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What are your coffee shop expectations?

I have been managing a coffee shop for 8 months after working in a roasting facility for 2 years.

This location is not ideal and is over 2000 square feet. Cost of doing business is huge! Therefore, I will be moving to a much smaller location in our newly enlarged local library.

In our current location I have offered Espresso & espresso drinks, several coffees, (no flavors as we are organic & fair trade) sandwiches, salads, baked goods, smoothies, Italian soda and bottled drinks.

I am wondering what all of you would expect in your favorite coffee shop?

Vicki

56 Comments:

I must have iced coffee in the summer months. Ample and comfortable seating. Outdoor space is a huge draw in my community.

I don't know how it would work with the library location, but wireless internet access is an absolute MUST.

I would also second the recommendation for good seating - indoors and outdoors.

In terms of food, baked goods are all I really seek out at my local coffee shops, but they need to be good, and there needs to be a decent variety. This might sound picky, but I much prefer to see them in a case or somehow on display. If it's a piece of pound cake or a brownie wrapped up in plastic wrap, I'm unlikely to go for it. I at least want the illusion that I am purchasing something freshly baked.

ditto the wireless internet

Really good pancakes. They have to be better than the ones I make at home. If we go out to breakfast, at least half the family orders pancakes. Also, a good cup of coffee and decent bacon. Quick, friendly service also keep us coming back to our local coffee shop. We can usually get in and out in 45 minutes. It's very good and inexpensive. What more could you ask for?

i'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but i'm intensely loyal to my local espresso place because they give punch cards. i will delay getting my coffee or go out of my way to go there because they will give me a free coffee after ten punches.

what i want is great coffee and non stratospheric prices and a place to sit. it would be wonderful if there were a cell free zone, but you can't have everything.

Ditty wookie and Jen. Comfy seating and free WiFi are a must.

Don't forget: Excellent coffee and excellent service. Quality is more important than quantity (of products).

When you list sandwiches, salads, and baked goods...are these pre-wrapped with a label stuck on 'em or made there? Well, I guess I don't expect the baked goods to be made there...

I love drinking Italian soda (with cream) and eating a freshly made sandwich. I usually pass up the wrapped sandwiches because they always have onions in them. Whoever I'm with typically has coffee and pound cake.

Being that it's in a library, I suppose little gifts probably won't be what people will be thinking of when they walk in. The coffeehouses near where I live always have interesting things (not gawdy) as gifts, like unique mugs and cups, tea accessories, etc.

I guess I sort of agree with Cassaendra regarding the baked goods. No, I don't expect them to be made there but if they're not very good and fresh I won't be buying them. I don't buy pre-wrapped sandwiches either.

Fresh roasted coffee beans that are no more than 10 - 14 days past roast date. Drip coffee offerings that include single origin varietals form specific coops and farms rather than generic varietals. Press pot coffee on request or drip by the cup on request (e.g. made with a Melitta one cup cone.

China cups available for on premise drink consumption.

Espresso shots that are ground by the shot and properly pulled in the 23 - 28 second range on a clean, properly maintained machine. Use of an espresso blend that is not oily, burnt or overly dark but instead has a good balance of flavors from the beans and not the roast. Plenty of good rich crema on the shots

Milk that is properly microfoamed for a smooth velvety texture that melds perfectly with the espresso.

Everything else I can compromise on if the quality of the coffee and espresso is up to par.

I still have the fondest memories of one coffee shop I used to frequent. It had great coffee and the most wonderful fresh croissants (butter, almond and cheese; almond being my absolute favourite). They were not made on premises, but the owner/barista always warmed them up for me in a small toaster oven - they always tasted as if they were freshly baked! And they were small, which I also appreciated a lot.

He also made his sandwiches fresh to order, and they were rather popular.

I love the china cups suggestion. Costs you more I'm sure, with dishwashing etc, but makes for a much, much nicer experience.

No mention of teas being offered, do you plan on having any? I only drink coffee at night (go figure) so when I somehow find myself at a coffee shop during the day I want a good green tea, without any weird new agey mint or lemongrass flavors. Just straight up Japanese green tea. My favorite brand is Harney and Sons, their Sencha in the silk sachet is awesome. Otherwise, good hot chocolate is something I would buy.

Food wise, the only stuff I like is a ficelle (thin baguette) cut in half, buttered and jammed (raspberry, strawberry, apricot, etc.) Well, maybe I could be swayed by some shortbread cookies...

Good luck!

As a non-dairy drinker, I would hope for soy milk. Also, teas, such as chai for lattes.

My expectation would be to keep the noxious coffee fumes INSIDE your establishment. I know this will not be a popular comment, given the prolifera of coffee houses popping up everywhere. One could argue that if I don't like the smell of coffee, walk on the other side of the street. Unfortunately, the other side of the street is littered with coffee houses as well. Even malls have their share where the smells drift into clothing stores and other non-food related retailers. It's not just an aversion; the smell of coffee makes me physically ill (maybe an allergy?). Just as smokers are forced to limit smoking to certain areas so as not to offend or affect the health of others, so should businesses where there is a high walk-in trade and a particularly strong odor emanating from their establishment.

I know I'm swimming upstream with this comment, but as of late, it's become a major problem for me. It's tough to go anywhere without taking anti-nausea medication ahead of time with the expectation of passing a coffee house or two. Maybe I was exposed to coffee aversion therapy as an infant :-P Who knows.

I certainly wish you the best of success with your endeavor, but the whole coffee issue is a sore spot with me.

My dream coffee shop has a bottomless cup of plain joe, a discount (even if it's only 10%) on the second, third, fourth cup of complicated joe (lattes, mochas, etc.), and a frequent buyer program (ie, punch cards).

I don't care about free WiFi; in fact, it's annoying to not be able to find a table because some jerk's camped out with his computer & an hours-old cup of coffee at a four top. (The most successful non-chain coffee shop in my town warns people who do this *and* shuts down WiFi during peak hours. Huzzah.) Hopefully the library has places other than your cafe for people to sit and surf.

And in a perfect world, there would always be attitude-free counter service--except when attitude is warranted, of course!

A really nice detail my coffee shop does (particularly in the summer) is to have simple syrup available to add to the iced coffee because normal sugar doesn't dissolve in cold beverages. That alone, makes me decide one cafe from another in the summer.
As others have mentioned, having chai and other teas available so that I can invite my non coffee drinking friends along (yes they could get Italian Sodas, but in the winter months they wants something warm too), and I get teas when I have a cold.
Also, I'll second the punch card suggestion. The coffee shop across the street is a lot cheaper than the one I regular, but my coffee shop has a punch card and it's really nice to save those free espresso drinks for when I have to study for an exam.
I hope this helps and good luck!

Hey--my library has a coffee shop and it does seem to be doing quite well, good luck first and foremost.

That said, since the library probably has WiFi I would not want it in the coffee shop. Why? Because you can't eat in the library, but you have people set to do large amounts of work in the coffee shop, so they come in, have an espresso and park themselves in a chair for hours, even though they could get up and more considerately do the same thing in the library. Trust me, happens all the time in my university caf/library.

Re: chairs--have something between the huge, voluminous Friends-type sofas that eat you alive like quicksand and hard formica chairs. Most places only have these two types of seating--I like to sit in a coffee shop, without having to put my sweater on the chair or getting eaten by the upholstery.

I think if you have wonderful baked goods, people will flock--even if it is a small selection. Muffins, croissants, scones, and cookies tend to be things people like to get at cafes since they don't have them at home. Bagels are dicier, people like to have their 'bagel place.'

Find out what your age demographic is--kids, elderly people, small children and moms after storytime--when planning.

And I love it when menus change seasonally-- having gingerbread muffins, pumpkin muffins, strawberry or cherry danishes with the seasons adds a nice touch.

Have the hot drinks really hot, the cold ones really cold.
Don't give me decaf unless I ask for it (I think the girl gave me decaf yesterday..blech)
Have soy milk
Keep the place clean.

please have some plain normal coffee.

comfy chairs/sofas are a plus too.

i walk into some places, and i have to dig through a chalkboard of mochas, machiottos, cappucinoes, expressos, americans, lattes, frappacinos, frappa-lattes, capp-expresso, mocha latte. . .

i just want a cup of joe. medium or dark roast preferred. and if you can tell me a little bit about it before i buy it, that would rock my world.

my favorite coffee house in my city does that (they have the fancy stuff too). when i walk in, and look like i have no idea what i want (most of the time), they tell me what they are brewing that day, what it tastes like, where it's from, and often times will let me taste a sample or smell a bean. i wait in line to buy $13/lb central american coffee from these folks.

Please cold-brew your iced coffee! It makes all the difference in the world in terms of flavor - cold-brewed using a very dark roast. Yum. I second offering soymilk, and I know organic is a touchy subject around here, but since 80% of conventional soy is GMO, you might consider using organic, since people who drink soy might be more likely to care about that stuff.

I agree that for "to stay" customers, ceramic mugs and glass tumblers for the iced stuff would be a huge plus. I also agree that skipping the wifi iin the coffee shop if the library has it is a good idea - because people will disregard logic and camp out in the cafe all day rather than hang out on their laptops in the library.

Maybe you can set up some sort of library-themed promotion, too...like a free juice (or other non-sugared drink) for every five books a child in the reading group reads, or folks with library cards get a discount on coffee drinks every Tuesday. This could be especially effective in the early days of the shop, to let library-goers know you're there and your coffee is great. Free mini-cups the first couple of days might even be a good idea. Good luck! It sounds like a great new location for your business.

Its funny how times change.. to my generation, coffee shop means a place to get meals...like a diner but less funky.. when I was growing up, there was no such thing as a place to get mainly coffee....

Hello!

Wow, love all your support!

One of the benefits in being at the library is that the wifi is already there and it does work in the coffee shop, I have seen people using it in the space already. Outdoor seating is available and there are only 3 comfy type chairs available in the shop. Other areas, outdoor & extra seating outside of the coffee shop are small tables and chairs. In the library itself there are large tables and comfy sofas and chairs. People will be permitted to take coffee and other beverages into the library but I am not sure about food.

Some comments: in our current location we pay $2000 - rent, $600 -gas & electric, $80 - Wifi, triple net (building taxes, common area costs, lawn cutting or snow removal, and repairs to the building, insurance) - this can range from $600 - over $1,000 per month, insurance for inside the premises - $200, add in the smaller costs (credit card costs are approximately 6.5% of the amount charged) and misc. At any rate, cost is about $4,000 before I open the doors.

I only mention this as our average sale price is less than $5 (credit card companies charge more for small sales). In our current location the majority of our sales are less the $5. Examples: coffee $1.70 - 16 oz. , smoothies - $3.55, tea - $1.70, latte - $3.50. Customers get one drink and proceed to use our space for several hours. Sometimes they only get a cookie - $1.00) While I like the fact that they come to our facility, this business is not nearly enough to keep the place open.

I am certain that this will be different at the library as I will be cutting overhead by 80%.

I only mention this as we have had people come into our coffee shop, bring their own food and drink, use our restroom facility, our Wifi, drink our water, and sleep on our sofa or just use our place without any monetary contribution!

We have served sandwiches and baked goods and we do serve tea and offer soymilk, yes organic. The challenge is serving a consistent product.
Employees each make a sandwich the way they like it and some of them don't make them at all! (they tell customers we are out of sandwich fixings). I originally made healthy whole grain and tasty muffins made from scratch. The public generally buys the huge, fluffy 700 calorie muffins which cost 2 x as much as the healthy option and are also 2 x as large.

I now usually get pre - mixed muffin batter that I thaw and bake. I also have been getting. Cookies are also frozen and baked at the shop. I now get sandwiches in a grab and go carton, chicken salad, tuna salad, ham or turkey with cheese. These are made fresh locally. I am wondering if I need these at all?

Love the idea of the small cups at first, we do have ceramic cups for those who want, and the free juice for the kids is great.

Please continue ideas, comments, and suggestions!

Vicki

I would start sans sandwiches, just sell coffee and treats, and eyeball the customers to see if they would want the higher-priced goods, in terms of the demographic--moms relaxing with kids or students studying, older people, might have different tastes and needs.

I hate to say it, but 'freeloading' might be worse in the library--in my school (not public) library cafe, I have seen people come in with their computers, use them, then fall asleep on the VERY few seats left open for eating and drinking (which is prohibited in the rest of the library), all without paying a dime! It's so annoying to have to eat on the floor for something you paid with, even though someone who has fallen asleep on his laptop and could use the WiFi elsewhere in the library for some reason likes the cafe!

Well.
if you're able, there's a chain in the southeast USA called "Village Coffee." Look them up, and do the exact opposite of what they do.
a brief rundown of no-no's, then:
1. don't leave week-old muffins in the case(for that matter, also don't buy muffins in bulk from Sam's and sell them for triple the cost)
2. don't "stick" with a distributor; if your roaster suddenly starts turning out crappy products, find another roaster--it's not like they're in short supply.
3. don't ban regular customers, or invent policies that exclude and/or alienate large portions of your potential customers.
4. most important of all, LISTEN TO YOUR EMPLOYEES! they'll be the ones having the most contact with customers, so they're going to know a lot of what goes on in the shop, and thusly best be able to advise you on what you need to succeed.

Punch cards are great. My favorite coffee shop doesn't have them though. They do have a trivia question worth $.50 off though, which is fun and sometimes almost but doesn't really make up for the lack of punch card. Another place I like has a punch card and will keep it in a rolodex there for you, which is just a nice touch.

I also second/third/whatever the tea-offering comments. However, don't go too overboard with it. I drink and reccommend two leaves and a bud single origin teas. They are delicious (just google two leaves and a bud) and I don't see them anywhere, so it might be a nice, unique touch for your shop.

Also, agreed on cold-brewing your iced coffee, combined with the other suggestion that simple syrup be available to sweeten cold beverages.

I agree with Tokyorosa's comments, especially about the jerks camping out with their computers! Go home!

1. Ample and varied seating--comfy chairs, couches, tables, booths, etc., so those of us who are self-employed jerks with laptops can hang out, work and not feel bad about taking up space;
2. A band of cranky old men who gather at the same time every morning and talk about how the good old days were much better and how today's youth are going straight to hell;
3. Excellent mochas;
4. Music played at the right volume so those of us who are self-employed jerks with laptops can concentrate and still have something in the background;
5. Barristas with just the right amount of sass;
6. Decent snacks.

For a good example of a great local coffeehouse, see The Cherry Bean in Salinas, CA. Down the block from the Steinbeck Center.

We just moved to Berkeley, and I'm a few blocks away from the original Peet's. Ironically, Peet's just installed free wireless but has seating and table issues, making it difficult for me--a jerk with a laptop--to hang out. The Starsucks on Shattuck has ample seating, but then I'd have to drink bad coffee.

I'm a big fan of daily newspapers in coffeeshops, but those are probably already available in your library. Try to have a choice of black, green and herbal teas. Decaf black tea is a nice touch too. Peanut butter cookies? They are hard to find these days with allergies...

Hmmm - since you are in your local library, I am assuming most of your patrons will have reading material with them, and the library will have WIFI, a plus for you. Here are my two cents worth of suggestions:

Cater to the library crowd. I am assuming most of your patrons will be either high school/college aged students, families with very young children checking out a gazillion books, and senior citizens.

Does the library feature a book, video, or author of the month? Choose a coffee that represents the location of the book or native to the author for your cleverly-named special. The price of the special should really be a value, students and seniors probably either can't afford or will balk at $4+ per cup. Try to keep it $3 or less if you can. This is only for the special, not the other coffee offerings. For the kiddies, how about a themed sugar cookies, Dr. Suess, Harry Potter, etc. The kiddies want cookies, the parents will treat themselves to a higher-priced coffee at the same time.

For the cultural-continuing education-minded, do a coffee-tasting night once a month, similar to a wine tasting. Pair various coffees with food and educate the attendees on how to taste coffee, etc. Of course, you will have the coffee beans featured during the tasting available for purchase. Heck, I would attend a coffee tasting!!!!!!!!!

Thinking of coffee and coffee houses i immediately go to my mind's eye of Peet's Coffee and Tea- Palo Alto, Ca and a number of coffee bars in Amsterdam. What i look for is fresh, hot coffee or espresso with some interested folks behind the counter-- some current newspapers, fresh accoutrements --no big whoop like sandwiches and smoothies and that stuff. Fresh ground and fresh brewed coffee from people who are nice and don't correct me when i say "small dark roast" as opposed to thier frengitalish bastardization of a cup of great joe.

A clean and well stocked condiment area. Must have at least two half and half milk carafes. They go the fastest. And simple syrup for iced drinks!

Some things my favorite coffee shop has that makes them stand out...

-Baristas who enjoy their job, know about the coffee, and chat with customers. Kristie knows that I always get an iced coffee, no sugar, when it's hot outside. And when I want to order something different, she's happy to talk about the different beans they have right now.

-Good coffee, but then, that's obvious, isn't it? Some coffee shops roast their own beans, and that's a plus, but I've had great coffee from places that buy from a local roaster. On the other hand, one of my favorite coffee shops switched from a local roaster to Community Cup coffee, and it just totally killed the place.

-Simple syrup on the condiment bar; adding granulated sugar to iced coffee doesn't work. :-(

-No Hershey's! I can tell when a place uses Hershey's syrup in their mochas or hot chocolates, and it's always a big turn-off. Too sweet, with that wierd HFCS taste. And on the same note...

-No Torani! Every coffee I've had with Torani syrups in it has tasted funky, with a weird bitter aftertaste. It's very unpleasant. I'd also recommend dating your syrups, and throwing them out after they get too old. Stale syrups are pretty unpleasant.

-To-go cups, and for-here cups. I like to relax in a nice chair with a mug
of coffee sometimes, and other times, I just need to run.

-Branded cups. I know this seems shallow, but I always feel self-conscious when I go around town carrying a generic coffee cup. I feel better if it has the coffee shop's logo on it; makes me feel indy. I know some of our local coffee shops have inkstamps, and every morning, the baristas stamp the coffee cups they'll use for the day, to cut down on printing costs.

-Something for my friends. I have friends that don't drink coffee, so when I take them out to a coffee shop, it's nice if there's something they can order. An awesome hot chocolate, or fresh squeezed orange juice, or tea. Smoothies, maybe. And ask if they want to add any flavorings to it; I know one friend who was totally surprised that he could do that.

-House specials. I'm a sucker for trying the house special. My favorite local coffee shop had a hazelnut-white chocolate latte hat was sublime. Daily specials are nice too.

-Blended drinks that aren't icey. I've had some pretty awful blended drinks before; just taking a latte, adding ice, and blending it results in a pretty weak drink that separates into layers. Adding powdered milk, or carageenan, or half-n-half, really thickens the drink, and gives it a better texture.

-Art from local artists. Big plus.

-Atmosphere! I've been in some coffee shops with fluorescent lighting, blank walls, uncomfortable, cafeteria-style chairs and institutional tile. The only art they had was pink flamingos. I couldn't escape fast enough.

-Prices. Starbucks is the upper limit of my price range for coffee, and even they're a little pushing it. If you have good coffee, and lower prices than SB, I'm sold.

The dine-in mugs mentioned above reminded me of a place I visited where they kept patrons' mugs. When I saw this, I thought it was an interesting idea; not too dissimilar from bars keeping a patron's bottle of liquor. It gives a place another level of connection.

...but it probably wouldn't work in a fairly transient, and smaller, setting like a library.

Iced brewed decaf is essential. I love iced coffee in the afternoon, and sometimes it needs to be decaf. And an iced americano is NOT the same as good iced coffee.

Decent drip coffee made freshly often.

Fresh pastries including some for us diabetics.

Free wifi without the need to register or pay or any such thing to get in.

Nice eye candy is a plus.

I expect my barista to not ask for qualification when I ask for a non-fat latte..."Does that mean you want skim milk or whole milk?" Ugh.

Take a cue from my favorite coffee shop in the country, Jack's Stir Brew in New York's West Village: Great coffee and a sense of community are what makes for a great place. Don't have too many choices, keep things fresh and treat your customers like family!

Re: food - I'm less interested in a full case of obviously stale processed/distributor stuff and far, FAR more interested in 4 or 5 freshly baked/made things. A cookie of the day, a bar of the day, a cake of the day, cinnamon buns and a pie of the day. Simple and delicious. I'd pay upwards of $5 for a really good, warmed cinnamon bun dripping with cream cheese frosting. I don't buy sandwiches from a coffee shop - what I want is somethign sweet to go with my coffee.

Re: Coffee - I'm with nursie. Fresh, good drip coffee is key, and so is a Caffeine Addict card. Iced coffee drinks shouldn't be watered down with too much ice: don't they have that cool cold-drip/cold press coffee maker that makes a concentrate that's perfect for iced drinks? Plus, using that concentrate gets rid of the nasty dregs at the bottom of my iced coffee cup. Bleh.

Update on the new location!

Thought I'd pop in with an update on how things are going.

Most of the suggestions above had and will continue to be implemented. We opened the first part of December 2008. Business is continuing to grow and we intend to offer afternoon tea on Sundays.

While nearly all is good the one major dilemma I must now deal with is freeloading. The footprint of my shop is very small, less than 600 square feet. The library provides outside seating and seating in the lobby outside my shop. I maintain tables that the library provides for me. My only responsibility to those areas are keeping the tables clean.

The dilemma comes with people bringing their own food into ALL of the space.

Let me go back a bit. When coffee shops became popular they were something of a unique phenomena. Now we have gourmet coffee being served at every convenience store (similar to mine? NO!) Pushing a button on a machine and having every ingredient magically appear in the cup is not what we do here! Starbucks and Caribou on every corner and all good restaurants in town serving great product, mostly ours! Competition has increased within the business so I feel the need to offer more. We do offer fresh baked goods every day, they are purchased in frozen batter form and we bake them. Also have smoothies, ice cream and we do make fresh sandwiches and soup. Will stop the soup soon and make salads.

People bring in their own food and drinks and use the tables inside and outside that I maintain, they even bring their stuff into my small space. Sometimes no purchase is made and many times the purchase is insignificant (water, a cookies)

Would it be prudent for me to place signs on the tables stating that they are for coffee shop patrons?

People are allowed to take food and drinks into the library and they can play card games or majong (sorry, spelling!) at the tables inside the library.

Help is requested please!

Vicki

Even though it's been posted several times already, good fresh hot coffee. The last 3 times that I have been out to eat my coffee was served to me luke warm. It's such a turn off. I usually have my lunch around 3 pm and it seems that after the lunch rush places just either forget to make fresh coffee or they just don't care.

@Vicki...yes, I would put table tents or some other signage indicating that at least the tables inside the shop are for shop patrons. You may have to 'police' the area for a bit...but after awhile people will get used to it. If they need further explanation, perhaps pointing out to them that if you don't make any money the tables will not be available because the doors to your coffee shop will be closed may be necessary.
Good luck!

Even more effective might be a sign on the door or near the entrance that says "no outside food and drink". I know this seems a little off-putting, but in my experience, if someone has already walked in and found a table they want to sit at, they will ignore table tent signs. Good luck with this!

I'm thinking also of adopting a waitress/waiter style for awhile. Put menus on the tables and have approach customers at tables to see what they'd like to order. I think they'd get the message. Since our place is so small delivering the order to the table is no problem.

Also, lately the tips have been poor. We need a campy statement to put on the tip jar (ex. Tips for poorly paid baristas!) Something to get attention. By waiting on tables more tips might be left.

Vicki

FYI: We will make you a fresh drip coffee any time. I use the melitta cones. (This for chardonnay who might request this at the current coffee shop) Right now we just place then on top of the cups but if we overfill we don't notice. I know I can get a drip station but they are obnoxiously expensive, take up a lot of room and usually require drainage.

This is the Internet so I will be honest:

1. You say you will evict people who make negligible purchases. What if I don't want something, but I am with a friend who does? You will lose my friend's business if we both decide not to come in, as a result of your no freeloading policy. Also, what if I just buy a cookie one day or plain coffee because my friend wants a sandwich but I have my own pbj--do I not get kicked out but a single person with a coffee does? Do you kick out me but not my friend? What if I want a sandwich one day, a cookie the next--if I get kicked out because my purchase is deemed negligible I am not coming back for anything.

This is a coffee shop, not a restaurant.

2. I hate tip cups with cute phrases like 'money for tuition.'

This coffee shop is my business. Yesterday a meal, none of it purchased from me, was consumed at tables that I clean and maintain, also sandwiches were consumed and several people walked in with beverages purchased elsewhere. I serve all of these products that could easily have been procured at our location. Now, lets pretend you HeartofGlass, are the owner of my place. You pay employees minimum wage (yes they do need tips). I have just come into your place with a friend and my friend gets a cookie for $1 and I have brought in my own PB & J sandwich, which you can also make for me. I sit there with my friend and use your table, your internet, your napkins and ask you for a glass of ice water to go. How long can you stay in business when you have rent to pay and $50,000 in equipment as well as product to purchase that you hope to sell and employees to pay, utilities etc. After I have lingered a few hours using the net, I decide to leave and now you have clean up the table I used and sweep up the crumbs from the floor where I dropped my sandwich. By the way I also used your bathroom so you need to go clean that up also.

I would be interested in knowing how you keep this business viable.

Vicki

I know this sounds obvious, but some places only serve milk in their coffee and I hate milk. It has to be light cream or half and half or I will not go back. Also, if you have a self serve station to put in your own cream/sugar, please make sure it's well stocked. I hate going into a place and not a drop of cream is left for me to put into my cup.

It sounds like it's a small place, but for me, my advice would be to invest in good staff. Just because a 16 year old can pull some espresso, doesn't mean he or she can interact with the customers. I don't want flaky service, I don't want giggling employees who nominally pay attention to me while talking with each other. I love the idea of a daily quiz, first five people who answer correctly receive a free cup of coffee, or something to that effect. Hire genuinely friendly people without attitudes who are knowledgeable about coffee and not pretentious, and you'll have people coming back time and again.

Just found this site and wanted to respond to the folks opening a coffee shop in the public library. I have been managing our Cafe inside the Tempe Public Library, Tempe AZ since August 2008. Maybe you have moved on in your business and decided to try other things...may not even see my comments ...wanted you to know that we have had great success and hear from our friendly customers daily how appreciative they are that we are here in the Library and wish others would consider doing the same thing. Good luck!

Julie,

Vicki here! I would be very interested to know what you serve in your coffee shop. We have good loyal customers and all say they appreciate our being there. How many people do you have on staff? To many questions!

Vicki

Vicki-Glad to hear from you. Log on to our website at www.tempeconnections.org to see our menu, etc. I currently have a staff of 9 super people of all ages and backgrounds but with great customer service skills in common. We have been in operation for 3 years on May 19th and welcome any suggestions for ways to celebrate beyond a big old cake and coffee special:) Keep the questions coming! J.

Julie, I did check your site and congratulate you on your success. I am interested in how your business is structured. Currently I pay rent to the library and have to pay insurance, to the tune of $1600 + per year, on the space that I rent which is less than 600 square feet. There are six tables just outside my facility and 4 tables outdoors that are not included in the rent. Several times since opening people have brought in food and drinks that have been purchased outside of my business. Lately I have put signs on the tables stating that they are for Cafe del Sol Coffee & Tea patrons only and that product from other sources can be consumed inside the library. I have had a positive response to these signs as customers think it is rude for people to bring food and drinks into areas that I maintain. I have also asked people to take their food elsewhere. Legally I have no right to do this as these are not included in the rent. To include them would be a huge increase, possibly not in rent, but in insurance cost. I feel food and drink being brought to tables that I maintain is rude and extremely detrimental to my business as I offer these items also. Any thoughts or comments on this?

Hi Vicki-Oh boy do I have a few comments about the outside food and drink!! Since we are located inside the public library there are food and drink restrictions already in place re: maintaining clean surfaces for computer use, books, and study areas. However, once some folks enter the cafe space all bets seem to be off! We have had entire families come in toting their Taco Bell items, fried chicken and even a 6pack of brewskies! We do have signs posted that are pretty blunt in stating "No outside food please" but ...?! I do try to gently remind folks that the Maricopa County Board of Health makes the rules and we must follow them. I do offer these folks a table on outdoor patio but as we approach the AZ summer weather that becomes less of an option. Perhaps that solves a bit of the problem for us. Making the Board of Health the"bad guy" does seem to work with most folks.....so far!

Our Library is beginning to undergo renovation of the lower level which houses, among other things, the entire children's area. This area has been relocated to just near our Cafe and means that we now have to become more family-friendly...and that opens up other cans of worms...but also, how do I handle the mom of the toddler with the little box of Cheerios? That IS outside foood, right? I am a mother myself so I have compassion for the situation...best thing for us is to create a "Kid's Cafe" area with smaller furniture and a kid's menu from the items we already stock...or at least that's the idea so far.

To answer your question about our business structure, I can tell you that we are funded by the Friends of the Tempe Library-see their website also. I do know that we also have grant monies from the Virginia Piper trust...but never enough!!! We do also have non-profit status but I am not sure how those details work.

I hope this info is helpful-got a little long winded! Have a great weekend! J.

Julie,

Thanks for all your comments. I too have used the health department to discourage folks from bringing in outside items. However, when I checked with them the other day I learned they HAVE NO REGULATIONS regarding restaurant seating and tables. They recommend that the tables are cleaned and sanitized a minimum of every 4 hours! Consumers beware! Can you believe that? Behind that counter I practically have to wash my hands every minute and sanitize everything with bleach water after each use, but hey after it leaves the counter you all are on your own! It also turns out that my insurance already covers the outdoor and indoor seating areas so I will meet with the library to see how I can get those tables in the lease for as little money as possible. They are extremely interested in our success and I think are somewhat disappointed in the folks who said "if you build it we will be there". Not that we are struggling but I think that allowing people to bring in food and drink is very detrimental to what I'm trying to accomplish here. I will meet with them next week and keep you posted. For the most part if I ask people to leave they do so as they consider the library tables are something of a picnic ground. They do not know that I pay the library rent, how else would it work? There is another library coffee shop not far away and I know the owner, she has the same problem and I'm going to give her a call and see how she is handling this situation.

TTFN
Vicki

Vicki-Pleeeease share any suggestions your friend can pass along! Yesterday, two young men came into our cafe toting a large green cooler and TOLD me (they did not ask for assistance or request my permission) that they were going to be leaving their large cooler in the cafe while they were studying in the library for most of the day. WHAT? We find that more and more folks consider the library as a dining destination -bringing their own food and drinks, or provisions in the case of these two men.

SIlly me, but my first thought when I leave KFC (as if!) with my dinner bucket IS NOT "Hey, let's eat this in the Connections Cafe at the Tempe Library!" Help-any comments and suggestions are welcomed!

As for sanitizing...yeah, we know:) -makes us better consumers if that's all that it does. Continued good luck to you and your exciting venture-do keep me posted...I'll be sending the picnic folks packing til we chat again!! Julie

Julie,

Sorry it's taken so long to post here!

I had a meeting with our library board and they are in total support of our coffee shop.

They are also understanding of the public's desire to have a place at the library for family eating.

While they had planned for folks to come to the library and buy items from the cafe and eat or drink at the available tables, they did not plan for people bringing their own food. Since this is a public library they would like to accommodate their patrons.

I think they have decided to amend our lease, with no extra cost to us, to include the 6 tables in the entryway. The four tables outside are to be for public use.

This really works for me as I figure the outside tables are least profitable. Here in Iowa they are not used at all during winter and later this summer it will be to hot to sit outside. The tables are metal. I have also stopped maintaining those tables to discourage people from using them! Since they are not part of the lease I feel it's not my responsibility to clean off the bird poop, except for my customers who want to use them, of course!

I highly recommend you meet with your foundation people, they support your shop, yes? and find out what their expectations are for your space. Let them know how detrimental to your business the practice of customers bringing food and beverage into your coffee shop. I know you said you chase them to outside tables, that is good and you must continue to do this. I would encourage you to put signage on your tables letting people know which tables are for coffee shop use exclusively (with the support of the library) and which can be used for the public (hopefully none of them) and be very vocal about enforcing this decision.

I personally told a lady unloading her fast food onto a table the other day that she needed to take it outside. She replied that it was raining (it wasn't!) so I told her she needed to take it inside and she did. I let her know those are my tables and to move on!

Yes the table had signage that said tables reserved for our customers!

Once you let people take over your space they will continue to do so. Most customers appreciate the signs and feel people bringing food in are rude.

Get the support of your library and enforce it!

By the by, I spoke with another library coffee shop and they pay a bit less rent that I do but they only rent the counter and the space behind it so the serving portion of the shop is library property but they still maintain it and ask people to leave if they are busy. They said while they allow people to bring in food and drink it is rare and they really hate it when people leave their trash to be cleaned up! Can you imagine?

Look forward to hearing how you're doing

Vicki

Hi Vicki..I am an Iowa girl. but have lived in the Southwest a long time..so glad to hear that you are located there:) It is so beautiful in Iowa inJune and July...minus the humidity of course!! I grew up outside of Dubuque-You?

Here's an update for you-for some reason the food issue lessened a bit when I wrote "No Outside Food Please" on the large whiteboard sign at the entrance of our cafe. We have had signs on each table since we opened 3 years ago but find that folks ignore them...see last posting, right?!

Anyway, we have no walls separating us from the rest of the library..oh how we wish we did. So it seems that while the Library staff here (who are valued regular customers and truly wonderful folks) support our no food policy, they allow or overlook food and drinks in other Library areas. Hard to draw a line on the floor and say "See? This is the Library and THIS is the cafe..Food is okay here but not over THERE." And there is our food dilemma-even with Library support.

Also, to make our lives more interesting, the Library is under renovation for the next year...80 computers were available and now that is down to 30...and 2 of these 30 sit in the cafe. Again, the way we are constructed means that people waiting for these 2 computers (reserved at the reference desk) sit at our tables and do not purchase any cafe items.

Then, our safe is far away from my office where I do the money managing everyday...I now have to make my way thru these folks carrying the money bags...imagine how secure that feels.

The lady in the office next to mine is a grant writer and organizes the use of our large meeting room. Oftentimes, she is on a teleconference or hosting a "webinar". Throngs of people outside our offices waiting for their computer times are NOT conducive to business. Because you know Mr. Youtube and his teenage buddies are all using the same computer and commenting or playing the latest rap video without considering the others around them. Also, people walk into our offices (Labeled STAFF ONLY!!!) looking for the printers tied to these 2 computers.

I was told today that these 2 computers would be removed from the Cafe-hooray-can't happen soon enough. So, one difficulty down...just the food and messy people to go! Hope you are hanging in there! Have a great weekend-Julie

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