Recipe deal-breakers
Just read this really delightful piece in the NY Times about recipe deal-breakers (those techniques, ingredients or words that will cause you to put a recipe down and move on):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/dining/04recipes.html?ref=dining
I'm sure we all have them! Personally, I won't use fondant. And it's not a deal breaker, but it takes a lot to get me to roll up a cake jelly-roll style.
So, friends, what are your recipe deal-breakers?
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Unfortunately, I'm a very spontaneous and impatient person, so that translates into my cooking style a LOT. Unless I plan ahead and really really want something? There's no WAY I'm cooking something that takes over 2 hours to cook (meatloaf is a stretch).
embolini9 at 11:28AM on 06/04/08
Unless it is a dessert I will not make a dish that involves more than a few tablespoons of butter, oil, cream, etc. That style doesn't fit into how I eat at home.
Carosone at 11:47AM on 06/04/08
I rarely follow a recipe as written but one deal-breaker that makes me turn away entirely is when brand-names are specified in the ingredient list.
It's not always in three-ingredient casserole-cookery books one finds this, either. It can be found in more aspirational tomes where the author wishes to specify a certain brand of high-end chocolate or any thing, really.
The information is useful, yes. For sometimes things simply won't come out right unless a certain quality of base ingredient is used. But to me these advisements belong in a side-bar as addendum, not smack-dab in the recipe as insistence.
:)
Yeah.
Karen Resta at 12:05PM on 06/04/08
Ha, ha! "Corral pig". Fabulous.
Here's a direct link to the article. Kim Severson does it again. :)
Karen Resta at 12:08PM on 06/04/08
Deep-frying.
lemons at 12:29PM on 06/04/08
Anything that requires a candy thermometer. I can never read it correctly.
juliec at 12:32PM on 06/04/08
Cream of "anything" soup.
lattelatte at 12:42PM on 06/04/08
Deep frying, grilling, and baking. If it looks tantalizing enough, I won't put the recipe down. I'll hand it to my husband.
Cassaendra at 12:51PM on 06/04/08
Good quesition CookiePie--I love looking at recipes, But I will never make them if I know that it has a certain ingredient in it (especially one that cannot be substituted).
For me, I like to eat healthy--so I look for healthy recipes, or ones that can be made lower in fat or sugar. Particularly, I stay away from recipes with tons of butter--I prefer making cakes that use oil and can substitute some for applesauce. I also recently got over my phobia of melting chocolate over a double broiler, and now I prefer brownies using more melted chocolate than sticks of butter (though, I'm not sure if this really makes it better nutritionally...somehow though, I just feel better about not adding two sticks of PURE fat to something I will be eating.And, chocolate is my weakness...)
I also stay away from creamy dishes and soups, or substitute 1% milks for cream bases, etc...
Yeast kind of scares me, though I would desperately love to make all my own bread. I think the time to let it rise,and my impatience intimidate me!
Don't do the eccentric meats--chicken and ground beef are pretty standard, but then again I don't even really cook meat for myself, just my family.
Wow, the list goes on and on--didn't realize how picky I actually was :)
luswim06 at 12:57PM on 06/04/08
Mustard. Yech.
akk328 at 12:57PM on 06/04/08
Five spice powder.
I have a recipe pet peeve. It doesn't make me banish a recipe from my potential repertoire but here it is: when a recipe says "Allow to cool" or "Allow to boil." I understand the intent behind the directions, but just "cool" or "boil" would suffice. Is the pudding waiting for me to say the word that it's okay to cool now? Pudding says to soup:" I'm going to hold off on cooling until I'm allowed."
holdthemayo at 1:10PM on 06/04/08
Two words: condensed soup.
buffyholic at 1:18PM on 06/04/08
I stay away from deep frying-for obvious reasons.
Do not make my own bread. As a full time employee and full time college student, there's no time for this...But, later I have every intention.:)
If I find a recipe I want to try and there are ingredients I don't like or are specified, I do my own thing. Whether that's omit them or put in what I want. So, that doesn't limit me.
Butrflygirly at 1:45PM on 06/04/08
Hmm...Like Karen, I don't think I ever follow a recipe as written when I cook (unless we talk about baking), which successfully eliminates recipe deal-breakers, for the most part. I rarely deep-fry, mostly because I have to dispose of the used oil afterwards, and it's always a pain. If I do use my deep fryer (probably once every year or two), I make a gigantic batch of whatever it is I want to make (say, spring rolls or crispy wontons) and freeze most of it afterwards as there is no way I'll use 2 litres of oil to deep-fry two spring rolls I may eat for dinner that day:-).
brooke29 at 1:56PM on 06/04/08
Any recipe with more than 20 ingredients.
bessfour at 2:29PM on 06/04/08
Love the article!
I guess I have a lot of deal-breakers. Historically, I've never gone to more than three stores for any one recipe (that was a very important Valentine's dinner - and we're married now). Our kitchen is tiny, so requiring a lot of counter space is out. We have great basic equipment but few specialized items. I'd love to try pretty much anything, I love finite projects, but am mainly constrained by time and space. And food sensitivities - no eggplants and sadly no fresh cherries in my kitchen. Oh, and there's no window in there, so we try to avoid lingering odors, except garlic because it could smell like garlic 24/7 and we wouldn't mind.
wellred at 3:20PM on 06/04/08
Processed foods as ingredients:
Canned soups
Canned vegetables or fruit
Cool Whip
Canned frosting
Gravy mix
You get the idea. It's pretty much fresh/from scratch or nothing for me.
Brownie at 4:04PM on 06/04/08
Mayonaise (unless it's in crab cakes--and only a tiny bit at that)
Anchovies
Oysters
Imitation packaged sauce-like substances
Organ meats
beth1 at 4:20PM on 06/04/08
Huge amounts of fat are a real turnoff for me.
The circled "R" products as mentioned by Karen Resta.
Cream of Gak Soup or recipes that combine a bunch of other canned, boxed or bagged ingredients.
Rabbit. (Can't eat it - had one as a pet.)
Peas. (Will usually just omit them and try to sub another veggie.)
chiff0nade at 4:46PM on 06/04/08
That's really a great article. I think a deal breaker for me a lot of times is when a recipe calls for a "package" of a specific brand...instead of the measurements of a generic ingredient. Not everyone can find the same brands, and not everyone knows how big a "pkg" is!
Hillary
Chew on That
Chew on That at 6:00PM on 06/04/08
I agree with quite a few on this list...if it has a cream of _____ soup, I absolutely refuse to make it. In general if it requires any mystery type of pre-packaged, perservative laden food I move on to the next recipe and/or cookbook.
Lauren at 7:01PM on 06/04/08
This could make me quite unpopular, but I can't stand the smell of sesame oil. Hence, cannot cook with it.
Also, since having darling daughter, raw onions give me the worst kind of heartburn, and since I didn't like them all that much to begin with, I avoid recipes including lots and lots of raw onion, unless for some reason it can be bettered or at least okay with cooked or caramelized onions.
rosezilla at 8:43PM on 06/04/08
Peppers - green, red, purple, orange, yellow and every color in between. No way will I use them!
izatryt at 9:52PM on 06/04/08
gelatin. eeeew.
cybercita at 10:21PM on 06/04/08
One deal breaker is when a recipe includes "a can of. . ." I have no clue how big the can is and, even when I think I can deduce the size, I'm already turned off by the lack of clarity.
Also -- although it is not a deal-breaker 100 percent of the time -- is the use of "Rotel" or "tomato sauce with basil." I like including ingredients to my taste and those of my guests, so I rarely use these "combined" products.
tmj529 at 11:35PM on 06/04/08
I will never add nutmeg to any savory food. Greens, cream sauces-- NO WAY.
smile at 1:50AM on 06/05/08
I love this topic. This is the mother of invention. When I see a recipe and I do not like an ingredient or a combination, I adapt it. If you see an ingredient you do not like change it out, why would that stop you? Having said that there are things I will not use in a recipe even if it expressly calls for it.
Offal of any kind. The smell of it cooking causes me to gag.
I don't like to deep fry too much. I will do some snacks or chicken but that is about all.
Rolled fondant, was fun the first dozen times and I am over it.
Cilantro gets pulled out anytime I see it. I really tried to like it but I just do not.
green peppers, they are kind of raw to me so I sub any other color.
JerzeeTomato at 2:49AM on 06/05/08
I hear ya on the cilantro. I still continue to test myself and eat a little cilantro when I do our very regular Vietnamese restaurant meals, but I still spit it out. :(
If the recipe calls for raw onions, garlic, or cilantro, it gets subbed out. If it requires cooked ones, I still don't add them; however, my husband may on his own plate.
Cassaendra at 7:31AM on 06/05/08
Any kind of bell peppers (blech)
@ rosezilla...the smell of sesame oil makes me queasy also!
hammondcheese at 10:05AM on 06/05/08
Lately I've noticed in some cookbooks, presumably intended for home cooks who consider themselves quite advanced, a tendency toward products intended for molecular gastronomy. For example, Masaharu Morimoto included a recipe for caviar "tempura" in his cookbook that calls for, I believe, sheets of soy lecithin (to be wrapped around mounds of caviar before dipping them in tempura batter). Rocco DiSpirito gave directions for how to melt plastic wrap around a chicken breast for cooks who want to sous vide but don't have a Foodsaver. These are the sorts of recipes that I find contain dealbreakers. Currently. But a couple years ago I would have said that any recipe that asked me to joint a chicken or bone a fish would have been a dealbreaker and I don't mind doing it now - provided I'm in the mood, otherwise I'll substitute a piece of meat or fish that has already been broken down and make the adaptions. Or make something else.
No particular ingredient, material or technique is a specific dealbreaker. It really just depends on how much work I feel like doing versus the degree to which the recipe has captured my imagination.
Amandarama at 10:52AM on 06/05/08
This question caused me to think about how I approached recipes in the past. If I was in search of a cooky recipe, chances are it was because I wanted cookies RIGHT THEN so refrigerator doughs were out.
Of course, the usual list - Cream of Gak soup, cake mix, etc., would be off limits but I started to think about technique deal breakers. There was a time that like Amandarama, boning chix would have been a deal breaker. These days, I rarely buy boneless breasts unless I need a lot of them, instead opting to buy a whole chix and reap the benefits of the parts that don't usually make it to the package (backs and necks). I'm also cheap.
It's gotten to the point that even when recipes call for something outlandish, I might try to procure the item and try the recipe another time. The recipes I choose to prepare are indicative of how much time I have to dedicate to them and when I need the food ready. I love cassoulet but I know it takes days to make - I also know it's worth every luscious mouthful.
@hammondcheese - try poblanos next time a recipe calls for green peppers. They have a nice kick but won't scorch your mouth and have an entirely different mouthfeel than green bells.
chiff0nade at 12:05PM on 06/05/08
chiff0nade, that's a great idea with the poblanos. I love poblanos but hate green bells. I'm gonna do that from now on!
BangieB at 2:48PM on 06/05/08
Many people seem to be posting about ingredients, which is all well and good, but the actual deal-breaker for me was a recipe that called for 2 1/2 egg yolks. Come on!
Bakerloo Line at 7:29PM on 06/05/08
On my watch list is 'tender crisp.' For me, either cook the darn veggies or eat them raw!!!!! I refuse to waste the time it takes to boil a big pot of water to dip veggies in them for '30 seconds' and them shock them in ice water. And green peppers, don't even get me started......
Michigander at 10:08PM on 06/05/08
Skipping over the things I just don't like (summer squash), are allergic to (eggplant), and don't have the equipment for (ice cream), there are very few things that are outright deal-breakers. I think requiring the purchase of a unitasker might be one - I have a well-stocked kitchen, minus a few key items - but would be reluctant to purchase anything that didn't appear to have a use elsewhere. The other is something that appears to be much more work or make more dishes than the end result would otherwise justify - and I'm lookin' at you, Rachael Ray.
jenilowrance at 11:52PM on 06/05/08
I generally omit ingredients I do not like, don't have at hand or won't eat anymore... so that will not prevent me from trying a new recipe...
however, a recipe that has stages - first you do this and have to wait 3 hours to do the next step... or if you have to refrigerate something overnight before you can continue with it are a big NO-NO... that's why I am not a great baker... to impatient for that.
Madelyn
KarmaFreeCooking
MadelynRodriguez at 10:12AM on 06/06/08
Temporary deal-breakers are the ones the have ingredients that I need to go hunt for. I'm sorry, but my local grocer just doesn't stock prosciutto in 1/4 inch slices. I might tuck that recipe away for when I find the final ingredient, or maybe not.
If I'm sifting through recipes looking for the one I want to make tonight, deal-breakers would be the ones that require an extra-long step hidden in the middle. No, I want to eat the chicken tonight, I don't have time to marinate it for 4 hours. If the recipe looks good enough, I might tuck it away for a day when I've got time.
Recipes that include insane prep steps that make no sense will usually send me looking elsewhere. Explain to me why I need to transfer the stuff I just mixed into a glass bowl and I might do it. But if it makes no logical sense and there's no explanation for it, I'm most likely to think the recipe-writer is a sadistic control freak, and I'll move on.
dbcurrie at 1:55AM on 06/07/08
For the moment, anything that requires broiling or grilling, as the broiler on my tiny NYC "kiddie" stove is unpredictable, and there's no "outdoors" for an outdoors grill :-(. Can't wait for the day when I have a real kitchen in a real house with a real backyard that can hold a real grill! Also, anything that requires dragging out the blender, since--did I mention?--I have no counter space either.
wholovesboo at 10:21AM on 06/09/08
Anything that has pork or shellfish in it, I can't make because it isn't a kosher recipe. Now, if it's something like fried chicken and mashed potatoes, I just omit the buttermilk bath and dredge the chicken in flour, an egg wash then seasoned pareve bread crumbs and I use soy milk and soy butter in my mashed potatoes. You really can't taste a difference in the milk and butter since you're cooking with it. The only time I can taste a difference in real butter and soy butter is if I'm licking it off my fingers, even on toast you can't really tell the difference, at least I can't.
Oh, and FYI, pareve means 'meat and dairy free'
For a good soy butter in stick form, use Willow Run and for a good soy butter in tub form, the light blue fleischman's is really good.
hsanch1 at 10:28AM on 06/09/08
Mustard....gross
diamath at 5:59PM on 06/14/08