Would you eat...People?
Simple question. Would you eat a human?
I could paint all types of scenarios... You are stranded in the dessert with no food or water, somebody dies... etc.
But does that really matter? Wouldn't hunger and the will for survival overpower any moral, religious or personal beliefs you have? Or would you starve to death?
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63 Comments:
I can't even imagine being in a position where this scenario could play out - but never say never. There but for the grace of God go I.
chiff0nade at 4:19PM on 05/25/08
No.
Brownie at 4:30PM on 05/25/08
With the right sea salt it might be a possibility
bessfour at 4:34PM on 05/25/08
with some fava beans and a nice chianti...................
onepercent99 at 4:55PM on 05/25/08
Shoot, if it's amply marbled, I'll slap a usda prime logo on it and go to town.
wookie at 5:06PM on 05/25/08
Talking of fava beans, we ate recently at a restaurant in New York where the head waiter looked *just* like Hannibal Lecter. He walked quietly and with great composure and even the modulation of his voice was the same. Spooky....
Foodlexi at 5:22PM on 05/25/08
Actually, thinking more, I wouldn't mind someone eating me, if it was a matter of life and death and if they didn't actually kill me achieve this. If I was in a situation where it might be the case that I might die, and that someone or others might do well by eating me, I would certainly give permission for them to do so. So, on that basis, and with some difficulty - having recently said that I would never eat a primate - and knowing that I would have to be very very hungry indeed before I could do it - a qualified 'yes'.
Foodlexi at 5:26PM on 05/25/08
I don't think I would have a problem with it, assuming that somebody else did the prep work. I can't see myself hacking up a body, even if I was starving. But if you tossed me a piece of flesh ready for the skillet, sure why not.
If the choice was that, or death.
FastFoodCritic at 5:55PM on 05/25/08
Does licking count??? ;-p
PerkyMac at 6:06PM on 05/25/08
lmfao@perky
onepercent99 at 6:15PM on 05/25/08
It's sald to taste like Spam, it that's any help.
srhcb at 7:03PM on 05/25/08
I would like to have asked this question to Jeffery Dahmer
rabbitriddle at 7:25PM on 05/25/08
if you had no water you would die of thirst long before you died of hunger, plus there ain't much wood in the desert to use for cooking and eating the body raw would kill you anyway....enjoy.
olddad at 8:31PM on 05/25/08
I hope I never live to see the day. As a resident of Lake Tahoe, I have seen many brutal winters and have been to the Donner museum several times. The Donner party is a haunting tale of how the pioneers attempted to get to California in 1846 and a tale of death, endurance and survival. Many of them survived and reverted to eating the flesh of other humans. The Donner Party documentary HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
Catharine56 at 8:39PM on 05/25/08
I really can't stand tough meat, so it would depend on the preparation. I probably would.
Cassaendra at 8:44PM on 05/25/08
@Perky: Seriously, I can not answer because I am laughing WAY TOO HARD. OMG. Priceless.
Butrflygirly at 8:52PM on 05/25/08
Yes I would. Not the active ones, they would be too stringy.
browntown at 9:12PM on 05/25/08
um, would that they had 'organ donor' on their driver's license make it easier... hahahahaha.
nightmoon at 9:26PM on 05/25/08
Only if he/she/it/they come with the salad bar, and a mini soft serve ice cream (vanilla or chocolate... depending...)
skipfires at 4:14AM on 05/26/08
The underside of the upper arm of a woman is said to be favoured cut.
Foodlexi at 5:46AM on 05/26/08
@Perky,
Live or dead?!
Foodlexi at 5:47AM on 05/26/08
>>>>> if you had no water you would die of thirst long before you died of hunger, plus there ain't much wood in the desert to use for cooking and eating the body raw would kill you anyway....enjoy.
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Ok, you are disqualified, Mr Smarty-Pants.
And you'll be the first one we eat.
In fact, wookie (^up there^) has a knife and fork in hand.... staring at you.
FastFoodCritic at 5:51AM on 05/26/08
Only if I really thought I had a chance of surviving. If I was on a desert island and there really was no other food, then I would really only be buying myself more time before my inevitable death. However, if it were the case like the Donner party where I just had to wait out the storm and I could eventually make it to civilization or be rescued, then I might.
blankplate at 9:30AM on 05/26/08
I am officially speechless! ;-D
izatryt at 9:55AM on 05/26/08
i shall never let another man past my lips.
cybercita at 10:20AM on 05/26/08
@cybercita - What about a woman?
izatryt at 10:23AM on 05/26/08
@izatryt -- ha! it's a quote from some old british dance hall routine -- flanders and swann, maybe? very funny and full of double entendres. claudia schmidt, a brilliant singer songwriter from chicago, used to perform it. it went {in part} "i won't eat people, i won't eat people, eating people is wrong. i shall never let another man past my lips!" i can't recall the rest but it was big fun.
cybercita at 11:05AM on 05/26/08
@cybercita - I think I am still speechless on the subject of eating people.....I wonder if people, "Taste just like chicken?"
izatryt at 11:19AM on 05/26/08
@Perky,
Live or dead?!
Foodlexi at 5:47AM on 05/26/08
@Foodlexi.......I always check to make sure they're very much alive and if not, they're off my man as lollipop/ice cream cone list. Sorry, no women. ;-)
PerkyMac at 12:28PM on 05/26/08
No - not people - ick...
But I would definitely have some soylent green. I heard that stuff is yum!
bodaciousgirl at 2:00PM on 05/26/08
@PerkyMac,
Well - that's a relief!
You're right Cybercita,
Wonderfully remembered.
I had to go to check the whole song. Here it is:
http://members.optushome.com.au/pennywyatt/Interests/FlandersSwann/DropOfaHat/At%20the%20Drop%20of%20a%20Hat09.html
I seem not to have to have got the knack of putting in links that work. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? (Hope this one works in the meantime.
Foodlexi at 2:33PM on 05/26/08
Wouldn't hunger and the will for survival overpower any moral, religious or personal beliefs you have?
Everybody has different tolerances . . . for physical pain, hunger, disgust, et cetera. Some people aren't even aware of their tolerance limits.
I wonder how the Donner Party would have answered your question before they embarked on their journey.
Susquehanna at 2:40PM on 05/26/08
Right now, the thought isn't completely repelling, so....maybe?
(If I were really desperate and/or I were assured people were really really delicious).
fuuchan at 2:45PM on 05/26/08
Funny, I was just talking with my son about this recently. Didja every read the book Alive! by Piers Paul Read? The details are fuzzy, but as I recall, an airplane full of (Peruvian?) soccer players crashes on the top of a mountain in the Andes. After a certain number of days, they realize no one is coming for them and some of them start tucking into the expired passengers. Very interesting book, but I'm not sure why my HS English teacher assigned it...
Dee at 5:23PM on 05/26/08
@foodlexi, you made my day! i haven't ever seen that song written down. i was a fan of claudia's in high school, and that's going back a decade or three.
off topic, who are you rooting for on britain's got talent? i'm stuck on andrew muir. {i watch snips of it on youtube. i'm totally hooked!}
cybercita at 9:19PM on 05/26/08
Dee, I too thought of Alive, since that's a much more recent example of cannibalism by necessity than the Donner Party. I think they were Chileans. They had plenty of water because they were in a snow-covered region of the Andes. I'm not sure I remember correctly, but they may also have had fuel for cooking...
Julie at 11:37AM on 05/27/08
When my ancestors were coming to this country a few generations ago, their ship broke down and they were stranded mid-ocean. Food ran out, and the passengers and crew were literally starving. A small number of people volunteered to be killed and eaten. There was a doctor on board who examined the volunteers, and one person was selected. Shortly before this was to occur, another ship was sighted and signaled. Rescue came and nobody died. Close call for all involved.
This is a family story that occured in the late 19th century, and I have no way to authenticate it. It is, I believe, a true story.
1stmakearoux at 12:13PM on 05/27/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfxNYKWcN4
Good old hufu.
wunami at 1:36PM on 05/27/08
Just think of the hiker that hacked his own arm off to escape being pinned down by a boulder, he knew it was that or death. I think the will to live sometimes trumps other issues like being grossed out or morally opposed and becomes very practical, like -- eat this dead body and you live. Then of course deal with the emotional consequences later, like I think happened with the "Alive" survivors.
megannesta at 1:44PM on 05/27/08
Just watched SWEENEY TODD, again, and must say...
(Sweeney & Mrs. Lovett, dialogue back and forth...)
TODD: (spoken) These are desperate times,
Mrs. Lovett, and desperate measures are called for!
LOVETT: Here we are, now! Hot out of the oven!
TODD: What is that?
LOVETT:
It's priest. Have a little priest.
TODD:
Is it really good?
LOVETT:
Sir, it's too good, at least!
Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh,
So it's pretty fresh.
TODD:
Awful lot of fat.
LOVETT:
Only where it sat.
TODD:
Haven't you got poet, or something like that?
LOVETT:
No, y'see, the trouble with poet is
'Ow do you know it's deceased?
Try the priest!
BRILLIANT!!!
skipfires at 3:18PM on 05/27/08
That all depends. Do I get to pick who I get to eat?
Every time I look around I see people who, based on their diet, personal hygiene and lifestyle would not be deemed edible by the USDA.
That whole 'you are what you eat' thing freaks me out.
And speaking of that, do you think a smoker would taste different from a non-smoker?
@skipfires--Please tell me you watched the 1982 version starring Angela Lansbury and George Hearn. It's a classic.
ajeys at 3:52PM on 05/27/08
"It was like good, fully developed veal, not young, but not yet beef. It was very definitely like that, and it was not like any other meat I had ever tasted. It was so nearly like good, fully developed veal that I think no person with a palate of ordinary, normal sensitiveness could distinguish it from veal. It was mild, good meat with no other sharply defined or highly characteristic taste such as for instance, goat, high game, and pork have. The steak was slightly tougher than prime veal, a little stringy, but not too tough or stringy to be agreeably edible. The roast, from which I cut and ate a central slice, was tender, and in color, texture, smell as well as taste, strengthened my certainty that of all the meats we habitually know, veal is the one meat to which this meat is accurately comparable." -William Buehler Seabrook for the New York Times, 1930
You can totally get transmissible spongiform encephalopathies from cannibalism.
Christina at 4:30PM on 05/27/08
Yikes!
izatryt at 4:53PM on 05/27/08
I have said this before. I like my neighbors but as we all are 3 meals away from anarchy, I would dispatch my neighbors and feast on them with some mashed and gravy and shed tears while doing it. I would honor then by preparing them with respect and honor and a good garnish and side dish.
JerzeeTomato at 8:33PM on 05/27/08
I recently saw a documentary involving the survivors of the air crash in the Andes on which 'Alive' was based. They had almost all survived into old age. They seemed almost without exception to have a grace and distinction, and a sense of indebtedness and appreciation of what had been donated by those who died in the crash, and enormous, profound respect.
They, of course, absolutely did not kill anyone, but ate the flesh of those who had died and which was preserved in the freezing conditions on the mountain. During the documentary, the survivors together with surviving relatives of those who had died, went to the crash site. It was so dignified and forgiving of their awful dilemma - but I think mainly because of their own extraordinary dignity and humanity.
You did sort of wonder whether they had ever really been able to have 'fun' again, but might perhaps have spent their lives thinking that they could never be seen again to be laughing or trivialising anything. I think I might feel that. That the actual eating might be almost the easiest part (only in this peculiar and dreadful extremis) and that then you would have a life time of thinking about the part that person now has in your own body and becoming more and more curious about them - a bit like after a transplant of a vital organ. You must feel incredible curiosity about that person who died so that you might live.
Foodlexi at 10:05AM on 05/28/08
I've hesitated to comment on this topic as I seem to remember it being removed as a topic once before. But with 45 comments and still going strong perhaps the topic will not be deleted.
My thoughts go along with Susquehanna's, followed by Foodlexi's. I don't think anyone can really predict what they would do if faced with this decision. In times of extreme duress sometimes people who daily espouse moral righteousness in their "regular" lives fall apart like a wet kleenexes and sometimes people who do not appear to be stunning examples of ethical prowess can come through with actions above and beyond what one might expect.
It certainly would be transformative, though - to be faced with this decision.
I do think that anyone who had to do this would (depending on their inner resources) laugh in life afterwards though - for like survivors of terrible wars (which we even have going on this very moment in some places in the world) and the acts which occur within them, people tend to forget the worst after a while except for a shadow here or there popping up in memory - or alternately they probably would not survive, really.
There have been peoples in past history whose warriors brought home the bodies of the most important enemy they had killed, to dine upon it in their own villages - as an honorary act. It was thought that if the flesh of the opponent was eaten then their abilities and strength would be taken in by the victor to use in future battles. A very basic thought which extends today into the ways we think of eating meat vs. eating vegetables. Beef is brawn, still, in our minds. A salad is merely rabbit food.
But anyway. I have no idea whether I'd eat a person or not. Probably it would depend on my mood and whether there was brandy available for post-dinner drinks.
Karen Resta at 10:28AM on 05/28/08
>>>> I've hesitated to comment on this topic as I seem to remember it being removed as a topic once before. But with 45 comments and still going strong perhaps the topic will not be deleted.
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Oops, I was not aware of that. But as you said, since this thread is still here, perhaps we have proven to the S.E. gang we are capable of discussing such controversial topics without getting carried away. Or... perhaps they haven't seen it yet. :)
By the way, I asked my brother the question during our family holiday, and he was quick to inform everyone that HE would happily eat ME, even if he wasn't starving or in any dire straits.
Family holidays are such wonderful times.
FastFoodCritic at 12:03PM on 05/28/08
i've always wondered...but ie never narrowed it down to which part i'd want...cooked...depends on what part is on the menu...if we had ribs im in!
licensedtoill26 at 3:10AM on 05/29/08
There is a story I like about William Golding (who seems to be famous for writing Lord of the Flies, whilst actually also having written a range of quite extraordinary books, including Pincher Martin, The Spire, The Inheritors, Rites of Passage etc).
He had a life-long interest in ships and life under sail. As a child he was taken by his father who went as a special guest to visit, I *think*, HMS Victory. They were taken around the empty ship by a Naval officer. This man recognised in William Golding the sense of magic with which the child was enveloped the moment he set foot on board. Reaching up he chipped a tiny bit of wood from a beam with his thumb nail, leaned down and handed it out towards the child. William Golding took it and, knowing that it was one of the most precious things he would ever hold in his hand, sought about for somewhere safe to keep and then popped it into his mouth. By this means the ship, its history, its men, its challenges on the ocean somehow all became absorbed into his own small person.
Foodlexi at 5:07AM on 05/29/08
Goodness knows, FastFoodCritic - that sometimes I do wonder about either boarding school or a nice roast in the oven of one or the other of my children. Either method sure would lower the bickering levels around here. :)
Great story, Foodlexi. Creates quite an image!
Yesterday I came across a review somewhere for a new book released about this topic. Can't find the review at the moment but here's the book itself . I do remember commentary from the review which detailed the flavor in different ways from different uh . . . reviewers(?) heh heh . . . with very different results - which brings up the always-interesting question of how people taste things and whether or not such a thing as a broad-range inclusive "objective" tasting of things exists - or whether how we describe what we taste and whether we think it is "good" or not is pure intellectual construction that rests upon where we come from and what we are taught.
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Another thing that may be part of this topic could be that in theologic discussion of the Catholic rituals of consecration and transubstantiation it is a generally accepted fact that the wafer and wine do actually become a real "corpus". It is not wafer and wine being partaken of in that moment. A modern-day example (once removed and shifted into a different hunger than the physical) of consuming another.
Karen Resta at 6:50AM on 05/29/08
Karen Resta,
This is really interesting - and there is also the issue of knowing what you are eating. Those who eat fugu without knowing what it is report a bland fish with no particular merit. Those who know what they are eating report buzzing of lips, tightening of throat, divine flavour and so on. Overcoming taboos knowingly, or risking death knowingly may change your palate considerably.
And objective measures of taste would be completely impossible to define. Starting with the ingredients, before you even start on the palate.... We carried out a blind tasting of tomatoes in our local garden club. Twenty different tomatoes were tasted by about 15 people. Top for flavour came 'Sioux' grown by Chris. Second was smuggled in vine tomato from a good local supermarket. Somewhere around 17th came another 'Sioux' grown by Mary. What we couldn't work out was what was the most crucial difference - the amount of watering, the exposure to warmth or light, the timing of the harvesting, the amount of feeding. I do realise that you 'could' create a constant, with something baked, but even DOC cheeses and wines differ in many cases. And the 'human' may, like me, be richly marbled, fed itself on wonderful foods, adding to my unusually good flavour; it could be practically pré-salé, or it could be scrawny, wiry, full of tendons like my friend Allan!
But then many Chinese, who like the elbows and feet and tendons of things, would prefer Allan to the rich cossetting of me. All to do with culture and the mind.
MOH ( a good Catholic) would make a *wonderful* banquet!
Foodlexi at 7:30AM on 05/29/08
:)
Among other things, Foodlexi - I'd like to profusely thank you for knowing how to spell "palate" correctly.
Karen Resta at 9:24AM on 05/29/08
Aw. Shucks :)
Foodlexi at 10:46AM on 05/29/08
Yes. I've noticed that 99% of the time palate is spelled on foodboards as pallette (sic).
(If I were going to eat a person I would not want to get wood chunks and splinters from either the artist's tool nor the building supplies thing in my mouth instead of the more usual softer parts of the inner cheek and tongue area.)
foodvox at 11:30AM on 05/29/08
I have probably eaten a couple of pencils in my time, but I don't think they would appear as splinters of wood! I read recently as well that the "average person" (which I think means someone who is eating a lot of processed/pre-prepared foods) eats something more than a pound of insects a year........ But then I always think of shrimps as being a sort of marine insect, and I love them - and have also voluntary eaten crickets and flying ants in Mexico. If we are what we eat, I should be metamorphosing soon - with any luck into a beautiful butterfly. But also, if we are what we eat, I have some nice foie gras on offer.
Foodlexi at 6:33AM on 05/30/08
Yes, there are specified amounts of insects (insect parts) that are allowed by law into all packaged and canned goods produced. Goodness knows how they measure it! I take the philosophic approach that without the insects flying around helping the alternately sexed plants to propogate and bear their delightful goodies that we end up enjoying there would not be too much to eat, so chowing down on their unseen parts doesn't bother me. :)
I'd guess that the insect parts are in the non-processed foods also - it's just that they are not measured or legislated.
Ha, ha! Legislated insects. I like that idea.
I'm not so sure that we are what we eat - though it is a phrase that rings so well that it really should have been an ad campaign ever since it was first said way back even before the Beatles' time.
I think we eat what we are.
Therefore since we don't eat humans we may not be human.
Karen Resta at 8:05AM on 05/30/08
And the 'human' may, like me, be richly marbled, fed itself on wonderful foods, adding to my unusually good flavour; it could be practically pré-salé, or it could be scrawny, wiry, full of tendons like my friend Allan!
But then many Chinese, who like the elbows and feet and tendons of things, would prefer Allan to the rich cossetting of me.
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That has to be one of the most... awesomely and strangely hilarious comments I've read on any forum, anywhere, ever. LOL
It's nice that we can all get together like this, and talk about eating each other.
FastFoodCritic at 10:52PM on 05/30/08
Perhaps with the right sauce, it wouldn't be bad. A little stringy, I'd imagine. My high school biology teacher lived in the Philipines for a while. While there, he was a guest in a villager's home. They served dog and cat. He said the dog was very red and beef-like in texture and flavor. The cat was tough, stringy, and without distinctive flavor.
beth1 at 11:27PM on 05/30/08
Has anyone seen the film "Dumpling" from the Three Extremes trilogy?
marsbar at 12:21PM on 06/04/08
No, no, no, no, no and, well, no. Just... no. NO!
CookiePie at 12:46PM on 06/04/08
OK, so I'm picky about spelling, but...
Though this whole discussion is fascinating, I'm still chuckling at the original post...
"stranded in the dessert"
which would be lots more fun than the desert, IMO. That whole "licking" sidebar might then come into play. =)
akk328 at 1:04PM on 06/04/08
It's dangerous to be stranded in the dessert.
My parents warned me about it, often.
foodvox at 1:10PM on 06/04/08
I used to know a vegan who was looking for a pregnant friend to give him her placenta to eat. My mind immediately went to "Placenta Helper." I don't know if that ever really panned out for him.
Stufsocker at 2:17PM on 06/04/08