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Rare Chicken

I was watching some of the Anthony Bourdain marathon on the Travel channel earlier tonight and came across an episode from the new season in which Bourdain goes to Tokyo ... and eats "rare" chicken, which was essentially raw in the middle.

The reasoning was that it was incredibly fresh chicken, which apparently makes eating it raw acceptable. He also ate "chicken sashimi."

Is it really ok to read raw chicken when it's fresh, but more importantly- would you do it? I've been deeply ingrained with the idea that raw chicken is a MAJOR no-no, so I doubt I'd do it. Plus, the texture of raw chicken would really gross me out.

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I would never eat raw chicken on purpose.

Anthony (who is one of my fav, and if ever givin the chance to have 1 hour with the guy would make me gitty) has eaten some of the nastiest stuff I have ever herd of. And the guy probably has enough sake in his stomach to kill any bactreia that could possibly hert him.

In answer to your question, Um NO! Never. I can barely touch the stuff with my fingers or take a whif of it raw, let alone, put it in my mouth and chew. EEW!

From Bourdain’s Les Halles Cookbook: “Hell, most people figure that if the crispy skin tastes good, and there’s no yucky blood or pink stuff near the bone, that’s a fine roast chicken … Chicken should taste like chicken. Understand also that legs and breasts cook at different rates. In your zeal to make sure that there is no pink (eek!) or red (oooohh!) anywhere in the legs, you are often criminally overcooking your breasts. Find a happy medium. A little pink color by the thigh bone does not necessarily mean you are eating rare poultry.”

After reading this from Bourdain, I realized he was right. And if you know where the chicken came from, how it was processed, etc. ... well, I'd probably join His Most-Intelligent A**Holiness at the Chicken Sashimi Bar. Pass the sake, please!

I've heard about lots of people eating pristinely fresh chix (the head is still laying in the yard) and drinking eggs "warm from the hen." This doesn't mean I'll try it. If a person has been doing it his or her whole life, it doesn't seem strange, foreign or dangerous. A lot of the germs that accumulate on chix are picked up in the handling. If you live on a farm and the animal goes from chicken coop to plate, it's far less likely to acquire those nasties.

ugh, I knew I shouldn't have opened this while hungover.

disgusting...all of it. yuck!

Wow, all of those years I spent as a child refusing to take more than a bite or two from my mother's chicken (she being of the "it doesn't matter how it tastes as long as it is done quickly" school of cooking)--now I realize she wasn't a bad cook, just a woman ahead of her time. Her microwaved steak recipe will perhaps be the next episode, followed by her Wishbone or Seven Seas, dump on sliced orange winter tomato salad.

Thats the way I prepare my chicken, but then again don't come to my house hungry and squimish....when I cook pork loin, pink in the middle its the best and everybody was told to cook pork until its dry like cardboard, all I can really say is practice good hygien and be mindfull of your hands and wash...

While something like 85% of conventionally raised chicken in the store contains salmonella bacteria, if you are buying chicken from a local source and eating it fresh, you should be able to eat it cooked however you'd like. Getting the internal temp of the dark meat up to 165-170 is what's recommended, but anything over 150 can mean the breast is dried out... and with pasture-raised poultry, red or pink by the thigh bone doesn't always indicate doneness (or lack thereof) - it can simply be the color of the flesh near the bone for an active bird.

Regardless, chicken sashimi does sound really gross to me. But I suppose so did raw-fish sushi, once upon a time...

This all comes down to questions of bacterial contamination. My daughter-in-law was the one who broke the salmonella in chicken processing plants story, and made a believer in me. But a barnyard chicken that I'd known its whole life and watched being killed...well, possibly I'd be okay with someone eating that the same day. It's not to my taste, I think, but maybe that's just the way we've all been conditioned.

producestories and lemons made me think back... had an aunt and uncle who raised chickens for eggs. Once the chickens lost their "usefulness" (sorry) for eggs, they were slaughtered, one by one. We're talking a barnyard chicken every month or so, not a warehouse. After the chicken was plucked and gutted, Auntie would leave it //on her kitchen counter// for 24 hours -- room temperature -- and then either fry, roast or braise it.

She said it was to "change the taste" of the chicken, which I never understood.

Salmonella? Maybe. Taste -- different, but not bad. Just different.

And the eggs those chickens made? Never refrigerated. Salmonella? Maybe. Taste? The whites tasted the same but the yolks were a deep golden and definitely different from store-bough.

If I decided to eat it, I would have no fears about the safety issue given the clear origins of the meat. That said, I may have trouble actually eating it; like most Americans, I have never really eaten chicken cooked to less than medium well, due to the risk of salmonella. Thus, my palate has been trained to prefer this. When I prepare chicken myself, even when the risk is essentially non-existent (because of where the bird came from) I am paranoid about complete cooking and cross contamination.

I love Anthony Bourdain BUT rare chicken is not something I could do, actually a good 60% of the stuff he puts down on his shows is out for me. I love adventerous eating but sorry I'm not that adventerous!

I used to eat raw eggs when I was little; I guess I really enjoyed the flavor of the yolks. However, growing older and living under the idea that eating raw eggs or raw chicken is a no-no, I have stopped practicing the raw egg eating...of course unless it is in cookie batter or something. If given the opportunity to try fresh chicken sashimi, I would try it (don't knock it 'til you try it); however, I am not sure that the consistency would please my palette all that much.

Rare chicken? Tell me you're kidding!

Not sure if I would love it, but I'd certainly give it a chance to find out if I do.

warm, raw egg yolk improves everything you put it on!(just like bacon). as far as roast chicken goes, a med. rare breast is the juciest, most chicken flavored chicken you will ever eat. I used to think i perferred dark meat to white, until i learned that the white should still be pinkish in the middle and between 125-130degrees. I understand that most people think this is raw. their loss.....

While living in Tokyo, I ate raw chicken, raw horse, raw goat, raw whale, and, of course, raw fish. Lots and lots of raw fish. Japanese tend to be, after a certain price point, meticulous about their food sources and preparation. So raw anything? In Japan, yes. Anywhere else, a resounding "No, thank you." (Unless it's carpaccio or steak tartare.)

(Japanese were disgusted when I told them I had eaten rabbit, and many could not stomach licorice, root beer, or maple syrup.)

There's a special breed of chicken, I think blue footed chicken? I saw it on Iron Chef America and they said this chicken is raised to not have salmonella and can be eaten raw.

I used to work in a medical office and a patient there had permanent heart damage from bacteria she picked up eating raw chicken (and even more disturbingly, she refused to *stop* eating raw chicken!)

please tell me that someone has seen the wife swap with the raw food eaters that eat raw chicken out of a jar from their fridge? classic.

i don't think if i was in japan at a place where everyone is eating chicken sashimi that i would be worried about my health, but at the same time i just don't think i'd like the FLAVOR of it. the smell and texture. on the other hand, a blush color in the meat when cooked i don't mind at all, it generally makes for juicier meat.

My rules for raw chicken would be the same as raw everything else- make sure you know where it comes from and how old it is. I suppose the ideal rule would be 'don't eat anything you wouldn't feel comfortable eating raw', but I don't think that's a feasible option for many Americans who are not also farmers. As for the eggs, I used to be terrified of eating them raw...until I saw the statistics. The CDC says 1 in 50 average consumers 'could' be exposed to a bad egg each year. This risk goes down if you wash the shells before you break the egg, make sure they are fresh, and kept appropriately cold. It is a risk, but not a terribly big one for a healthy adult.

Not to turn you off to raw eggs, but my microbiology prof in college worked for the Dept. of Agriculture as they were testing bacterial loads in raw eggs and finding out the most cost effective ways to pasteurize them. He told us that bacteria set up sites of infection in the chickens' *ovaries* so the bacteria is found throughout the egg. Washing the shell does next to nothing.

Buy pasteurized eggs!

Chicken is either cooked done or raw. There is no in-between on chicken (or turkey). Wonder why duck can be safely eaten medium rare?

No, no, no. No raw chicken-- even for/with Bourdain. Also, no warthog anus.

I have eaten raw eggs almost daily for the past 25 years and have yet to get sick, even with eggs 1 month past the date stamped. I must be extremely lucky!

I've eaten rare chicken, but not by choice. The restaurant just didn't cook the chicken through. It's an odd texture. I'm not a fan of poultry, but if it were a dish done well (raw on purpose), I'd try it.

There are people in third world countries who drink dirty water straight from a nasty river. Their bodies have been conditioned to accept the bacteria they ingest. They eat, not only raw, but "spoiled" meat and vegetables. If we were to eat and drink the same I'm sure we would become ill. Americans have trouble drinking water in Mexico! I, for one, would never in a million years eat raw chicken no matter how it is prepared.

This is just hearsay, but in Japan, the way chicken is farmed and processed is different, and supposedly the typical bacteria in chicken we so fear is not so prevalent in their poultry. So contaminated eggs and chicken meat is less of a problem there.

I can't for the life of me remember the source of this tidbit, but its food for thought.

There is some plausability in it, given the filthy conditions that most of our CAFO raised meat is raised in that our meat in the U.S. is not safe to eat until cooked to death, but in other parts of the world where practices are different, it may actually be okay to eat meat that hasn't reached that "safe" temperature.

When it comes to raw chicken, my issue is more of a textural thing rather than a "germ" thing.

I quite often will eat chicken that is a tiny bit pink in the middle or has red/pink bits near the bones. As long as the texture isn't the slimy uncooked chicken texture, I'm fine with it.

*shudder* It's like what I imagine biting into a slug would be like.

I had the pleasure of eating completely raw chicken sashimi (none of that partially cooked crap) on a trip to Tokyo a few years back. The texture was very similar to that of fish sashimi I have had and when eaten in the same way with a little wasabi and soy it was a phenomenal appetizer. I just hope it wasn't the only time I will ever have to experience such a delight.

Quit thinking that you shouldn't eat it because it's "gross" or you can't get over the texture. I've had underdone chicken and it was in no way reminiscent of the chicken sashimi I ate. I have a feeling underdone chicken has such an odd texture due to it being partially cooked and warm; nothing like the sashimi I had in Tokyo.

A related story:
I've seen an episode of Wife Swap with a family that was entirely dependant on their own resources (on a farm) and they ate their chicken completely rare as well.

As long as the chicken is from a reliable source (or not infected with salmonella) I think it's okay to eat! But this family's bodies were also was so adjusted to eating raw chicken and raw eggs that actual 'cooked' food was difficult for them to digest and made them sick (though I think they said it tastes better)

I wonder if there would be more nutrients in the raw from of chicken though?

Ahh the "American mentality". This puts me in mind of the commercial where the little girl says in kind of a sing-song voice "I don't think I LIKE waffles...". As a people, we are resistant to anything different. If someone is not like us, well then they're probably not good enough. Don't get me wrong, I love being an American, I just wish everyone would lighten and "enlighten" up. Back to the food thing though. We didn't used to eat sushi or sashimi until it became a fad in the 80's and then many people were still resistant. I don't know about you but a good fresh sashimi grade piece of tuna or salmon is irresistible to me. What about oysters on the half shell? And as dianeb said, it's all in what you're used to eating. Different antibodies for different diets. It sounds kind of icky to me too, but I've been scared about eating raw chicken just like everyone else. Would I try it? ABSOLUTELY! That which does not kill me makes me stronger. (perhaps that was an inappropriate usage...)

i for one am suprised by the ignorance of the majority of comments posted here. Jeffrey Steingarten writes about chicken sashimi in one of his articles in his books-

the fact that the chicken could be eaten raw only speaks very highly of the chef and his products, and the fact that he isn't using the industrial salmonella ridden chicken. Remember trichinosis in pigs, which is no longer such a big deal, was the result of extremely dirty and poor rearing processes especialy in diet.

as for those who are turned off by raw chicken- i'm sure it isn't an "alternative" to chicken fully cooked, as rare steak is eaten to well done, but a dish in itself. Just realize that it is possible to eat rare chicken that isn't contaminated with salmonella, and that our food preferences change over the years for the better. Ie rare steak to well done.

Regardless of the health and safety situation, IMO raw/rare/underdone chicken is just nasty. I won't eat it that way - even the thought revolts me. If I see pink around the thigh, I put it back to cook some more.

It's mostly a texture thing. I won't eat rare duck thighs either, but duck breasts don't have the same slimy stringiness and I'm fine with them medium rare. I've never encountered good chicken sashimi, but I suspect if I did I'd be ok with it. Raw eggs by themselves also squick me for sliminess, but mixed into stuff... let's just say I love a good old-fashioned steak tartare. Consistent? Why do you ask?

Having eaten it on many occasions in Japan, I'm neither an advocate or in opposition. I have alway's seen it prepared in the same manner. First, only the" tenderloin " from the Breast was used. After removing it from the breast and removing the strip of sinue,the chef would sanitize the work surfaces. After the meat was placed on a small cutting board . Placing the board over a sink the chef poured boiling water ever so briefly over both sides of the meat and then immediately plunged the piece into an ice water bath.This technique is used in some fish sashimi preparations as well. While ,I don't crave find myself craving chicken sashimi, I did feel safe as safe eating it as I do most things.

I love Anthony Bourdain, but sorry folks, chicken is meant to be cooked.
I would rather eat a dead bird off the street and throw it on the grill.
Stacey

No offense meant to people who think raw chicken is ick, but one has got to wonder how much of our aversion to it is simply a product of purely North American circumstances.

I say as long as its very fresh and clean (we'd all want this of all our food, right?) it can't be that bad.

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