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What is more of a 'deal breaker'--food or books?

Recently, I read an article in the New York Times about how liking/ not liking certain books can be 'deal breakers' in relationships. Immediately, I groaned and remembered how some friends' zealous insistance that I read The Celestine Prophesy/The Da Vinci Code/The Artist's Way or some other self-help book that changed their life became an obstacle in our relationship. Also, with other people whose lives revolve around Star Trek/The X Files/fantasy series, if you're not part of that 'world' it can be kind of hard to relate to 99% of their life...
But then again, there was another article also in the Times about relationship deal-breakers and food, and I recall another (Platonic) friend who only ate 1. A plain salt bagel for breakfast 2. copious amounts of Diet Coke throughout the day 3. 2 plain hamburgers and large fries from McDonalds with occasional strawberry shakes and Sweet tarts for desserts. I remember having an argument with her in Manhatten because she didn't understand why I wanted to stop at an independent coffee shop when there was 'a Duane Reed with perfectly good Diet Cokes' on sale nearby, and forget going to any other place but McDo's....

I would say books, in friendships or relationships are more of the 'deal breaker' for me, but sometimes food rigidity can be pretty damn frustrating too...so what is the bigger deal breaker for you regarding taste? Food or books? Or something else, whether it be certain movies/sports teams/whatever versus food?

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Well if they read shlock then I can't really deal. If they eat shlock it's maybe okay as long as they eat real food more than trash.

Interesting question (again!) HeartofGlass. :)

It seems to me that many if not most of the people I get close to and remain close to are very different from me in most things - books, food, what they are interested in, etc.

That, to me, makes life interesting. Goodness knows it would not be all that interesting to me to be friends with someone exactly like me - where's the opportunity to be surprised there?

So if they want to eat fritos topped with tamarasalata while reading The Enquirer I might be astonished (to use a gentle word) but they could still be my friend.

The only deal-breaker for me in friendships is lack of honesty. Period.
And of course with that one doesn't know till one finds out.

Bwah hahahahaha!
(sigh)

Both should have been a deal-breaker for me for years. An earlier marriage had most of my books in boxes in the basement, and the majority were destroyed by water damage. Food was another matter, as it was rarely good enough ... I was convinced I didn't know anything about cooking. In a better marriage now, the books are in bookcases where they belong, where I can get to them. I now cook almost every meal, with others besides my wife also telling me how good the food is. Talk about a refreshing change! Maybe I do know a bit about cooking after all.

Eh. I still have to argue that it's more than (just) food and books, LunaPierCook. The deal-breaker there (as you say) should have been that she was mean.

Books? Nah...not at all.

As for food, not a deal-breaker for friends, but can be in a relationship for sure. I cook all the time, and while I am not over the top fancy or anything at home, I do use spices and veggies (gasp!) and some folks don't go in for those.
My DH now was fairly picky when we met, but has learned to like almost everything, so we can enjoy food experiences together. If you saw his dad however, it is a different matter. He literally eats plain unseasoned (or fried) meats, raw carrots and iceberg lettuce, plain potatoes with fake butter and all the junk food (as long as it does not involve 'strange stuff' like fruit or oats) that he can shove in.
His poor wife loves to cook, and not only has spent almost 40 years not being able to share anything she makes with him, but watching him slowly kill himself with food. He is not even willing to try other things, not one bite. THAT kind of food difference would be a deal breaker for me, not only because we would miss sharing in delicious experiences, even if they weren't super fancy, but that when food is compromising your health, it is not about taste and enjoyment and life.

Other than that, differences can be fun, and each can learn new things from the other they may never have experienced before or in a new way. If we were all the same life would get way too boring! :D

@LunaPierCook; You are very fortunate to have figured that out and moved on! I would be crushed if someone I cared about dissed my efforts in the kitchen. I am by no means a great cook, but my husband compliments every meal I make for him.

My boyfriend and I don't read the same books, but he doesn't have what I would consider to be questionable taste, he just approaches his interests in a different way. We still talk about the books we read, and about our ideas and perceptions of the world. It's similar with food. He loves meat, and grew up eating things like whale and organ meats, and I grew up vegetarian and when we met I was a strict vegan (now I eat fish, but not dairy). But neither of us is judgmental, we both love to cook, and we've managed to develop a way of eating at home that works for both of us.

So I guess for me the deal breaker in a relationship would be if someone wasn't curious and wasn't willing to be collaborative and to compromise.

As for my friends, they have my permission to eat and read whatever they like. :-)

Food can definitely come between friends - if you expect to ever share a meal with them. I had a friend like yours - a Mickey Dee Queen. She used to put salt on hot dogs! We didn't have much in common where food was concerned but our relationship didn't really hinge on sharing meals together.

I remember one weekend she was under the weather and told me she made herself "chicken soup." Her idea of chix soup was: A can of College Inn Chix Broth and boiled pasta shells.

If you're trying to start a romance with someone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you on food, that's definitely stickier. How can you shop for groceries considering two completely different perspectives on food? It's not like a vegetarian can't live with a carnie because the veggie can opt out of the meat or fish. The carnie can definitely augment meat eating with food the veggie will eat. But when you get someone who thinks KFC is dinner and you're at the poultry case at Whole Foods with 17 ways to cook their beautiful, pristine chicken bouncing around your head and the other person is at the freezer case at A&P yanking out a box of Banquet frozen chix... Houston, we've got a problem.

The "book" difference question doesn't really apply to me. Lucky for me, I'm not a big reader...ROFLMAO.

I love this question! I also read that article, but I would have to say food. My ex was an English major, like I was, so a lot of our relationship revolved around lively literary debates, which was great. However, I couldn't STAND the way he ate. In my family, which is Sicilian, men are expected to eat copiously and with great appreciation. My ex CUT UP his pasta, and could never finish it. He didn't like rich, hearty meals, and in a lot of ways was a food snob. We visited my family in Sicily and he didn't finish the meal they served, which is SLIGHTLY disrespectful. When I made meatballs for him the first time, he only ate one.

My CURRENT boyfriend, however, is a fantastic eater. He loves all food, he cleans his plate like a vacuum, he thanks me EVERY night for dinner, and I've never seen him use a knife and fork for pizza. The first time we met was at a party where I served my meatballs, and he told me they were better than his mother's. He later told my friend he fell in love with me right there. He is also an engineer, which means that while he can babble for hours about quantum physics, he doesn't know Blake from Bukowski. And you know what? I don't care! As long as he never tells me he's a Dan Brown fan, I'm perfectly satisfied.

Neither are dealbreakers for me. All I care about in a friend is, as Karen posted, honesty...as well as punctuality and some sort of similar interest (food, computers, World of Warcraft, and/or industrial/goth music). I have friends into country music, but we can talk about computers. However, if they are not honest, punctual, and we don't have similar interests, they won't be someone I would associate with after the first time out. Of course, I don't care for the usual stuff like smelly or dirty people, people who talk loudly, etc...

It's weird how culture and food are so different when I read embolini9's post! I often leave food on my plate -- my mother raised me to eat until I am sated, not when I was stuffed or just to clean off the plate. My father always finishes everything, practically licked clean. My mother's philosophy of a phenomenal restaurant (the ones she would regularly patronize) was being served portions where you didn't have any leftovers. A large man would get more food, while a small woman would be served less.

A friend and I talked about the topic of leftover food on our plates. She said that she was raised where finishing everything off your plate reflected poorly on the host, since it signaled that they didn't serve you enough food. That surprised me.

Oops - derailment... back to dealbreakers!

I loved the NYT article about books. I've gone out with many anti-book guys, even one who said he quit reading books in the third grade. Hmm. Anyway, my boyfriend now isn't much of a reader (but very intelligent) but he loves food. I think that's what sealed the deal for me. Our first few dates were at new restaurants we both wanted to try.

I'm more attracted (romantically and friend-ily) to people who are more adventurous with food. Picky eaters are nice people, and I'm sure read good books, but I turn into a food evangelist and scare people off (come on, my name is LiveToEat!). If someone doesn't like reading, odds are that they have some other sort of hobby that's equally interesting and challenging. I love books, the bf loves computers and the internet. Life would be boring if he was as bookish as I am.

@Karen, "... was mean" is past-tense, meaning she's somehow reformed now. "... is mean" is more appropriate. ;-)

@izatryt, "crushed" is the word for it. To hear my own kids and my parents say later that, "you've been a good cook all along", means a hell of a lot.

I have close to 200 cookbooks now, with Mary and I buying them for each other. (Buying one for her means she picks the recipes for me to make.) Both food and books are a huge part of our relationship, which is a wonderful change.

BTW, my ex once gave my wife a book: "Water with Lemon: Diet-Free, Guilt-Free Weight Loss." Mary is considering countering it with a gift copy of "Managing Your Moods."

Books.

Books are more than an indication of personal taste or heritage, as food can be. I went to grad school with people who ate spaghetti-o's out of the can, and most of them would oustanding people with interesting minds and great politics. Most are still in my life today.

Conversely, I've known gourmands, with pallettes from the gods, who were the most insufferable and arrogant individuals I've ever known. We shared a love of food and nothing else. They stayed in my life for a very short time.

Food for the stomach can keep people alive, but books are food for the mind, and dare I say, the soul. And, I find people with well-fed minds/souls far more interesting and likeable.

All that having been said, though, books are not the ultimate deal-breaker for me. Politics are. I don't care what you eat or what you read if your politics suck, and THAT's the truth of it.


As a former English major and self-professed foodie - I have to say my deal breaker is food. I once broke up with a guy because he didn't drink hot beverages. You can go a whole marriage without ever discussing James Joyce's Ulysses, but you can't go a whole marrieage with a man who puts ketchup on his eggs and thinks twinkies are pastries.

Neither has ever been a deal breaker for me, but food has come close. My hours-long bolognese received barely a nod. He didn't like chocolate AT ALL. He thought he was a great cook, but was soooo wrong. He ate the same thing every single day. Grilled cheese and tomato soup received the same response as a meal that took all day to shop and cook for. He wouldn't eat anything with onions or garlic.

BTW, this was not just one guy. It is a composite of various food issues I've encountered. My guy should read whatever crap literature he likes, but not liking chocolate AT ALL might be a deal breaker.

P.S. the current guy is a cook at a decent restaurant and just finished "Restaurant Confidential" for the third time. *swoon*

I'm lucky that it's not an issue at all, but I imagine that if my husband were a fussy/picky eater, it could be difficult. Because I love cooking, and I love trying new foods and dishes, so it could be stressful or at least a bit disappointing to not have an avenue for that. I would still have to cook (it's therapeutic for me) but I'd struggle with limitations. Maybe I'd have to find another hobby.

For books, I'm less conscious of it, but it's true that I've never been friends with "Marley and Me" readers. In my opinion, the simple fact that someone reads says a lot already. What bugs me most are pretentious people.

To be honest, one category of books whose avid readers I might avoid is religion. I've met too many fake Buddhists and lite-Christians to not feel skeptical.

I think I'd have a harder time with someone who didn't read...
Most of my friends read, a lot of them read fantasy/sci fi. Some have professed to reading Star Wars novels. I have a lot of geeky friends, it comes with the territory, and I take it as one of their unique quirks.
I mean...we don't JUST talk about those kind of things.
They're all open minded, thoughtful, well-educated people who can hold good conversation. Outside of that, I don't really care what they read.

Foomwise, my friends run the gamut from those who will not eat bone-in chicken to those who are enthused about trying the new ethnic restaurant in town.
It doesn't bother me, if anything, its fun for me to try and turn them onto new and interesting foods. I have confidence I'll always be able to find something on the menu for even the pickier eaters. (We've got a former meat and potatoes guy, will only eat fried rice or chicken parmigiana when we go out eating Korean tofu stew).

However, relationship wise, I'd only have a problem if their literary or culinary hang ups reflected on their personalities.
If this person were just proud to be pig headed and close minded, I'm not sure if I could deal.
But if its just a personal quirk, then I doubt it would reflect on how we would get along. Though maybe I'd be a little sad if they couldn't appreciate a great bowl of pho with me. (They will learn, oh yes...with me, they will learn).

@cassaendra - That's interesting! I don't know why it is, but I find men with hearty appetites really attractive. My old roommate, who's Russian, once told me that in Russia there's an old test for manual labor jobs - a prospective employer will give you a big plate of food and you have to finish it. This somehow proves you're a strong worker. I guess I can see that - in peasant countries, like Sicily, jobs are traditionally manual labor, and if you eat a lot it shows that you're healthy, and therefore a good worker. Also I think Sicilians have such big meals because they're traditionally poor farmers - you ate what you could when you could, and therefore appreciated it more.

I think that might have something to do with the "clean plate" philosophy that has only recently stopped plaguing American families. How many of us remember being rewarded for cleaning our plates when we were young, and scolded for leaving food? ("starving children in Africa," etc.) I personally think it's part of the reason America has such a problem with obesity, because we're programmed to feel guilty when we waste food, and portion sizes are out of control, but that's a WHOLE other tangent.

I started dating my current bf not too long before my close-friend circle turned foodie. As the bf is older than I am and has been a foodie for a while, I would just kick back and let him order for the both of us half the time since his taste pretty much lines up with my own (aside from wasabi peas - ugh!). He's more of a sci-fi/anime/fantasy nerd, but he seems to be well past the phase where that is an important/daily part of life.

I love to cook (duh) and am into eating healthier these days, and if he were fighting me on that daily it would probably be a deal breaker. Books on the other hand aren't as big of a deal for me because if he's reading something I can't stand - I just won't read it myself. TV and movies have more of a day to day impact I think than books because I'm subjected to them by being in the room.

Since neither of us are big readers (shamed to say), I think hobbies (being outdoorsy vs not) would be more of a deal breaker than both food and books. He's VERY good at outdoorsy things (like climbing) and I am not that strong, but we both enjoy a lifestyle centered on being outside, so it works nicely. I've noticed that relationships where lifestyle preferences are significantly different between two people are rougher than when they simply have different literature tastes.

LOVE the topic. I'd have to say if a person is humble about food/books it's all good. Meaning-if you aren't a snob either way, we're going to get along. My problem starts when you think you are better than me because you (think) may have a better palette or have read more than I have. One thing I hate is when I speak with people and they think just because I am picky (I really don't like a lot of things due to texture, taste, etc) I know nothing about food and they proceed to tell me how I need to "allow my tastes to mature." (BTW, I'm 30) And then let me know what I am "missing out" on. First of all-I don't like it, so I'm not missing it. Secondly, I try everything and come up with my own opinion-so I know about food.

Ohh, went off on a tangent didn't I? Sorry about that. Bottom line, if I trust you and you're easy going-we'll be all good.

I will say this-table manners are a deal breaker. I broke up with a guy once because I could not handle the way he ate dinner. It was awful. He would place his left hand (he ate with right hand) on his hip-so his elbow would stick out like he was acting out "I'm a Little Teapot" all throughout dinner. I wish I was kidding. But, I am not. Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Seinfeld broke up with someone because of the way she ate peas. LOVE that episode.

So, maybe food is a deal breaker...

Neither is a deal breaker for me.

Intolerance, snobbery, bigotry, narrowmindedness, lack of compassion, rigidity...all deal breakers.

Neither are deal breakers for me. I love sashimi. My sister in law would tell me over and over again how gross it was OMG how can you eaaaatttt THAT! I would smile and pick up another piece and pop that sucker in my mouth. She eventually got over it and now tells me sushi bars she wants to take me to.

As far as books go - I read so much its crazy, but when someone tries to push a book on me that I don't feel the need to read... I just say ya know that book so goes against what I believe in and I am really not interested. I've sent books to people with note on them that say read it if you like - I did and loved it - if not please donate it to a library.

I don't care if all you read is US magazine and eat goldfish crackers... just don't be rude and obtuse and we can get along just fine.

I'm with Butrflygirly on table manners. I have a friend who eats like a feral dog. Ripping into food, taking gigantic bites and chewing while breathing through his mouth, hovering over the food all bent down so his face is inches from the plate, shovering, shoveling, shoveling. Holding his fork like he's about to stab himself in the heart with it... It's not like I'm running etiquette seminars or anything, but it's pretty embarrassing. So for me, that's a way bigger issue than taste in books or food.

I'll admit to being a serious book snob as well as a food snob. But I certianly wouldn't ask the same out of a partner. But what I do demand out of a parnter is intelligence, curiousity and open-mindedness. So I think it might be a deal breaker if someone wouldn't eat (without even trying or curious to try) or wouldn't to read anything aside from Michael Crichton, just cause. Hey, I love McDonalds and read the DaVinci Code. But I admit, non-eater/non-readers are a turn-off, I just wouldn't go as far as to judge them until I got to know them butter, I mean better.

Well, my first husband grew up eating nothing but peanut butter sandwiches and carefully picked out every single mushroom from the first dish I cooked for him; he found it highly amusing to refer to anchovies as "smelly little fish". And yet he made a seriously mean breakfast burrito and when dragged out to an Indian restaurant said it was "really living". Food was not our deal breaker but with hindsight it could have saved me a lot of time and heartache; happily I'm delighted with husband #2 who eats - and enjoys! - pretty much everything. Except for coconut, that is, and in a weird act of unity I've actually come to dislike it too - Thai curry and the odd Bounty bar excepted...

Definitely books.
You can encourage a mate to eat better over time.
Most people don't take kindly to attempts at "elevating" their reading material.

Help! Help!

He would place his left hand (he ate with right hand) on his hip-so his elbow would stick out like he was acting out "I'm a Little Teapot" all throughout dinner. I wish I was kidding.

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I have a friend who eats like a feral dog. Ripping into food, taking gigantic bites and chewing while breathing through his mouth, hovering over the food all bent down so his face is inches from the plate, shovering, shoveling, shoveling. Holding his fork like he's about to stab himself in the heart with it...

I can't breathe I'm laughing so hard! Help!

(I'd say sorry for laughing but . . . well, but no, I won't!)

@Karen Resta: I can laugh about it now, but then embarassment and astonishment was all I felt. Location had no bearing either. Picture going out to dinner with a Caveman to a nice restaurant (we went to dinner where it was jacket and tie mandatory) and you look across the table. First dinner date, great food, great drinks, and then BAM. That's across from you. I remember asking him if his arm was hurting. His response, "No, why?" I had no words. Ugh...

@BangieB: Are we talking about the same guy!!?? Serious. I still wonder how a person can hold a utensil that way-and the stabbing. Never seen anything like it.

Gosh, I might have to say in that case food might be a deal-breaker if that happened to me because I'd be LMAO thinking of I'm a Little Teapot the entire time.

I really don't know why it's so funny but it is. I keep breaking out laughing here and my daughter keeps saying "It's not that funny, Mom!

OK carry on. Pretty please. :) The responses to this question are wonderful and all most interesting.

I think they deal breaker for me would be if that certain someone DIDN'T eat or DIDN'T read. I'm a voracious reader, but I don't expect everyone to have my tastes. However, I do immediately suspect someone of ignorance/stupidity/mind-numbing boorishness if they don't ever read, or worse yet, think I'm stupid for having my nose in a book.
As far as eating goes, I'll admit it's difficult to deal with someone with crazily stunted appetites or limited diet, and I know from experience that it's also tough to be in a relationship with someone who is really blase about food (luckily my friends are foodies, so that helps). However, the one deal breaker for me was in college when I dated a wrestler. I mean a real one, not that WWE crapola. He had such a bad, BAD relationship with food, as the scale always determined which weight class he would compete in. He was always either starving himself or gorging on horrible food. If I ate when he was in a "starvation" phase, he made disparaging comments all the while about whatever I was eating. If I was in the mood for a salad while he was binging on 6 deep-fried twinkies, I was accused of "not being a team player". I couldn't hack it.
Yup, gotta read, gotta eat (among other things, like don't bump uglies with other girls and such).

In terms of regular friends - neither would be a dealbreaker.

However, for relationships... My friends always ask me- would you be able to date/marry someone whose not vegetarian??? I always answer YES - if he's respectful enough of my diet desicions and my kitchen. The only deal breaker regarding food is that I can't have meat products prepared or cooked in my kitchen. Nothing in my kitchen or kitchen utensils have ever been near a piece of meat and I would like to keep it that way... I believe there are plenty of opportunities to eat meat outside the home that my SO can satisfy any craving/need he might have.

my current boyfriend grew up in household where a "cooked dinner" meant anything that could be put in the microwave and ketchup poured on it. he lives on junk food and frozen dinners. many things he had never had until he began coming to my house to eat. he is WILLING to try new things - and that makes all the difference. someone who was just picky and stuffy would be a deal-breaker

Picky/Finicky/Boring eaters are such a turn-off!

Books are more of a dealbreaker for me. Anyone who likes Ayn Rand is out. Anyone who likes Nabokov is in.

I don't think food is quite as important as the person's attitude towards life, especially since the kind of food someone eats changes over time more than the mindset defined by the books they like. And it's a lot easier to sneak kale into someone's dish than Dickens into their hearts.

@ Butrflygirly: The stabbing. Oh God, the stabbing...

I am a pescetarian married to an omnivore, but we have had few problems since we do both love food. And we are both readers. While I don't worry too much about WHAT he reads, the fact that he DOES read was important. The previous boyfriend didn't read newspapers and was never in the middle of a book. 'Twas a deal-breaker, for sure.

I have had people refuse to date me for both reasons. One guy who thought of himself as a "writer" dumped me after 3 dates when he found out I read trashy romance novels. Another person ( who I wasn't even interested in) told me in straight up "I can not have a pork eater in my house" He was muslim though...so that was understandable. On the flip side though I don't think I could give up pork for a guy.

I agree wholeheartedly with Karen Resta, while I love both food and books, I am of the opinion that the heart and soul of a person determines their worth.

@Luna; LOL!!!! Report back after the gift has been delivered!

Neither is a deal-breaker unless the person is fanatic about it, or tries to convert me to their ways. Same goes for just about anything -- religion, politics, milk-or-sugar -- whatever. I'm perfectly happy to have a reasoned discussion about whatever it might be, and I'm just as willing to let the topic lie undisturbed, but I'm not fond of people who insist that I should change who I am to suit them.

I'm actually more interested in people who are unlike me than those who could be my clones. I like learning about other people's cultures (including foods) and beliefs. I might not agree with them or embrace them in my own life, but I find it interesting on an intellectual level.

Things that are deal breakers are unkindness and ill manners of all sorts. Some ill manners I might excuse in a friend or relative that I wouldn't accept in a mate, however. Luckily, that choice is already made.

Books are not a deal-breaker, although it can be difficult at times if the taste differences are vast in a romantic relationship. Food? Definitely. I once dated a guy that I really liked and then he told me he hated garlic, couldn't stand the smell or taste. I knew it would never last....And I could never be in a relationship with a vegetarian/vegan/picky eater. I just love food, all types, too much and enjoy being able to cook and eat with that special someone.

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