Are you familiar with Google?
A couple weeks ago or so, FastFoodCritic posted a topic in which he voiced his annoyance with people promoting their sites as signatures to their posts. While I didn't agree with him, and also didn't bother commenting on that thread, I do think he is right in pointing out some annoying behaviors in this forum.
The most annoying one to me, is people posting questions that can easily be answered by doing a little bit of easy searching. Questions like "where can I get San Marzano Tomato seeds" for example... Certain questions can't be answered by searching the internet, and those are the truly interesting questions, and the ones that a forum like this one are made to solve. I find it really annoying when people don't even bother to search first on their own.
To those posting these silly questions: are you really not familiar with Google? Are you just lazy? Do you realize that it takes more effort for you to post your innane questions, then come back and check to see if they were answered, than to just look it up yourself? What gives???
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Sometimes the hive mind has better knowledge than an algorithm, but ymmv.
Raphael at 12:46PM on 06/25/08
people like to come to message boards because they like to interact with others and exchange ideas. what you deem "silly" is considered fun to others. what people do with their time is their business. if you don't like a certain topic that is presented in Talk, skip reading it. it's that simple.
french tart at 12:47PM on 06/25/08
Looks like somebody missed snack time................
izatryt at 12:59PM on 06/25/08
if I saw a "silly" question here, I would assume the person hopes for recommendations from trusted members of the site, not that they couldn't Google and find 2,395,762 un-tested results
Cary at 1:06PM on 06/25/08
Ditto to all the above responses. I think if people are internet-savvy enough to use the SE forum, they have to know how to do a simple search. Google is a great resource, but if you're looking for something specific and don't want to sift through all the ads and irrelevant websites that inevitably turn up when Googling, talking to real people is the best resource I can think of.
@simon, someone could say the same thing about your recent Talk posts. Why not just google "NYC Japanese Liquor Store"?
LiveToEat at 1:15PM on 06/25/08
I'll keep score on this one:
LiveToEat - 1
Simon - 0
izatryt at 1:21PM on 06/25/08
I thought that question regarding sourcing San Marzano Seeds that Simon was referring to was on topic, followed the thread, and a valid question.
bisbee at 1:22PM on 06/25/08
I understand what you're saying, Simon - and I'm not going to turn it into a game or keep score as to who's "winning".
The key word to keep in mind in terms of what you ask is "community".
That, is the reason. Google gives answers. As a matter of fact the Cambridge World History of Food or Larousse or Betty Crocker sometimes even give better answers, answers with a focused identity of authority to boot.
It's not to a large point about the answers though. Its about the other thing. The warm fuzzy thing. Community.
The community may be virtual - not "real" in ways nor answerable in ways that other resources may be. But it is "community". :)
foodvox at 1:31PM on 06/25/08
LMAO@someone missed snack time........and what's ymmv?....also i agree with french tart....if ya dont like the topic.....dont read it.....duh !!!
onepercent99 at 1:37PM on 06/25/08
@LiveToEat: I did google NYC Japanese Liquor Store, and did not find satisfactory results, so then turned to the SE community for advice.
simon at 1:37PM on 06/25/08
One of the best things about online communities like this is that if someone asks a question that might be considered "stupid" or "lazy", 5 other users might have been curious about the same thing and will get an answer that they might not have sought out otherwise.
worldcupfever at 1:41PM on 06/25/08
My thoughts on this, for what it's worth: If you have a question (or comment), anything at all, you should feel free to post it here with impunity. That, at it's core, is what this forum is all about. If you find the question "innane", move on to another thread and ignore...simple as that. Someone else, who doesn't mind answering (and believe me, those people are legion), will take it up and feel free to comment/respond.
Sound good to everyone? Good. Now, let's all move on...
Chaoss at 1:44PM on 06/25/08
@onepercent - ymmv = your mileage may vary.
izatryt at 2:10PM on 06/25/08
Amen! When answering questions, I've been known to remind people that "Google is your friend."
chgoeditor at 2:14PM on 06/25/08
I consider myself search-engine savvy;
and everyone is right.
Serious Eats is my lunch-time/tech waiting site! I love food! So do you!
Maybe you could start a blog with a community that feels the same way?
hungrychristel at 3:36PM on 06/25/08
I play an MMOG and have a hot-key "[insert gaming search engine] is your friend" because I am so tired of easily answered questions being asked repeatedly just because the person is too lazy to window out. There is a population of people who enjoy asking very simple questions, sometimes repeatedly, just to rile people up. :P
Usually, when I ask something that can be looked up and I've found nothing but rubbish, I phrase the inquiry by stating that I've already looked up the information; however, I need more specific or helpful information to avoid the *roll eyes* "LRN2Google" jeers. :)
Cassaendra at 3:57PM on 06/25/08
@Cassaendra - not to incite the noble techies, but.........Huh? You just made my hair flame out! MMOG? And whatever gaming engine means. I need an excedrine.
izatryt at 4:12PM on 06/25/08
izatryt, try googling MMOG ;)
simon at 4:38PM on 06/25/08
@simon - I am probably one of the biggest question "offenders". I am old and VERY tech challenged. (I know, I know.........Google, Google, Google) The good new is, I think pretty much everything on this site is entertaining and I learn a lot. Like I just "windowed out" and learned MMOG = Massively Multiplayer Online Game. I'm gonna' get me a Wii and join a new "world" (Still need the excedrine) ~:-O
izatryt at 5:28PM on 06/25/08
"Do you realize that it takes more effort for you to post your innane questions, then come back and check to see if they were answered, than to just look it up yourself?"
Inane.
The internet is also full of dictionary websites.
holdthemayo at 10:27PM on 06/25/08
Some questions are obviously most efficiently Googled. Some are google-able, but the kind of results you get with a search are different than the results you get here.
For example, a common kind of question here is, "what do/should I do with X?" I've asked this question myself. Obviously there are thousands of recipes for any given X out there, but the recipes or tips offered here are, I assume, tested and valued by someone (someone who cares about food/cooking) enough to personally recommend.
Some of the least google-able questions posted here are arguably the most inane, and often the most popular (favorite cereals, kids foods, etc.).
If anything, I think some of the questions that seem misplaced here are just more appropriate for an area-specific forum like the Chowhound boards (eg,where to find a Japanese liquor store in NYC).
And ok, googling ymmv or mmog takes about 3 seconds, but I chalk that up to people treating "Talk" like a conversation.
renzata at 11:32PM on 06/25/08
Based on search engine optimization practices these days, Google can't always yield the best results first, so real people recommendations are a better source, don't you think?
Hillary
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Chew on That at 12:24PM on 06/26/08
I turn to the Serious Eats forum whenever I'm looking for quality results from a trusted source. For the most part, the people who participate in this forum, are intelligent, thoughtful, and most importantly, know what they're talking about.
hamkracker at 1:16PM on 06/26/08
"The internet is also full of dictionary websites."
Great, then you can look up the word "typo," and "nickpicking."
Since your handle is holdthemayo though, you are immediately disqualified from the conversation, as mayo is one the most delicious gifts to the food world.
simon at 1:34PM on 06/26/08
You meant "nitpicking", right Mr.Typo?
You can Google anything. I could Google myself, but I'm more interested in hearing what the people who know me have to say.
The point of posting threads is definitely not getting quick answers, but about getting thorough, diverse answers. Someone might, for example, ask the best way to peel a cucumber. This might be completely obvious to 99.9% of us, but there might be SOMEONE out there who's never peeled a cucumber, and someone else, who suggests a handy cucumber-peeling trick they picked up somewhere, and someone ELSE who gives their favorite cucumber recipe, and someone ELSE who gets the idea or courage to ask about the difference in cucumber varieties, and by the end of it, the 99.9% of us who thought it was a dumb question have probably learned something new.
Sigh. I'm sticking with frenchtart on this one - if you're not interested, skip it.
embolini9 at 2:21PM on 06/26/08
This type of question generally gets raised on most boards where I participate. There are those of us who read a question, open up a new browser tab (my homepage is google) and type in the question. Fourteen zillion possible answers usually pop up.
Some people might prefer a T&T response to what might seem like a question that obviously should get pumped into google. Remember, you can't believe everything you read on the internet.
chiff0nade at 2:28PM on 06/26/08
Um, Simon, I think your nitpicking about the questions that people post is the reason I found it funny that you misspelled inane. You dished it but I guess you can't take it.
Not sure why I should be looking up typo, as there wasn't one in my post.
And you presume to think that I disdain mayo because my nickname is "holdthemayo." I don't like mayo on burgers at any establishment because the tendency is to slather way too much on said burger, so I order it on the side or do without.
Do you work here to DQ people from commenting on your posts?
holdthemayo at 3:43PM on 06/26/08
May I address the original post? Simon, your example of a "silly" question ("where can I get San Marzano Tomato seeds") isn't so silly to me. Frankly, I've never heard of San Marzano tomatoes.
{{ SEers -- please don't flame me for that! ;-) }}
I found that post interesting, because I learned something new about tomatoes. I appreciate questions like that, because that's why I'm here -- to share and learn.
Can't we all just get along??
Editmom at 4:03PM on 06/26/08
Since so few have, I'd like to put in a word in Simon's defense. I've seen lots of questions where my first thought was "Duh ... Google!"
Not all "What is ... " questions are created equally. For example (sorry editmom!) if I saw a food item or word I wasn't familiar with, like San Marzano tomatoes, I'd google it. And I would expect others to do that too. But "What is so much better about San Marzano tomatoes" is different than "What is a San Marzano tomato?" The first asks for more information and some opinions, the latter just asks what are they.
I think those are the kinds of questions Simon is referring too -- not the ones that elicit a longer, more thoughtful response but the ones that ask a question that could be answered easily by doing a simple search.
That said, Simon could have been a little more thoughtful in how he phrased it .... pointing out that one thinks another poster's question is inane is pretty much guaranteed to require that one don the flame retardant suit and duck for cover to avoid the flames that will certainly come one's way.
kjgibson at 5:25PM on 06/26/08
I respectfully request our moderators close this thread as it has nothing to do with food or eating, only about our individual views on how we should all use Google (or not).
izatryt at 7:57PM on 06/26/08
Izatryt, I would agree that it has nothing to do with food or eating, but it's appropriately classified "Site Feedback" and so far has been a reasonably civil discussion about how people might use this site for information about food and cooking.
I'm inclined to agree with kgibson, who seems to get at simon's point in a more tactful manner.
I wouldn't complain about someone posting a "what are san marzano" type question here; it's well within their right. I do, however, think that Googling that kind of a question is a much more efficient way to find out than logging in, posting a question, and waiting for a response.
renzata at 8:57PM on 06/26/08
@renzata - Respectfully, it isn't an issue with the site, it is an issue with the posters and their apparent challenges. I say, not fair and let's just stop now.
izatryt at 9:45PM on 06/26/08
@holdthemayo: You go!!
I would just like to ask: what do you care about someone else's post? I am going to agree with the others. You see the Headline-if you don't like it don't read the question/thread. I mean, if it makes you feel better to point out someone else's question as being inane-then wow. This is a "Talk" forum. People don't know everything and would rather "talk" to humans than search Google. For the most part (excluding this), it's more pleasurable.
I hope this thread does not make people feel as though they can't ask whatever they want. Not every member feels the way Simon does.
Let's move on to better, more delicious posts. :)
Butrflygirly at 10:02PM on 06/26/08
izatryt, it is site feedback in that it's a discussion over what's considered topical and in that I think it's been very instructive and "in-site-ful" as it gets to what is community, how conversations develop and the issues of tact. I found over the years that those who complain the most are usually those who are the most guilty of exactly that they bring up. It may be the very reason it bugs them so much even if they don't realize it.
I think it's good to point out that even a basic question such as, "What is ketchup" can be expounded upon by skilled commenters to become poetic or include a favorite recipe or branch off into the benefits of organic or even making it at home. I often end up on google looking for the answer to questions here. They spur me to find out more.
However, when googling I'm careful about where I click in and I've discovered that as good as my searching skills, others (like those who can't make rice) aren't as saavy. They have different strengths.
Also, we should be careful not to dismiss the desire to feel a part of the community by asking a question and receiving answers. Sometimes it's not about the info but the interaction.
Sieseye at 11:21PM on 06/26/08
I think some people missed something here.
The title of the thread:
"What to do with fresh San Marzanos?"
Is different from what Simon was commenting on within in that thread:
"Could someone disclose a source for San Marzano tomato plants, or even the seeds?"
Cassaendra at 11:51PM on 06/26/08
Yeah, seriously. If you find a question, in your opinion, "inane" then skip it. It's a website. There's other stuff to read. Why get worked up? So, someone wants to ask real people a (basic) question instead of using a search engine? So what?
Amandarama at 6:04PM on 06/27/08
(in another thread where he was busy attacking people)
Simon said -- As for you, FastFoodCritic, stick a sock in it. I find the admonishments of a passive aggressive spineless weasel such as yourself, someone who takes pride in touting their affinity for eating garbage no less, to be laughable.
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I did not see that comment until NOW, when somebody emailed me about it. Adam closed the thread because it got ugly between Simon and a couple other people. That was of course the right thing to do.
HOWEVER -- I never got a chance to defend myself, and considering I was just trying to be a nice guy, and was coming to the defense of a lady who Simon was needlessly insulting in that thread, I feel I deserve a chance to say SOMETHING.
And it's simply THIS -- Dear Simon, it's quite odd to hear you call me a "spineless weasel" since you don't know me in real life. My name and website is public, but I see you choose to be anonymous. Let me personally invite you step forward like a man, and identify yourself. Otherwise, let me invite you shut your mouth and quit attacking people in this community.
Coward. You would never say a word to my face.
FastFoodCritic at 5:47PM on 07/04/08
Simon - please contact me anytime you feel up to it. You know my website already, but I will happily provide you with my phone number and home address too. It's not a problem.
Come see me tough guy. Anytime! :)
P.S. - Adam and Team S.E. I understand you might close this, but I ask that you please leave my comments in tact. This person called me out -- and I want it on record that I answered that call. Thank you.
FastFoodCritic at 5:55PM on 07/04/08
I think it's fair to say that all sides have had ample opportunity to express their opinions on this matter, so we're going to close the thread.
Alaina Browne at 10:02PM on 07/04/08