we say, remarkable that there just happened to be a NY Times reporter and a NY Times photographer at Salumeria Rosi when this boy happened by? Along with the fragrant prosciutto and tripe stew, I smell a well orchestrated PR stunt.
PS: I stopped by the place around 1pm Monday (the day this appeared) and they already had the article framed and perched on the counter.
Dee at 8:28AM on 11/18/08
I remember one day when I was 10, (back in 1980) my best friend and I rode our bikes 8 miles away, traversing very busy curvy roads, to have a grilled cheese and sundae at Friendly's. We had not told our mom's where we were going. Man, did they ever freak out when they found out. But it was worth it!
I think raising children to be independent and self-sufficient is a good thing, and if there is a safe environment in which they can experience different ways to express their individuality and they show the ability to make good choices, then why not? Especially if someone lives in an area where you can walk safely to a neighborhood restaurant, and the 12 year old is mature and responsible, then it might be a nice thing to allow them to do.
juliebugsmama at 8:52AM on 11/18/08
@dbcurrie: Your situation makes more sense. Your mom was working and that was how she managed to keep an eye and you and provide food. I bet that was a wonderful experience for you. Plus she had probably had the other employees keep their eyes on you.
@Dee..that's a perspective I hadn't considered...However, I think that it was opening night in general at Salumeria Rosi and there were other celebs in the house.
Overall I guess part of me thinks it is great to have an independent 12 year old with a great interest in food but the other part of me sees a young boy who should still be dining with his parents.
izzy's mama at 9:46AM on 11/18/08
Don't you think it depends on WHERE? When I was in the 5th grade, I was allowed to buy a hamburger at a local eatery and go on to the movie theater across the street. But this was the Fifties in a town of about 3000 people where my family was well-known.
lemons at 10:04AM on 11/18/08
When I was around 10, I started eating at pizzerias with my friends. Then around age 12, we went to a sit down restaurant for the first time. We had no idea how to split the bill, how much to tip, had to ask for pen and paper, caused a ruckus arguing and exasperated the waitress. It was pretty funny. For me anyway. Not for the waitress I'm sure.
LHSK12 at 11:06AM on 11/18/08
I'm with Dee. Sounds a little concocted to me.
In fact:
http://gothamist.com/2008/11/18/a_tale_of_two_lil_foodies.php
bobbob at 11:20AM on 11/18/08
I will let my ten year old go with his older brother (14) to the local McD's, BK, or to the grocery store (Wegmans) to grap a snack or bite to eat once in a while. The first couple of times I let them go (last May), I checked up on them from a distance just to make sure things were okay. They knew the ground rules (stay together, no bickering, use your manners) and things were okay. I would not let my ten year old do this on his own. There's a latch-key-kid site that provides some info on staying at home alone that I think could apply to dining alone at a young age:
http://www.latchkey-kids.com/latchkey-kids-age-limits.htm
dhorst at 11:20AM on 11/18/08
My friends from school and I would dine at sit down restaurants at 10 years of age (5th grade) at the mall that was a 15 minute bus ride from our school or at a random restaurant in Waikiki.
We would ask to have the bill split and we calculated tip or one of us would pay for everything. I think it's because all of us ate out at restaurants with our parents quite a bit so we sorta knew what to do by mimicking our parents.
I probably didn't do this earlier because we moved when I was in the middle of the 4th grade and there were no eating establishments nearby that we could walk to. The closest being Ala Moana Shopping Center, which is currently HUGE for an adult, let alone a 4th grader (~30 years ago) to walk around by themselves.
Cassaendra at 12:10PM on 11/18/08
That's really interesting. I was a latchkey kid at the age of 9. By 12, I was watching my 6 year old sister while the two of us were home alone. I never had the allowance as a kid to afford to go out to eat on my own, not to mention I had no way to travel. Had there been a place to eat nearby and I had the money, I would very much have enjoyed sitting down to a late afternoon meal by myself at age 12. My family rarely went out to eat, so it would have been a nice treat.
nightowl at 1:57PM on 11/18/08
@Dee: The photo caption indicates that the picture was taken on "a subsequent visit."
crk71 at 2:25PM on 11/18/08
I first went to a restaurant by myself at the age of 8. I'm 32 now and I don't think it did any lasting damage. ;) We lived in a small town and my little brother was in the hospital in the city 20 minutes away. I can't remember the exact circumstances but I needed dinner and my parents were trading shifts at the hospital, so I was given some cash, instructed to walk to the diner, and wait for one of my parents to pick me up. I think they sent me with a note for the waitress. I felt *so* grown up, and so excited to be able to sit at the counter. Whenever we went as a family we chose a booth. I had a grilled cheese sandwich and fries with gravy. Since then I've always loved eating in restaurants on my own.
blush at 4:04PM on 11/18/08
we used to go to newport creamery. we had to stay together. our parents new how long it took for the whole trip, and if it took longer we had some explaining to do.
dearrie at 4:24PM on 11/18/08
I love hearing these memories of dining out alone. I had no idea it was prevalent.
izzy's mama at 6:20PM on 11/18/08
We used to walk as a group up to the dairy queen when we were elementary school. there were probably 5-10 of us at a time and when the little kids were with us the youngest was 4. It was the 60's, I would never let my kids do that. Now that they're 14 and 12 they can ride their bikes to McD's if there is a group of them. Sorry McD's, they're all boys...
carolrsfMISSESTEXAS at 6:53PM on 11/18/08
The first time I ate out alone I think I was 12 or 13. I was with my little sister and her friend at the mall, and we went to Johnny Rocket's. We spend hours figuring out the tip, and you know those straw things where you pull them up and take out a straw? My sister's friend pulled it up entirely and spilled straws all over the table. We laughed. I pity our waitress. Still, I think we were relatively respectful.
I actually went to my first movie alone when I was much younger, 10 or 11. My friend and I saw "Indian in the Cupboard" and accidentally spilled a family-size box of nerds all over the back row floor. Hm, on second thought, I think 13-14 is a better age to start eating/going out alone...
embolini9 at 6:58PM on 11/18/08
I'm surprised that there is any surprise--kids ate out alone at fast food places all of the time when I was growing up, as young as 9. I still remember defying my over-protective mother (sorry mom) to ride to McD's to get a sausage biscuit on my bike! Better that this kid have better food than the average 12 year old, I say, given the range of NYC options.
So long as the child behaves him or herself, and isn't in an unsafe location, I don't see the problem--and adult diners can certainly misbehave, it's the manners not the age that makes the bad diner.
HeartofGlass at 7:40PM on 11/18/08
@heartofglass. When and where did you grow up? I grew up in the 70's and I ate out with groups of friends starting at age 12 but never all alone. I don't think that it would ever have occurred to me to have done so because I grew up in the suburbs of nyc and needed to be driven wherever we ate.
izzy's mama at 9:26PM on 11/18/08
When he was 12 or 13 my cousin (he's a guy and I'm a girl) used to go to restaurants with his friends for fun. He told me the servers would always have them pay their bill before they got to start eating. Has anyone else run into this? I suppose they're preventing the old "dine and dash"
ag3208 at 10:40PM on 11/18/08
I grew up in suburban NJ--kids used to ride all over, for a slice or an ice cream cone or a burger. After all, if kids can travel on bikes or on foot, why not 'eat out?' Better than sitting home next to the fridge with a video game, I say!
HeartofGlass at 5:35AM on 11/19/08
@heartofglass. I grew up in suburban nj too ..funny that we had such different experiences.
izzy's mama at 2:27PM on 11/19/08
About 11 years old, after a movie downtown Seattle in the 70's. This place that is long gone called Sandwich Palace man they made the most wicked tuna sub ever, I miss that place.
pjracz10 at 1:34AM on 11/20/08
I love the personal stories, but very few people here are offering an opinion. Answer the question, please?
tmj529 at 2:20AM on 11/20/08
@tmj529: It's really difficult to pin this down to a specific age. I stick by my original opinion (old enough to behave appropriately and calculate tip). Figuring that the child can behave itself properly by this point, I'd say about 9 (as far as I can remember, that was when I mastered working with decimal point enough to be routinely accurate).
If the kid was eating out in a situation that the bill was being taken care of by an adult, then the math skills would be less of an issue, and it would come down to manners.
mongoose at 3:36AM on 11/20/08
I saw it depends on the place. Fast food/fast casual type places like that maybe 9 or so, and actual sit down, tip your waiter maybe 11 or 12, assuming the person knows about tipping and whatnot.
I still remember taking a freind out for a birthday dinner with a group and one of the people didn't realize that there would be no adults included so he didn't bring any money to pay for his share and our freind's share of dinner so the birthday girl had to chip in. I think we were about 14-15 at the time, and I felt so mortified! But our clueless friend made good and paid her back later.
Also remember at least two instances where waiters were completly condescending and rude to me when I was a teenager (didn't help that I looked really young for my age)
missjess at 11:56PM on 12/02/08