Rant: Shorts, flip flops and fine dining?
I realize it's Las Vegas, the city where anything goes, but we had reservations tonight at Bouchon and I was astounded at the way a lot of the diners were dressed. Across the aisle from me was a 40something guy in a t-shirt, flowered board shorts and flip flops. Lots of t-shirts and shorts, lots of jeans and polos. The website specifies business casual, but I'm guessing it's hard to enforce, given the venue.
I commented on this to the server, and she smiled and said, "You should see the ones who try to come in here in their bathing suits or without shoes on."
Am I being over the top, or have we forgotten how to dress appropriately?
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22 Comments:
I feel your pain. I once worked at a very expensive Italian restaurant in a beach resort town. One man, while on vacation, sat in our patio dining for lunch WITH NO SHIRT (and he was not one who could get away with it). My issue with this was that the lunchtime manager still gave him service. No, you're not being over the top, and it's not a matter of some people "forgetting" how to dress, it's just not caring. Laziness. Selfishness. But not forgetfulness.
beth1 at 1:21AM on 08/18/08
I think it is OK to be comfortable when you are on vacation. But comfortable means all your parts covered and shirts, shoes and pants. I got married when it was fairly warm out. I added to the invite to the rehearsal dinner "no shorts please" because the dinner was at a upscale italian restaurant.
A man without a shirt is not dressed. Was not a fry stand by the boards.
Not to mention sweating. Not good for people looking on.
What really bugs me is women in tiny little mini skirts with no undies on who cannot sit with their legs together. This is just a lack of common sense. Here we are eating a lovely meal and out of the corner of my eye is a dirty limerick waiting to happen. Often the person just has not a lick of sense to even worry about it. We started about 16 years ago asking the waitperson to send a napkin over to whomever it was. When they get it the waitperson points our way and I do a combination gesture and eyewink. It is some funny stuff.
People will be people. If it were my restaurant there would be acceptable rules of dress and those who did not have shirts on, shoes etc would be asked to go get changed and come back and see us then.
JerzeeTomato at 4:50AM on 08/18/08
I'm in FL and I think it's something they put up with here because of restaurants that are close to the beach. Here where tourist business dictates which restaurants live or die, I think they'd let you in if you were wearing a fig leaf.
therealchiffonade at 4:58AM on 08/18/08
I can't stand seeing someone's ass crack in low riding jeans while I'm eating either, I had to stare at one while out for dinner one night... at least sit with your back to the wall so no one is subjected to it.
and yes I took a picture of it.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6h0u3p&s=4
I asked our waiter if we had to pay extra for the "table with a view"
Southern_bella at 6:36AM on 08/18/08
I don't have a problem with it because I've been born and raised in Hawaii, spent at least 15 summer vacations in San Francisco, 5-6 summer/winter vacations in Okinawa...all places that are near water.
It's to be expected. Unless you're a restaurant chain like Morton's that can stay afloat by turning customers away, you're not going to survive. If the tourists can't go there because they brought clothes to go to the beach, gamble, or travel to be comfortable while on vacation and the locals don't want to go -- who will these restaurants be serving? At least in the island cultures, if you're too snooty, you're going down pretty quickly.
Walking in topless and barefoot is pretty bad though. :P I'm used to slippers, shorts, and tshirts. In Hawaii, some people go to school without shoes, not because they can't afford it, but because they can.
Cassaendra at 7:35AM on 08/18/08
How funny--I was at Wegman's yesterday, and a woman went shopping in a bathing suit and a towel. I know it's not quite the same thing, and it was a one-piece, but it still struck me as odd, and I couldn't help think of the famous story by John Updike "A&P" about a group of young girls going grocery shopping in bikinis.
But it's hard for the staff, too, to put it delicately in a restaurant that the customer's attire isn't appropriate, unless it's a very high-end establishment that likes to cultivate a certain image and reputation that you should be grateful to dine there.
HeartofGlass at 8:24AM on 08/18/08
if its a "nice" resteraunt, maybe they should put a seperate section in, like we used to have smoking and non smoking. If i'm going out for a nice dinner I really dont want to see people's dirty toes or hairy legs while trying to eat. and while they're at it, how about a no children section too ;-)
huneybumper at 9:22AM on 08/18/08
being barefoot in a restaurant is a health code violation, and the restaurant can and should refuse service at that point. i did this one when i was working as a server, only to have the guy start screaming at me about his "rights". he was promptly escorted out.
on the flip side of this, i'm annoyed by servers who refuse to put their hair up. that's a huge health code violation, yet whenever i go out to eat there is always at least one or two female servers with their hair down. i guess they feel they look better with their hair down and might generate more tips by flinging their hair around, but finding a long hair in my food is just plain gross.
french tart at 9:37AM on 08/18/08
Unacceptable. But on some pants, shoes and a shirt. Vegas is the armpit of the universe but still, there should be some standards.
simon at 10:34AM on 08/18/08
This is just probably a quirk of mine, but if I don't "dress" for dinner when going to an upscale restaurant ($100-$200 a head), the food doesn't taste as good to me. Spending that kind of cash is not an everyday thing for me which I think warrants not wearing everyday clothes. Seeing other people dressed in a haphazard manner takes away from my enjoyment of the total dining experience. When I don't feel like dressing up, I go to a restaurant where I feel my attire is appropriate.
Alas, I totally agree that we live in an economic environment where most restaurants literally cannot afford to turn away guests. Guess I'd better grin and "bare" it :-P
Josdean at 11:14AM on 08/18/08
I guess that one nice thing about living in the frigid north is that people tend to bundle up for much of the year, so we rarely have that problem.
However, I cannot stand servers without their hair tied back. When I was a server, there was even a rule that if you didn't have it up, you were sent home. That's it. I know that there are a lot of worse things that could (and have) gone on in restuarants, but really, couldn't people just do that little thing?
Traveller at 11:25AM on 08/18/08
If a restaurant has a dress code, then fine. However, I have been out on a number of occasions where everyone I was with was somewhat casually dressed (and somewhat dusty/dirty after climbing/hiking all day on some of those occasions) and it's really nice to be able to go into a nicer place on a whim and not be turned away because of what you are wearing. I agree with being dressed (I don't go out in a bathing suit, no matter how much I love to wear mine) and I try to put myself together based on where I plan to go, but being turned away is a gigantic pain in the ass and would be a shame for the wait staff considering how we tip!
My bf and I were almost turned away from a steakhouse in Omaha because their dress code "allowed shirts, but not shirts with logos," meaning my PBR-shirt-wearing bf was in violation. I offered the suggestion that if he zipped up his jacket he would no longer be in violation, and they let us in. The food was wonderful, but the whole thing made me laugh when the waiter complimented us on ordering our steaks rare and extra rare, lamenting that most people pay $35+ for a steak and want it well done! To think they almost didn't let us in ...
joyyy at 12:00PM on 08/18/08
"My bf and I were almost turned away from a steakhouse in Omaha because their dress code "allowed shirts, but not shirts with logos,"...the waiter complimented us on ordering our steaks rare and extra rare, lamenting that most people pay $35+ for a steak and want it well done! To think they almost didn't let us in ..."
@Joyyy: That's the funny thing about dressing up to go somewhere. People can dress up to transmit a certain image, but like the saying goes: "You can take the [person] out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the [person]."
Cassaendra at 12:17PM on 08/18/08
@Southern_bella - so THAT's how this type of photo gets to the web!! :D Serves her right for subjecting the diners behind her to view her Grand Chasm.
I once ate at a place where a (rather large) woman wearing a mini skirt didn't bother to hold down her skirt when she seated herself. The skirt remained on the chair back and we ate our meal in full view of her pink panties. You'd think she'd feel a draft...? No, I didn't photograph that but you've given me an idea for future offenders.
therealchiffonade at 12:54PM on 08/18/08
@Cassasendra: The REALLY funny thing about that is that I actually grew up somewhat trailerpark/whitetrash (I can say it cause I lived it :P), but I made a point of learning better manners, points of fine dining, and other things that were lacking in my upbringing. My own parents wouldn't let me eat anything cooked less than medium well, and it wasn't until I met my bf that I started eating rare steak, sushi, etc.
You should have seen the look on my family's face the first time I ate a rare steak in front of them (especially after sending back the first one that came out obviously medium, not rare) - sheer horror. I now take pleasure in forcing them to eat a bite of say, my seared rare ahi tuna when we go out to eat. Did I mention that I now enjoy living 2,000+ miles away from them? haha
joyyy at 1:28PM on 08/18/08
I'm suprised there are this many people who care about how other people in a restaurant are dressed. For the most part, unless someone is making a scene or doing something interesting (say, getting down on one knee and proposing) I'm pretty much concentrating on my dining companions and on the food at our table.
I'd rather have someone in a tee shirt and flip-flops at the next table, than to have them dropping the f-bomb in a loud voice every third word. I can choose to not look at the table, but if I can hear them swearing better than I can hear my dining companion, that's an invasion on my space.
As far as how people dress while on vacation, yes, some of them may simply be slobs, but I find that I have a lot less stress in my life if I don't concern myself with what other people do. Let 'em be slobs. If it doesn't directly affect me, and if I can't change it, why spend time thinking about it?
On the other hand, those fellow vacationers might be dressed that way at dinner because of situations beyond their control. Like, they're still waiting for that OTHER piece of luggage to arrive. I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt, and if they're simply slobs, at least I don't have to go home with them.
There's a nice restaurant nearby, attached to a really old (historic, not decrepit) hotel, with white tablecloths and fancy waiters and all, and if you look at their website, the dress code says that all they require is that you be wearing some. If they're okay with tee shirts and jeans, I'm not going to fuss about it. I might dress up a bit myself to go there for a nice dinner, just for my own enjoyment, but I also like the fact that if I'm in that area doing other things and I want to stop in for lunch, I needn't stress about how I'm dressed.
dbcurrie at 2:49PM on 08/18/08
I get a huge kick when I'm "dressed" for dinner but the slobby people look at me like I'm crazy.
bessfour at 3:24PM on 08/18/08
In addition to restaurants: What really bugs me these days is what people will wear to wedding receptions. I am not talking about casual outdoor weddings but lovely celebrations with sit-down dinners which were not intended for shorts, cargo pants, sandals, tennis shoes, tank tops and bra straps. I do not think that it is that most people are simply so financially strapped that they can't afford decent clothes to wear to an event. I think that it is that they were not taught how to properly dress for special occasions or are just so lazy they don't give a damn.
And don't even get me started on women who wear white to a wedding when they are not the bride......
robincat at 4:43PM on 08/18/08
@therealchiffonade - hey, if "you" don't want your ass crack on the internet, don't bring it out in public! :P
I also take pictures of the elusive "Jersey mullet" when I stumble into the path of one.
a) Home Depot specimen - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=15cgj1w&s=4
b) Wegmans specimen (the longest mullet I've seen north of the mason-dixon line) http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=149rpld&s=4
;)
Southern_bella at 5:17PM on 08/18/08
I guess it's a bit elitist, but I wouldn't go to Bouchon in board shorts and slippers, although they are the favorite style of friendly local Hawai'ian god. And add a "Wainae Class of 1988" wife-beater T-shirt, even though I didn't go there.
On the other hand, I wrestle with the idea of going to Bouchon in //Las Vegas// in the first place. Those two seem to match about as well as wearing board shorts in the Louvre.
TikiPundit at 8:11PM on 08/18/08
Late for our customary brunch this a.m., DH & I had a most-painful experience involving both ill-clad & ill-behaved restaurant patrons: A chick in next-to-nothing came flip-flopping in to my local fave, pretended not to see us waiting for the host, thereby flop-flopping ahead. The new host came 'round & gave her & her backward-hat-wearing boyfriend our! freaking table before the manager saw us waiting. Then she preceded to complain loudly about how "chilly" the dining room was, when her butt, belly & breasts were all hanging out of her micro-clothing! Needless to say, those of us with enough class to cover our assets suffered in silence, at a table next to the people with FOUR apparently-mentally-challenged children who alternately stared, drooled, threw menus at each other, shouted & ran around the table while their parents pretended not to notice. Next time I oversleep, I'll just eat a freaking PopTart. Grrrrrr.
KitchenHawk at 6:23PM on 08/24/08
Give me back my restarant smoking area and I'll take all your shoeless, shirtless, ass-crack-showing people in with me. However, I don't want your children in there - leave them at home while you're dining out so other diners don't have to listen to them.
luzzyk at 6:37PM on 08/24/08