Baseball Fans and Peanut Allergies
Reading this and someone's comment about "Please don't bring peanut products on airplanes, I don't want to go into anaphylactic shock" reminded me. I was at a baseball game and someone sitting to my right kept glancing warily at someone sitting to my left, who was shelling and eating peanuts in the manner common at baseball stadiums (cracking them, dropping the shells haphazardly on the ground, eating nut, repeat). Finally the person on the left said "Is there something wrong?" and the person on the right said, "I am deathly allergic to peanuts and am trying to make sure no peanut shell gets near me."
The person on the left just looked at the person on the right, turned slightly away, but continued to eat his peanuts in the same manner.
I'm a pretty big baseball fan, but I don't know that I'd risk my life to go to a game if I had a severe peanut allergy. I certainly wouldn't go around demanding everyone near me not eat peanuts, it's impossible to control that...
Thoughts?
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22 Comments:
Wow. I don't think I'd risk death to go to a baseball game, but then again, I don't know if I'd want to let an allergy keep me away from things I really loved.
It can't be a comfortable situation to be at a baseball game, having to watch out for errant peanut shells. My fear at a venue like that would be that some idiot three rows away would start tossing peanuts and shells at me, just to be a jerk.
If I loved baseball that much, I think I might bring enough people with me to build a peanut-free buffer around me. Not like an army, but enough so one could sit on either side of me, and a few behind and in front of me.
dbcurrie at 1:31PM on 09/10/08
we have a triple a team here with a small stadium, they have a reserved section for anyone with nut allergies. I'm kinda surprised more teams dont have that option available.
huneybumper at 1:50PM on 09/10/08
I love that, human shields! I mean, we're not marines here..
every allergy-sufferer for himself!
I do think that's a tough call. If you really love the game, maybe it's worth the risk. Like dbcurrie said, take some friends, pack an epipen, and try to enjoy yourself. Otherwise, watching from the safety of the peanut-free couch might be wise.
Laurel E at 1:53PM on 09/10/08
Hi. I made the original comment you're referring to. Luckily I'm not a baseball fan. When I'm in a similar situation, I usually move. If moving is not possible for whatever reason (too crowded, assigned seating), I will politely explain my allergy and ask the person to refrain eating peanuts around me. I've never had anyone refuse, or even get angry with me. The worst is in places like trains, planes, and buses where you're basically stuck until you reach the next stop or your destination.
@dbcurrie I had kids throw nuts at me when I was little. It was cruel and very scary.
I wish that more places would have nut-free sections. I think life-threatening allergies should be treated as a disability and accomodated.
Vegetarianka at 2:10PM on 09/10/08
I would have to say at a ballpark or a large venue like that, ask when ordering your ticket if they have a peanut free zone. If they don't, then you have the information to make an informed choice on whether to go or not.
Many ballparks allready have no alcohol zones, no smoking zones, and family zones (which means no alcohol, no smoking and no cursing) I would also check to see what type of oil they are cooking with in the concession stands as it could be peanut or a blended vegetable that contains peanut oil.
I am curious does anyone know of any information available on why their are so many people with peanut allergies now? When I was a kid (70's -80's) you rarely, if ever, heard of peanut allergies and now you hear about them everywhere.
SayWhat at 2:47PM on 09/10/08
If I were eating peanuts and told that my snack could put someone's life at risk, I would stop. I love peanut butter, but not enough that I can't wait until I am in a situation where I won't kill someone with my food.
HeartofGlass at 3:48PM on 09/10/08
I was at a game once and witnessed a mother scrubbing down an entire section of seats before letting her child who had a peanut allergy come and sit. I thought that it still seemed very risky because you can't control who else sits in the section with you. Also it seems that if the allergy is severe enough just walking through the ballpark could be dangerous. Our 5 year old son adores baseball but if he had a peanut allergy I don't think I'd be willing to take the risk no matter how upset he might be.
LizSherman at 4:09PM on 09/10/08
I know there was an article recently about how stadiums are having dedicated Peanut-Free games, where the entire stadium is cleared and no peanuts or peanut products are sold at that particular game. Stadiums are now becoming a lot more accommodating.
agk685 at 4:22PM on 09/10/08
I think that all stadiums should have a peanut free section for people who have peanut allergies. But if I was at a game and eating peanuts and someone told me of their peanut allergy I would stop eating them at once.
@Saywhat I too was a kid in the 70's and 80's and I there was not one person that I know of that had a peanut allergy. I would like to know why is this allergy popping up so much now to.
pjracz10 at 7:18AM on 09/11/08
Thanks guys, these are all really interesting comments. I have to say, I've never heard of peanut-free zones (I'm a Mets fan... Shea Stadium... maybe Citi Field will have one?) but it sounds like an interesting idea.
Also, regarding why it seems like more people have peanut allergies now - I think it's a matter of awareness. I grew up in the 80s and I heard about the kid who died from eating peanut butter or something, but it was urban legend-ish, and I didn't actually know anyone with that severe of an allergy (I actually have a light allergy to peanuts, but it just makes me a little itchy, and it's completely bearable). I think maybe people with super severe peanut allergies may have gotten sick and/or died back then, but no one thought to look at the scene where they got sick and say "Oh my god, the peanut did it!" or whatever, whereas now, it's probably fairly common for people to go to their doctor to request an allergy test and find out the thing they are allergic to.
I can't believe people would throw peanuts at someone with a severe allergy. If someone did that to my child, I would flip out on the other children and possibly their parents. Ugh.
Although at a Yankees/Red Sox game, I can imagine people throwing anything at fans of the other team...
PS vegetarianka - not sure why the link doesn't appear, I totally linked to the original thread but grrr it's not showing up :(
feistyfoodie at 10:31AM on 09/11/08
Well, I'm sorry to be the jerk, but it really irritates me when people with food allergies impose them on everyone else. I realize that some severe allergies can be life-threatening, which makes it even more that person's own responsibility to take the proper precautions.
This probably stems from the fact that I have an extremely obnoxious (in every possible way) co-worker with a mild allergy to walnuts. She gets sores in her mouth if she eats something containing them. That's sad; I love walnuts and would be heartbroken if I had to give them up. However, it drives me batty that she takes it as a personal affront when someone brings banana bread with walnuts in it to a work potluck. It usually goes something like this:
Bitchfromhell: "Does that have walnuts in it?"
Innocentcoworker: "Um....yeah..."
Bitchfromhell: *exaggerated sigh with eye roll*
"Well, I guess I can't have any of THAT!"
*stomps away in righteous anger*
If only that were her only undesirable quality.... Sorry to digress, but I feel much better now!
buffy at 2:54PM on 09/12/08
@saywhat:
My nephews are both deathly allergic to wheat and dairy to the point where they can go into a coma if you touch them after you eat a grilled cheese sandwich. Their allergist believes that some of the extreme food allergies now might be the result of chemical fertilizers, pollution and overall degradation of the environment, as well as several generations of excessive antibiotic use in the United States, both of which have possibly caused people's immune systems to function less efficiently.
LadyMarmalade at 3:27PM on 09/12/08
@LadyMarmalade - thank you for that information. It is quite possible that is true. Give your nephews a hug for me, that has to be tough for them in school.
I would never want to endanger a child, or anyone's life, and I always ask about any allergies if I am bringing something to school or to a family. I was just curious as to where these allergies were coming from.
SayWhat at 3:46PM on 09/12/08
I think we're hearing more about allergies for several reasons. For one, our world is smaller. We move around more, and we've got the internet. I don't personally know anyone who has a deadly allergy, but I've heard about such things from other people.
And I know some people who claim to have allergies to things that they aren't allergic to -- so some of what we hear about may be exaggeration. I'm not saying that these allergies don't exist, but when you're hearing about a friend of a friend whose kid goes to school with another kid who is allergic to something odd, there's plenty of room for misinformation to grow.
Another thing is that our medical care is better. Not so many generations ago, someone with an allergy to a common product would probably die at an early age, or would live an isolated life. If they died, it would probably not be properly diagnosed, either -- they'd just die. So no one would know it was the peanuts that killed them, you'd just hear about the boy down the road who went out to play and they found him dead.
Now, doctors can diagnose allergies a whole lot better, so they can tell exactly what someone is allergic to. And with the diagnosis and with better medical treatments, these people can go out in the world and live to a ripe old age because of things like epi-pens emergencies. Before that, what could they do -- wait for an ambulance? Probably not a high rate of survival.
And these people are living longer and getting married and having children and passing along these traits, so they become more common overall. Let's face it, years ago, it was more important to seek a spouse who was medically sound because he/she was probably doing more manual labor, and a farmer who wheezed from hayfever probably wasn't considered a good catch. Now, allergies are treatable, and most people are working in less strenuous jobs, so hayfever or a creaky back may not be such a big deal when choosing a mate.
dbcurrie at 7:24PM on 09/12/08
I agree that medical science and our more global way of living have raised the awareness of possible allergies as opposed to short term illnesses. I hosted a birthday party for my son several years ago at our museum/science center. I noted on the invitation the lunch choices that were available. Out of 17 kids, I had 2 lactose intollerant, one peanut and a celiac. It helped knowing in advance so I could make sure all the kids enjoyed themselves and had non-threatening food. I even brought soy ice cream in a cooler for the lactose-intollerant kids. All had a great time. I think we all need to keep in mind that these allergies are very real and can definitely be life threatening. In my circle of friends, I know who has food sensitivities and keep that in mind when planning a menu and hosting a party.
Josdean at 11:07AM on 09/15/08
Increasingly in Canada, our elementary schools are peanut/nut free - children are required to bring lunches that do not contain either. Thankfully Quaker in Canada has brought out peanut free granola bars - they built a brand new plant and make nothing but them in it. It makes lunches a bit of a pain (my daughter would LOVE to have crackers and peanut butter for lunch sometimes) but hey, no big deal. I have a friend whose daughter is very allergic to both shellfish and peanuts and pretty intolerant of dairy (but she can at least eat this when cooked into things). These issues have restricted not only her (she is six) but also her older siblings, parents, and extended family.
I think wrt children, we do need to accomodate allergies - as another poster noted, there are those brats who chase a child around the play yard with a peanut butter sandwich in their hands. As adults, I think the onus shifts to the allergic person to ask questions, have backup plans and the like. That being said, if someone informed me at a game that my snack could kill them, I'd be ordering up something else pronto!
Maureen at 11:31AM on 09/15/08
As a former professional mascot, I actually ran into this one time at the ballpark in an interesting manner. I was signing autographs and doing the schmoozing mascot thing when a kid ran up to me. The mother had to stop her from hugging me and explained that the little girl was allergic to peanuts and I most likely had hugged/touched someone who had been in contact with them. (Plus thinking back I walked through loads of shells during a game.) It seemed odd at the time but I'm finding or hearing of more and more people having severe allergies.
CNN has a feature on their homepage about this and in fact my current company just made a peanut allergy 101 video in case anyone wants to know how or what needs to be done/avoided if you have a peanut allergy:
http://www.howcast.com/videos/33739-How-To-Deal-With-Peanut-Allergies
souldawg at 9:30AM on 09/17/08
@souldawg...
you were a professional mascot???
details, please.
Laurel E at 1:39PM on 09/17/08
@Laurel E
yes. I played Pee Wee the Seagull from the Brooklyn Cyclones for three years. It was cool, got to do big Mets games, ESPN commercials and the Apprentice on top of the games.
souldawg at 9:47PM on 09/17/08
I work at a sorority as the Exec. chef (yes they have Exec. chefs), after barley surviving rush week I now have almost 100 girls that I have to cook for. Mind you budget does not allow a restaurant style menu, I have to come up with a daily lunch and dinner menu that caters to 100 girls plus the other staff which can be a bit of a challenge (3 meals a day plus snack food is included in the cost to live in a sorority). I make a hell of a lot of chicken because they love chicken, but whatever I prepare is separate and whatever sauce I make is on the side. Ffor example when I have a pasta bar for dinner I make 2 different kinds of pasta's w/ 3 different kinds of sauces they can choose from. They have 2 types of protein to choose from (fish, poultry or meat), steamed veggies clean, (they have the option to add their own crap on it), soup, a salad with dressings and garnishments on the side and rolls. So they have the choice to what they want. Every year there is more and more girls coming to me with nut allergy issues and I assure them that anything I prepare w/nuts will have a sign indicating so (like peanut butter cookies). There is one girl who is not only allergic to nuts, seafood, fish but poultry, I didn't even know of such an allergy existed. So I have to consider allergies, lactose intolerant, vegetarians, vegans, fresh and healthy foods, budget and just plain tastes. But I love my girls, I would never consider working anywhere else.
pjracz10 at 5:37AM on 09/19/08
Really, really interesting article on the subject of why there are more peanut allergies than before:
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=31959
The increase is definately NOT due to more diagnoses being made or a genetic shift--these allergies are far more deadly than before, don't get outgrown usually, and are more likely to be accompanied by other allergies--also the increase is just too large to be accounted for by a genetic shift--almost doubling since 1997. According to the article, the reason for the increase is that we are just too clean as a society and this doesn't keep our immune systems busy enough from an early age, fighting off harmful substances, also the increase of Cesarean births (not exposed to bacteria in the birth canal), and also not being exposed to multiple peanut substances at an early age, unlike Asian and African children.
HeartofGlass at 7:33AM on 09/19/08
Heart of Glass - that's really interesting stuff. I was a C-section baby, have a few minor allergies (nothing life threatening, but mostly annoying), was born to Asian parents. Wonder where I fall in that spectrum. I have to say though, my parents took us to Chinatown from a young age and I ate tons of not-your-average-American-kid-foodstuff in less than clean restaurants, so that might've helped combat any of that "no birth canal bacteria" weakness. Hmm.
feistyfoodie at 11:40AM on 09/30/08