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Hannah and the science of taste

I really enjoyed Hannah's article on "Flavor: What We Thought We Knew Is Wrong". I was a great tool in explaining to my boyfriend why our tastes differ in certain instances.
For example: When I tell him that I enjoy an earthy flavour (like mushrooms or beets) he says "explain, I don't know what you mean". And I'm not much of a writer so, the best answer I could give him was "I like the taste of dirt, okay?!"

What are your favourite 'basic tastes' (if there is such a thing), and how do you describe them?

See article here: http://www.seriouseats.com/required_eating/2008/06/flavor-chemistry-science-of-taste.html

17 Comments:

I love the taste of pickled ginger. When people ask me what it tastes like I say like soap. LOL Not sure that's basic but eh.

Anything that makes my nose run - it that a taste or a sensation?

I agree with bodaciousgirl that ginger has a soapy -- pleasantly soapy -- taste. As does the infamous cilantro, which I love. I wonder whether they somehow have the same chemistry.

Hm. I love ginger and hate cilantro. I'd describe pickled ginger as astringent but not soapy. Cilantro tastes like soapy murky water to me. And I totally think that beets taste like dirt. But I'm not sure that I think mushrooms taste like dirt. I really like things that taste very fresh and green - for example asparagus - you might say these things taste grassy?

I really liked the article too! I have been realizing lately what things I like a lot that others don't.

Here's a list of what I like:
hot sauce
ginger
mushrooms
cilantro
olives

and what I don't:
pickles (too salty)
onions

Hillary
Chew on That

I think by far my favorite taste is pickled things/vinegar. My parents could get me to eat canned spinach as a kid by letting me put as much cider vinegar as I wanted on it. I'd have seconds, even though I found the texture absolutely foul.

About the only food item that I ever dislike due to taste is things that are laden with a whole lot of cilantro. Most of the time it's a texture thing if I really dislike something, and even that is unusual.

@jlbrach, I'm totally with you on the green-tasting foods. Asparagus, zucchini, cucumbers, green peppers, snow peas -- they're so good!

Cilantro, I don't like either. Tastes metallic, like the scent of an old cookie sheet.

It's easier to identify what I don't like. I've never liked beets but someone convinced me that roasted beets would transform them so we bought a small one of each kind they had at the store (4). The cashier laughed and told us we'd be back... but turns out we'd bought way too much! They tasted completely like icky flavored dirt. I'd prefer straight dirt.

However, cilantro had always just tasted like something I need to get out of my mouth NOW! Never gave much consideration to what it tasted like. However once I heard people say soap in regards to it I was reminded of the time I was at my fave Mexican place and the green salsa which had always been safe (and I love tomatillos which taste "fresh" to me) tasted as if they'd left the soap in the containers when washing instead of rinsing. Maybe even as if there was an extra squirt or two of dish soap in the batch. It was awful.

Have never liked vinegary stuff either though I have liked good pickles (not sweet, ew) and sauerkraut and even used to drink the pickle juice. I did finally discover the joys of good balsamic which amazes me because I don't like grapes in any other incarnation including raisins and wine (and I have really tried there). Also avoid hoppy beer. Too bitter. Not big on lemon either (though it can help temper the bitter in beer somehow) but lime is divine.

My sis-in-law has spent years trying to trick me into liking mushrooms. I'm not sure if that was calculated to get me to stop coming over or what. Apparently I exacted revenge on her one time by fixing a bell pepper centered dinner.

Sieseye - did you peel the beets? :-D

I mainly dislike things based on texture as opposed to flavor, but licorice is an exception, as are olives. Yet I love other strong flavors, spicy, pickled, bitter, etc. I also like things that are mildly licorice-y, like basil.

Maybe we should be describing flavors by what happens to your mouth and/or face and/or... Like hot Chinese mustard, I get a tingly scalp! A good pickle, the pucker. And so on.

wellred, are beets supposed to be peeled? :]

I can't remember. It was a bit of a trauma. I'd needed a lot of convincing because the childhood memories were deep. I'm sure we scrubbed them well and cut them up to roast with a bunch of other veggies which were then colored and flavored by the beets so those were tossed as well.

Guess that would make a good thread too. Those things we just don't know about some food that keeps us from eating it.

I do like black licorice even the very strong stuff. Basil is dreamy but I've never noticed the licorice taste (though I'll pay extra attention next time). I also haven't had fresh fennel that tastes licorice-like to me but I don't like fennel seed much (which has licorice-ness but something else) and cloves in savory stuff are really unpleasant but I loved spice drops as a youngster.

Your mention of body reactions is interesting. I never liked spicy-hot Mexican but loved spicy-hot Thai. It seemed to me the pepper burn happened in different places with the first being up front in the mouth and the second more a throat thing. Burt Wolf on PBS did a show about peppers and confirmed that sensation for me which was akin to giving me permission to just enjoy and not feel bad about what I do and don't like.

Mint. Mint has an awful texture and a worse taste. Mint is a WEED indeed!

I adore sour flavors. As a kid, pickles were a favorite snack. Really, there's not much I don't like. I hate coconut because of the texture, but I don't mind coconut milk in curries. I dislike raisins, but that's a whole long story, and it's a mental block more than taste or texture.

Sometimes my tastebuds will go all wonky on me, and I'll start tasting odd things that no one else does. I can remember a week where I was trying to track down an elusive soapy taste that seemed to be invading a variety of things. I thought maybe dishes hadn't been rinsed well enough, then I thought maybe it was the butter that had gone off.

DH thought I was nuts, because everything tasted fine to him. Eventually, it just went away. Maybe I was coming down with a cold or something, because that always throws off my sense of taste, but it was truly odd, tasting soap in so many things.

I love bold flavors, but I like subtle flavors as well.

Textures can be more off-putting. I don't like really stringy celery, for instance, or getting really woody aspargus that should have been trimmed shorter. I hate fish with tiny bones. I hate hate hate finding eggshells in anything.

@dbcurrie -- UGH! Eggshells pieces are the very worst. I can still remember an egg mcmuffin I had that had one and a Danish donut my sis-in-law made me (while she was very toasted) that seemed to have an entire eggshell in it. Both happened years ago but that's how bad it is to get them in the food. I'll crack eggs into a separate bowl to make sure they are shell-free before adding to anything or cooking. But, I do save my empty eggshells, cleaned and crushed to give to the chickens down the road. They love them and it gives them the calcium they need to make new shells.

I'm eager to hear how things worked out with your in-laws. I've been pondering over that for days and wondered if it's possible that they do love your food but don't understand it's been seasoned because they don't understand seasonings themselves? Given the topic of this post, I'm not being too OT here. :)

I also love salty, briny, acidic things. People are always telling me to get the lemons and limes out of my mouth, because I'll ruin the enamel on my teeth (they say this while sucking down a Coke, but that's another story). And I can't resist a tinge of bitter. My favorite drink in the world, hands down, is Schweppes bitter lemon. And my favorite food is oil-cured Sicilian/Moroccan olives.

I could eat Japanese pickles every day of my life, gladly.

@sieseye, the inlaws are coming over this weekend for dinner, and if the mood is right, I'm going to try to corner both of them about the foods they won't eat. I've actually compiled a list of things I know they'll eat, and things they've told me they don't like, as sort of a cheatsheet. Some of it I absolutely know is correct, some of it is iffy. We'll see if I can get some clarification. I don't know if I'll let them see the list, or maybe just hang it on the fridge and let one of them spy it, or whether I will give it to them as homework. As I said, it depends on the mood. We might not get around to the discussion or I might just quiz them on one or two things. I'd like to get the spice thing straight.

Last weekind DH had a chat with FIL while MIL was out of the room. I asked him to get me a clarification on steak. I was pretty sure he'd be okay with it, but that it was off MILs list because she wouldn't pay that much for meat.

What FIL said was that he likes pretty much any meat except duck and game meats. This almost opposite of what MIL said when she listed the "only" meats he would eat, and there were five very specific items -- and then he added roasts to the list. However, I also know that his "I like all meats" is not completely correct, either, because he has mentioned things that he doesn't like. And of course, there's preparation. A steak will be fine, but if I sliced it up and gave him a tortilla, he wouldn't eat it.

Sigh. And in another not-helpful communication, MIL gave DH back the containers I had used when I brought them ice cream last time, and she told him that they didn't want refills because he is on a diet. Which could mean almost anything. I will clarify that before the weekend as well, since I was planning on making butter pecan ice cream, which is his favorite.

Back to the topic.

Double-sigh. I love food. Spicy, sweet, sour, salty...hot, cold, warm, frozen, seared, crunchy, smooshy. I find it hard to believe that anyone could not in some way enjoy eating food. I can't imagine sitting down at the dinner table and saying, "Oh drat, I have to do this tedious chewing and swallowing chore so I will live another day. I wish I could skip this and just take a pill."

Or, for some people, is it like breathing? They don't actually enjoy it, but they do it because not doing it is a bigger problem?

Ha! You just described my daughter dbcurrie! I can't tell you how many times she's said she just wishes she could take a pill and skip the whole have-to-eat-something ordeal. I think she likes food well enough but she hates the need to eat and the need to put it together and the rules around it like needing to think about it, bring it with you (say to school), to balance and only eat so much of this and so much of that and that it can make you overweight (which she was for a couple years in elementary school and experienced all the cruel even though it was just a bit plump -- finding clothes was really hard too).

But, we also have wildly different tastes. If taste is genetic she didn't get it from me. I'm not a bread eater but she loves it (and unfortunately seems to be gluten-intolerant which doesn't help her like the idea of food). I don't like cilantro and she does. I love salads and soups and she doesn't like any. I could go on. It's been a struggle for both of us. However, I predict ten years from now she'll be quite the foodie and the toast of her friends if not her town. I forced several months of focused cooking classes on her (since she wouldn't learn from me) and she's opened up her world immensely and her buds are all excited about her skills which makes her happy. She's cooked several things for me too so the payback is well worth it. What's funny is even though we'll both have a veggie burger for instance, we'll have two different flavors and then completely different toppings. But there are certainly times I wish I could just eat when I feel like it and not because I really need to because I'm miserable otherwise.

Have you ever cooked with your MIL? Have you seen her cook? She may have some issues around cooking that may even have been exacerbated by the FIL in all new ways. She may have never learned how to cook and has been winging it this whole time and is very insecure and/or clueless around food. I left home knowing essentially nothing. I could toast bread (and poptarts) but pretty much nothing else other than follow directions on box and can labels (ie: condensed soup and the helpers). The ex™ made it all much worse with his food issues and general nastiness. My cooking skills and food knowledge have come from PBS cooking shows and especially the internet mostly from the last several years. With those skills have come some confidence I used to only wish I had and felt keenly when I'd see it in others. There were lots of days I felt like an impostor and as if I'd be busted any day...

@Seis, when MIL and I ended up in the same state, away from the rest of the clan, she commented that she wished there was something fun we could do together, and I suggested cooking. Nope, not a chance. When they're here for dinner, she stays rooted in the living room and doesn't poke her nose into the kitchen for more than a minute.

When we visit her, I always hang out in the kitchen with her, if she's actually cooking anything in there (It's mostly microwave reheating, and she cooks most things in the garage in a toaster-oven or a GF grill or some other device she's got stashed out there.) Sometimes she'll cook potatoes and make mashed potatoes in the kitchen, and I always help her dish up and serve things, and I've seen her make gravy from start to finish, which convinced me to forever avoid her gravy.

Want her gravy recipe? Overheat a teflon frying pan so that any pesky birds in the neighborhood will surely drop dead. Throw in some flour, dry. Cook until at least some of the flour is burned. Add water. Add more water. Oops, too much water. Add some more raw flour. Yep, that looks like gravy.

To add texture, take whatever bits have broken off the meat that this will be served with -- no more that half a teaspoon, if that -- and stir that into the vat of gravy. Serve.

Now, the interesting thing about this gravy is that it doesn't taste bad. As a matter of fact, it has no discernable flavor at all. Then again, it has no salt, spices, meat juices, or fat. It would probably do a fine job holding wallpaper onto a wall.

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