Tastespotting - what happened?
Does anyone know why Tastespotting has been discontinued? The site now says "In light of recent legal complications, Notcot will no longer be operating Tastespotting.com." I checked, and NotCouture - the site that is the same concept, but for clothing and design - is still active. Just Tastespotting is gone. What's the story?
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I was wondering why they weren't updating the site since yesterday morning. I know some people have complained in the past about their images being posted without consent and incorrect/no attribution. I'm guessing they pissed off someone with deep pockets.
SundayNiteDinner at 11:30PM on 06/12/08
oh, NO. I found so many recipes from tasty looking pictures I found on there. Dammat :(
emes1 at 12:14AM on 06/13/08
this is terrible! i loved that site!!! boo to whoever complained :(
jpmcd at 12:35AM on 06/13/08
I just came to SE to ask the same question! This is terrible!
CookiePie at 1:47AM on 06/13/08
oh no! Is there maybe a secret back entrance to their archives? How will I plan my dinners??
SloMo at 2:33AM on 06/13/08
Hi, I run an in-site photo gallery & our webmaster has said we can open this in a similar way that tastespotting did. If you are interested in this have a look at the current facility - Gallery- at recipes2share.com If you are interested in this then please contact me....it will be set up immediatley if the demand is there!
recipes2share at 3:59AM on 06/13/08
oh! thank god please do!
avryan at 7:24AM on 06/13/08
That would be fabulous recipes2share!
barefootkitchenwitch at 7:38AM on 06/13/08
waaaaaaah-i miss tastespotting, too! i didn't realize how addicted i had become until there were no updates yesterday. boohoo to the complainers!!
foodiemama at 7:47AM on 06/13/08
thanks recipes to share.
eatmyfood at 7:48AM on 06/13/08
I've had positive respopnse, so we are working on it right now. If you email me via the site I will mail directly when its up & running, hopefully within a couple of days...
recipes2share at 8:54AM on 06/13/08
Noooo! This is NOT good. Where else am I going to find the day's selection of droolworthy food photos all in one place?
Hillary
Chew on That
Chew on That at 10:17AM on 06/13/08
Hello all,
I was saddened this morning when I clicked on my Tastespotting bookmark only to find that the site no longer exists. I began searching for answers and happened upon a blog post at "use real butter." I have posted this there as well.
First of all, I'd like to say that this world is filled with beauty in varied forms from music to paintings to food and so on. Human beings, as creatures who love to be admired, so often get caught up in receiving "credit" and "compensation" for the beauty they create and share instead of releasing it for the world to adore and emulate and moving on to the next creation.
When the World Wide Web was birthed into existence, our world became united in ways that were unfathomable. As a result, humanity can no longer tightly control the sharing of creative beauty, whether it be a song, a recipe, a photo, or an application. My question is this: If we believe in a Higher Power who created and sustains this world, why fret about freely sharing our manipulation of Glorious Creation?
Every time I watch the Discovery Channel or go to the Science section of CNN.com, I hear about the discover of yet another species which was previously unknown to mankind. This world is so vast, awesone and wondrously created, how can our meager offerings compare? We should strive to be more like our Creator---and there had to be a Creator of such a Divinely Designed World---and freely share with one another. What if we couldn't watch a sunset, pick a bunch of wildflowers for a loved one, pick wild berries for a summer pie, photograph a soaring eagle or catch a fish from woodland stream without having to ask permission and observing copyright laws?
The ties that bind us are those of our own creation. I believe that the concept behind Tastespotting was not self-serving. It was intended to be a place where foodies, food bloggers, and FOOD LOVERS worldwide could post, link, and SHARE a common bond. Now, for whatever reason, that has been taken away, and food blogging will suffer because is has once more become compartmentalized. For those who are unfamiliar with food blogging, it will be difficult to create a blogroll of the wonderful food blogs which were featured on Tastespotting.
May we all strive to find and appreciate Common Ground.
Jaslin Dennis at 10:36AM on 06/13/08
I am so crushed about this. Tastespotting was the first stop on my daily blog tour. I'm going to miss the inspiration and beauty of that site very much!!
winnybean at 10:58AM on 06/13/08
I am sad as well for tastespotting but like one of the previous people said there is "beauty everywhere". Maybe this will get us all outside more...ha ha!
I also noticed that someone else made a comment, to say they had a site, that they could send people to for food pictures. At first, I thought, "people are morning buddy, what are you doing, trying to push your site". But then I noticed that people where responding saying, "please, do help us". So just in case anyone needs a bit of food inspiration, we at Rouxbe (www.rouxbe.com), also work very hard to try and put out some "sexy food". I am not trying to sell ourselves, in your time of need. Really I am not! It's just in case you need a fix or some food in action.
Hope ya'll have a good day, don't be too sad....go outside and play! :-)
dthom at 11:36AM on 06/13/08
I am going to miss Tastespotting! I remember that I have not even thought of writing a blog myself but I was already browsing there and got to know the foodie world! That made me start my own first in my native language in Hungarian and later on in English. The first thing after starting the computer in the morning, was to check out what fabolous stuff is out there! I guess it is a big loss for the foodies out there...
chriesi at 11:47AM on 06/13/08
yes, I put up that post & we are working on it right now - I loved tastespotting & this was a back burner idea we were working on. I have been having lots of positve feedback. If you mail me I will let you know directly as soon as work has finished and it is up & running.
recipes2share at 11:57AM on 06/13/08
=(
Tastespotting really got me through the day! It introduced me to a plethora of awesome food blogs from around the globe.
mandabear at 12:39PM on 06/13/08
I never heard of tastespotting, and I am heartbroken about THAT
Cary at 1:08PM on 06/13/08
As a food lover AND a food blogger, I'm heartbroken about Tastespotting. I have no idea what the details are---could be something other than what we're all assuming it is---but I have to say, I never once minded my recipes appearing on their page. Their contributers always gave me proper credit, and the thing is, I just got a kick out of the fact that my recipes were able to be shared with more people than would have seen them otherwise.
Tastespotting? Are you there? If you ever want to come back, I'd be glad to be the first food blogger to sign a waiver allowing you to post my recipes. It's food! It's to be shared!
(And okay, if the legal complications have nothing to do with the posting of other sites' recipes, then...um...never mind. ;) )
The Pioneer Woman at 1:31PM on 06/13/08
Sad to hear this. I used to serve as a volunteer moderator in the eGullet forums and we had plenty of complaints from members who were asked to delete or edit posts that used recipes or images that were not their own original content or were not the copyright holder of (eGullet is also stringent about "deep linking" - which ends up causing "bandwidth theft" from other sites"). But I always understood that the site was obligated to abide by the letter of the law or they could run up against a situation exactly like this - a law suit or the threat of one that could endanger their mission and their ability exist as a public resource.
phaelon56 at 2:35PM on 06/13/08
Grrr. By far one of my favorite blogs. I guess that one day we'll look back and remember teh internets when it was interestingly unsanitized.
jayfallon at 3:07PM on 06/13/08
RIP tastespotting
AnaisKoi at 3:14PM on 06/13/08
What a shame! It was such a lovely site and a lovely way to navigate blogs. Is there anywa it can come back???
niamheen at 3:37PM on 06/13/08
I loved Tastespotting and found it to be an invaluable site for my food blogging and recipe searching. I hope something else comes along to take its place because clearly there is a REAL NEED for a site like this.
Foodwoolf at 4:33PM on 06/13/08
This idea that art should be freely shared is a lovely one, if you are the artist who is doing the sharing.
But if you are a professional who makes a living from this "art" and you find that the value of your work (yes, work. Even if the result is is art, there is work involved.) has been diminished because it is being freely shared by someone else, you're going to have a whole different opinion.
Lawsuits may seem extreme, but copyright law states that a copyright holder has to protect the work. That might be as simple as emailing a website and saying "that's my work, remove it from your site," but if that doesn't work, a lawsuit might be necessary if the copyright holder wants to keep the rights to the property. If the property is valuable or the copyright owner has lawyers standing by on retainer, a lawsuit might be the next easiest thing to do.
People who concoct recipes and take photos as a hobby aren't going to be too upset to find their "art" distributed -- but I'll bet that even they would hope for proper attribution. But writers, photographers, and artists of all sorts who create "art" for a living hope that they WILL be able to make a decent living from it. Unless they agree that certain bits and pieces can be freely distributed, the ownership of that work should be respected.
dbcurrie at 5:13PM on 06/13/08
I have it on very good authority that the issue has nothing to do with images or copyright.
anitaepler at 8:18PM on 06/13/08
@Jaslin Dennis: "If we believe in a Higher Power who created and sustains this world, why fret about freely sharing our manipulation of Glorious Creation?" Are you serious? What if we don't believe that? Your entire argument is based on a gigantic assumption. And to say that the world is "divinely designed" is not evidence. You're attempting to prove something by repeating yourself. There is a God that by definition creates divine things. All these things here are divine, therefore created by God. God must exist. That's displacing a belief in God to a belief that those things are somehow divine. Since divine is defined by God creating it, it's just circular. But seriously, I don't care what you have faith in. But using your faith as an argument to get something for free...that just seems wrong and low.
Now, if we accept your assumption, are you proposing that if we are just manipulating what has been created by "a higher being", it should simply be free for others to use? If you manipulate some ingredients into food for dinner tonight, it's fine for me to break into your house and eat it? After all, you are just manipulating those ingredients that "a higher being" created and you shouldn't fret about it then. If everything is either a divine creation or a manipulation of such, then everything should be free to everyone. That will only lead to anarchy. I doubt very much that is what a higher being would have in mind.
There's a huge difference between watching a sunset yourself and if you watch a program about sunsets or containing a sunset on Discovery Channel. Discovery Channel worked to get those images of the sun setting and worked to create a system (ie. their channel) to deliver those images. But, even if the sunset is a creation of a higher being (your assumption), you can't demand that they deliver it to you freely. Are you trying to justify that your higher being allows stealing?
Now, I have nothing against Tastespotting (I visited fairly regularly) and I don't believe they intended to violate copyrights if that's indeed what the problem is. But I'm pretty sure that they are completely not self-serving. I'm pretty sure the company that runs the site and it's sister sites (like notcot) are doing it to make advertising profits. They found a need (for a sort of central food blog/food site hub) and filled it. Filling a need does not equate to not being self serving.
And stop booing the alleged complainers that allegedly got Tastespotting shut down. Just because most blogs are done for "free" and most wouldn't mind the traffic being on Tastespotting provides does not mean that you can assume that all of them are like that and that it is bad that are not doing what most other people are doing. Tastespotting is on a basic level a site that generates absolutely no content on it's own. It basically uses other people's content exclusively. You can't blame some people for not liking that.
wunami at 10:46PM on 06/13/08
@anitaepler, I have no idea what the legal issues were, but I was responding more to another poster who commented (paraphrasing) that people are too caught up in receiving compensation for the beauty they create and why fret about freely sharing..they should be releasing the art to the world and moving on to the next creation.
It is a lovely sentiment, but the truth is that the artists need to make a living just as much as anyone else. If they (or someone else) freely gives their art away, how are they going to pay the rent, buy groceries, or put clothes on their backs? Or are artists supposed to give away their art -- possibly the one thing they're good at -- and then go work as a checkout clerk to make enough money to pay the bills?
I've heard the same argument about doctors -- that they should be doctors because they are healers and they want to cure the sick, and they shouldn't do it for the money. All medical care should be free. Fine, but when the doctor goes to a restaurant, should the food be free and should the waitperson not expect a tip?
It's a capitalistic society. People work to make money. Artists who are good at their art make money from the art, and some of them make all of their money from their art. Taking that art and freely distributing it without the artist's permission is similar to going to a farmer's fields and picking all the crops and freely distributing them, because people have a right to eat. Sure, the farmer can grow more pretty crops, but that's not the point. If the farmer wanted to donate crops, he would. If he wants to sell his crops, he should. Artists who want to post their work on the web for free distribution can do so. But if they find that someone else has taken their work and distributed it, they have every right to get a little ticked off about it.
Again, I have no idea what Tastespotting's legal issues were, but it just bugs me when someone pronounces that "this" particular category of work should be done for free. Unless someone is willing to support all those people doing that particular work, that work is simply going to disappear if it doesn't generate income, because none of us are going to be able to live on public adoration. A little food and shelter is also required.
I'm off my soapbox. All done. Feeling better now, thanks.
dbcurrie at 11:08PM on 06/13/08
Ummm, dbcurrie, trademark law says a trademark owner must police rights or lose them. Copyright law says no such thing. Your work can be infringed by a million people, and you will still own your copyright and you can still sue the million and first infringer (though the other infringements might affect your damages or ability to claim wilfull infringement.)
Not that there aren't good reasons for authors to protect their works, and lots of good debate about where lines should be drawn.
Just saying.
tastas at 12:00AM on 06/14/08
@tastas...duh. I knew that. Kleenex, Xerox, elevator...wrong pompous speech on my part. I get a good huff going and my facts head off in wrong directions.
dbcurrie at 2:27AM on 06/14/08
I LOVED Tastespotting - it was the only recipe/food site I checked more than once a day and somehow its 'tastes' matched my own beautifully. It also introduced to wonderful food blogs I didn't know existed - a great 'filter' of sorts. Copyright arguments aside, if someone knows exactly why the site shutdown, can they please post? Someone hinted that it was not copyright, but do they know what the issue was? Clearly the site was well-loved and if others are eager to fill the gap, we all stand the best chance of it succeeding if we know how to do it better next time!
SwissKiki at 3:13AM on 06/14/08
I wish we'd get something more, not just that note..
jammarita at 5:54AM on 06/14/08
Well, as I promised yesterday we have an alternative set up and working. I received many positive comments yesterday so all I can do is ask you to have a look and if you like it please submit your photos & blog links.
The home page has a new link :
www.recipes2share.com
I'm really excited about this, I loved tastespotting - lets give it a go and try to re-create a similar fun facitiy & I look forward to seeing all your beautiful food!
recipes2share at 8:12AM on 06/14/08
wunami and dbcurrie - I loved the posts each of you made above (whether the current issue with tastespotting is that particular issue or not). :)
If tastespotting is down it likely is primarily an issue to do with business with a capital B wrapped around a legal issue. If it proves profitable or useful for their owners to get it fixed, they will. Otherwise, they won't.
And in the ways of public relations and marketing, if it seems useful or profitable to those making the decisions about this to post further information about "why" they will - if not, they won't.
A site like that is not put together with a few mere moments of the day set aside for fun. Do they "produce" anything themselves? I think so. They don't produce the product they are offering or selling but they do produce the platform that allows that product to be distributed. And that's not nothing. They are producing a service.
Is that service "piggy-backing" on the work of others? Absolutely. But then so does any review of a restaurant or book, so does any TV show that takes working chefs and puts them on-screen to battle each other for the entertainment of the viewer . . . etc etc. In the real world there is often more profit to be made by piggybacking than by being the initial creator.
What a stockpile of great stuff they had, though. I hope they manage to sort things out and get back online. If not, someone else will - as recipes2share notes.
foodvox at 9:48AM on 06/14/08
Hi guys... I started a little food-spotting blog this morning because I was bored, check it out and let me know if you have any comments on it! http://foodporndaily.wordpress.com
caviarandcodfish at 10:34AM on 06/14/08
Thanks, caviarandcodfish!
Leah Greenstein at 1:44PM on 06/14/08
Ugh, this is AWFUL! Tastespotting has been the first stop on my Food RSS feeds page since it started. What are we supposed to do when we need a bit of fod inspiration??
Hell2Heights at 2:22PM on 06/14/08
@caviarandcodfish..........I never heard of Tastespotting until now, but your pics are wonderful. I love "Because Tastespotting Up and Went".
PerkyMac at 2:27PM on 06/14/08
@PerkyMac..... Thanks, I was particularly proud of that line.
If anyone has any good food blogs with delicious photography to recommend, please send them my way!
caviarandcodfish at 2:47PM on 06/14/08
perhaps this has something to do with it:
http://deepdishdreams.blogspot.com/2008/01/tastespotting-stalker.html
dogcharlie at 3:17PM on 06/14/08
Yikes. That's horrifying.
BangieB at 5:21PM on 06/14/08
I'm very bummed. I'm glad I saved links to a few dozen items I'd found there, but since I could search for old ones easily I didn't save as many as I should.
Taste spotting let me to multiple other food blogs which I now read on a semi-regular basis. Like many blogs do, it aggregated content from many other sites. If I found myself being lead to the other sites many times I'd start reading that site as well.
I'd read elsewhere of copyright issues, but have no direct knowledge. Since each image had very little commentary and linked to a page somewhere else it seems like many potential issues could have been solved if the submitters were limited to the linked sites' owners.
Many times I've picked up a cookbook or magazine after being enticed by a bit of food porn on the cover. Tastespotting did that over and over again each day leading me to new recipes or ingredients. It wasn't ad-heavy, so the main recipients of any ad revenue were the downstream sites. They're the ones losing out from my not being able to find them now.
IdeaRat at 8:02PM on 06/14/08
I spent the day creating a new site in homage to Tastespotting. It's called Food Gawker...
http://foodgawker.com/
Content is on the light side right now, but if you are food blogger, come on by and submit your photos.
SundayNiteDinner at 10:20PM on 06/14/08
I can't possibly believe that DocChuck's blatant trolling is the reason Tastespotting decided to shut down.
@SundayNiteDinner: Nice basic clone of Tastespotting there. It sounds like it's going to be a pain if it gets the amount of submissions that Tastespotting had.
wunami at 1:43PM on 06/15/08
I am upset that tastespotting is gone... i hope this is just a temporary thing. tastespotting and serious eats are my alomst-everyday internet visits to know what is happening in the world of food. My little blog really benefited from all the tastespotting visitors and fans.
I hope that the issue with tastespotting can be resolved soon and if not, that us food bloggers can find another similar platform where we can share and learn about our creations...
Madelyn
KarmaFreeCooking
MadelynRodriguez at 1:52PM on 06/15/08
Tastespotting was one of those rare sites that consistently inspired me. I always wanted them to add a clipping feature so that I could keep track of the things I wanted to make.
Last night I scraped all of the pages in the Google cache, downloaded all the photos, and have a working copy of the Tastespotting archive sitting on my comptuer. I'm going to hold off on distributing it until I know more about what happened, not wanting to run into copyright issues or anger the friendly NOTCOTers.
reidab at 4:59PM on 06/15/08
Every time i visit SE I learn something amazing! Collectively, you folks have taught me the most incredible things! Until all of this craziness started, I had never heard of tastespotting or any other site of it's nature.
I now have a goal. Someday I will create something worthy of photographing and I will "attempt" to add it to a food sharing blog. Honestly, this technology is so far above my head.
You guys rock!!
izatryt at 5:23PM on 06/15/08
Oops, I failed to include the phrase "to moderate" in my last reply about foodgawker. As in "it's going to be a pain to moderate" since it seems that every entry needs to be approved.
wunami at 5:40PM on 06/15/08
@SundayNiteDinner
thx for setting up foodgawker.com!
I've already started submitting :)
elanaspantry at 12:57AM on 06/16/08
We created a site similar to Tastespotting: www.recipemuncher.com
We did not want to create a copycat, so it's a bit different: instead of submiting pictures one by one you submit your blog and we automatically pull the pictures every time there is a new post.
The site is only 2 days old, but we'll work hard to make it a nice place to hang out ;)
Dano_o at 4:17AM on 06/16/08
I SO miss Tastespotting. Although since it's departure, I have found myself eating less in the afternoon.
Wouldn't it be cool if there were a site just like our dearly departed Tastespotting, with the all the food porn pictures that linked back to blogs, AND had a handy search function.
lympicita at 7:00AM on 06/16/08
I spent the weekend making my own tastespotting replacement since my wife and I pretty much can't live without it. I'm trying to expand upon the idea and have already added a few new features that tastespotting never had, like voting, comments and the ability to save your favorite posts. Hopefully it will get us through this dark time without tastespotting.
http://www.newtastings.com
If anyone has any ideas or features that they would have liked to have seen on tastespotting, please drop me a line and let me know.
bmease at 1:23PM on 06/16/08
2 things about these tastespotting copies:
okey, I love that all these tastespotting copies are coming up but,
1. i liked that they rejected stuff, and i know it ticked people off, and would leave me scratching my head as to why some stuff was up and some wouldn't (they rejected two of mine that kinda made me rethink some stuff) but i LIKED that. and i think that is what needed in a replacement.
2. Tastespotting either requested a 250x250 pixel photo or they would cut 250x250 out of your picture, they didn't resize.
these posted links above seem to be resizing or shrinking to fit in an area that they don't fit, therefor the pictures are pixalated (spell?) and look bad.
Fotocuisine at 4:17PM on 06/16/08
@fotocusine: thanks for the input... though right now I'm not thinking I'll ever make mine that similar to tastespotting. I wouldn't be able to keep up with it! And I plan on rejected photos that I don't like, too, and maybe getting some dialouge going about what makes a good photo.
About the resizing, I'm going to nix it. Yesterday I thought I'd make all the photos as near to 500 px wide so it looks uniform and clean, but I check the site on a PC today and it looked crappy.
I do like food gawker a lot for its tastespottingness. Great job, Chuck!
caviarandcodfish at 6:34PM on 06/16/08
@fotocuisine Regarding Food Gawker, we are definitely rejecting submissions. The photo quality will continue to increase (to get onto Food Gawker) as the quantity of posts increases.
As far as image resizing is concerned, we are just cropping and not resizing similar to TS. The occasional pixelation that you are seeing is due to a reduction of image quality to 94%. We just upped it to 96%. Since we aren't monetizing the site currently and paying for hosting on our on dime, we need to stay wary of our hosting bandwidth usage. We hope to not reduce image quality in the near future.
Finally, I want to thank everyone who has visited the site. The response has been really positive so far!
SundayNiteDinner at 12:24AM on 06/17/08
Thanks for taking into account my concerns, both FP daily and gawker are looking good and even though I have asked my hubby if we could take up the void left behind when TS left ('would love to, but seriously, we don't have the time'), I am glad someone is. Just hoping it/they will be close to as good as TS was. :)
Fotocuisine at 3:28PM on 06/17/08
WAIT! DONT WORRY! I just went on to the tastespotting website and it says that the site will be back up and running shortly!!! I am sooooo happy now!!!!
moooob at 5:32PM on 06/20/08
The site also mentions a new site they're working on: Liquorious in alpha, devoted to, you guessed it - drinks! This may tide some of you over for a bit.
toastykitten at 11:32AM on 06/21/08
From the front page:
"we're just marinating a bit longer, but tastespotting will be back shortly..."
GourmetGlam at 11:40AM on 06/21/08