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Why do people think Whole Foods is so expensive?

I don't understand why people are always complaining about Whole Foods?
I have a whole list of things that are cheaper there then at other Stores.
Feta Cheese( same price as others and 100 times better)
All the whole food brand products
sour cream, buttermilk
they have a daily meat and poultry special: many times the beef is really cheap , chicken is on sale a lot.
What do you get at Whole Foods and can any store compare? Please don't say Trader Joes because the quality does not even compare to Whole Foods in my opinion.


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Could think of a few reasons...

a) Better quality products.

b) Supply and demand (there are people willing to pay more to have that assemblance of quality all in one place).

c) Organic stuff generally costs more.

d) Do their people get paid more than average supermarket workers? This may be one reason - but let's face it, the employees create such a wonderful array of foods and such a pleasant shopping experience.

I know I probably take more pleasure than most in a trip to WF or a high end market. At least for me, it's a 3/4 hour trip to civilization.

I love the cheese selection, olive bar, bread, bulk aisle (yay!) and the pristine meats. The sausage flavors are incredible. Not to mention the beautiful produce. I love the fact that a produce worker stopped me one day and asked me what I did with a particular item, then listened raptly as I explained it.

Try getting that at Super Wal-Mart! :D

I personally do not like Whole Foods. I often go there and not find what I need. I prefer Wegman's, Fresh Market and Trader Joe's. No one has better quality and selection than Wegman's, no one! I have grovery shopped near and far. Wegman's has better and cheaper boneless chicken breasts. The size of them are huge. The quality of their cheese and he selection they keep is outstanding. Meat in kosher, organic and aged. Produce section is famous. Then after you go to Wegman's walk into a Whole Foods. Little bit dissapointing? Yes!
Fresh Market carries a lot of the same items as Wegman's they are a close second to quality and again better than Whole Foods in selection and quality. Trader Joes has not as much selection but they have a nice assortment of things that you can run through and buy and we are hooked on the coffee. I buy nuts and dried fruits there which are much cheaper than Wegman's or Fresh Market. Whole Foods was not real impressive with the nuts and fruits prices.
When it comes right down to it a lot depends on what it is you are buying and where your Whole Foods is. I often buy store made sausages at Whole Foods and Fresh Market. Fresh Market again is the better in quality and price. I would buy them from Whole Foods if I was in Philly and needed to get them right away but if I was near a Fresh Market or Wegman's I would buy them there first.
I never gorcery shop in one place and I may not be shopping for the same things you do.

People think it's more expensive because WF doesn't offer the low-quality items available at most grocery stores. You can't buy the old meat and pale chicken. I agree that if you compare the prices of good quality, organic items from a grocery store to Whole Foods, it's totally comparable. And the quality is way better, the employees are really helpful, the atmosphere is so great, etc. The butchers at WF always go out of their way to make/find something I need. They'll ground the pork fresh for me!

Another reason people think it's expensive is the availability of gourmet items. As a food lover on a budget, it's really hard for me to go near the cheese or artisan salts, sugars and chocolates. I want them all, but can't really afford them. (But they're totally worth the splurge!)

My 2 cents.

I wish we had Wegman's and TJ's ... sniff... We do have Fresh Market though and several ethnic markets which tend to save the day...

There's a few reasons.

As a general rule, organic food is priced higher than its conventional cousin. A consumer might be used to buying black beans at the local big box store for $.55, when a similarly sized can at WF can run $1.32.

Two, WF has foods catering more towards the foodie market - artisan cheeses, imported olives, good meat, etc. I challenge you to find a raw cow's milk cheese or good kalamatas in Wal-Mart. These items cost more to procure and in turn, cost more to the consumer.

Three, WF employees are better paid, have better benefits, and are generally better educated than their counterparts at conventional grocery stores.

All that said - WF does charge a higher price for conventional items that can be purchased at a regular grocery store. Why? Their target market can afford it. WF's average customer makes significantly more money than the average customer at a conventional store. They can afford to spend more money on food; WF knows this and charges accordingly.

Personally, though I'm WF's average customer in one sense (concerned with quality, purchases mostly organic food, etc), I just don't have the budget to make an entire grocery run there. I tend to spend most of the food budget at the farmer's market (I'm lucky to be near a market with vendors that sell 80% of what I would need in a week, for less than even conventional stores), and the remaining 20% spent between a local co-op and conventional stores. I'll occasionally enter WF for the bulk products (cheaper than conventional) and the items that the co-op just doesn't have (cereal that doesn't require mortgaging my first-born), but I mostly avoid it. It's called Whole Paycheck for a reason!

In all honesty I'm willing to pay a higher price for the convenience rather than waiting 45 minutes in line at the Union Square TJ's. The only time I've made it through the line quickly was after waiting there for the doors to open at 9am. I just abhor the layout of that store. I rather spend my money at the green market and then make the extra trek to the Bowery WF to avoid the throngs of people.

I have to travel 2 or 3 hours round trip to get to Whole Foods, so for me the cost of gas is also figured into the prices. I agree with all the others who talk about the quality, but also that they charge more for staples.

Unfortunately in my hometown our grocery, who my mom works in the main offices for, charges about as much as Whole Foods and I often travel 45 min. to shop cheaper these days, because their quality isn't near WF. I do get to Whole Foods about once a month because I highly believe in their quality and as others said, they have stuff you just can't get anywhere and I always feel at such peace there with how organized everything is, and spacious, and fresh.

I wouldn't compare TJ's to WF; that would be like comparing tap dancing to ballet. I find TJ's a lot of fun, and they are great at what they do best, neither of which is produce or meat. I shop carefully at WF, as I do find their prices a bit on the high side (low price on their shrimp, which is dreadful anyway), but the quality is generally high and the sales are real sales, not just a few cents knocked off. Although, at Union Square there was a sign recently that read: "Champagne Mangoes--2 for $1.50. 50% Off! Regularly 75 cents apiece."

I go to the Union Square Whole Foods every single day. I'm lucky enough to live just a few short blocks away from Union Square. About half of what they carry at WF is significantly cheaper than any other store in the area (except Trader Joe's, in a few cases), and significantly better. The staff is palpably happy (also true of Trader Joe's) and well-informed, and you can taste practically anything you want. Yes, their cheeses are quite expensive, but I also live near the East Village Cheese Shop, which has the cheapest cheese on the planet (not always the best, but sometimes very good indeed). The meat and fish at WF are wonderful, though pricey--you do get what you pay for. If people think the store as a whole is too expensive, fine, all the more for me and mine.

i think whole foods prices are comparable to the local markets in nyc with much better quality. if i'm going to pay $4 for a pepper i might as well buy a nice bright crispy one from wf compared to a small wrinkly one from gristedes. you need to know what to buy and what not to buy but recently i've been finding you might as well buy everything. the problem is sometimes they are out of stock on things.

I miss the East Village Cheese Shop! I moved down to Miami from NYC a year ago and have yet to find a good cheese shop. So, Whole Foods it is for me!

Sorry, but to compare apples to apples, WF is by and large more expensive. Organic produce there is more expensive than organic produce at other markets in my area, and and the conventional produce they sell is ridiculously more expensive than others in my area, including the upscale market.

I've seen mussels there for 9.99/lb, which is over twice the price at their competitions (Central Market) and 3times a regular grocery. And it's the same bag.

Their charcuterie section is also a) too small and b) pricier than the better-stocked Central Market.

It's great that they treat their employees so well, but as long as I don't have job security, health insurance, or any other nicety of working for a large/responsible organization, I can't afford to shop there. However, I will buy there if it's actually the only place in town that carries what I need. But it's not that hard to run up a $100/bag bill there.

However, I remember shopping for groceries in Manhattan. If WF prices are the same there as they are outside Manhattan, than I have no doubt why you'd take WF.

It's pretty impossible to say WF isn't expensive - when you get 2 bags of basic groceries there for almost $70, you can't question it. I only go there for specific things, unless I'm in a rush. Ever since I paid $8 for three (puny and sour) grapfruits, I just can't justify doing my basic shops there. I go there for the unique selection and am well aware that I'm paying more than I would elsewhere.

I do think they're overpriced, and their produce quality hardly rivals most farmer's markets. The thing is they CAN be pricier; I never see people shopping there look at the prices - if you shop at WF you know what you're getting yourself into. Great cheese, meat, unusual greens, etc., sure. But I'd go broke without real reason if I did all my shopping there, absolutely.

i just wish I had a Whole Foods nearby!!!!!! you lucky people...

Whole Foods is opening about 15 minutes from my house and I can not wait! The local major grocery chain has a dismal selection of cheeses, produce quality is iffy and over priced, certain ingredients are just plain absent, but it does run incredible specials on meat all the time. The TJ's here is pretty small and I find I have to supplement that shopping trip with another at the local chain.

Whole Foods is okay, but overpriced in the Houston market. I can't really speak to any other cities. We're lucky to have a lot of options when it comes to grocery stores -- such as Central Market, H-E-B, Randall's (...now owned by Safeway, so of course it sucks, but used to be really nice), Kroger's, Food Town, plus lots of local markets and butchers. I wouldn't go to Whole Foods unless I had to; there's just better elsewhere, and for less money.

This is just in my case - The nearest WF is 40 miles away, so it is not feasible to shop there. I would rather spend my money on food than the gas to get the food.

I make 32k a year. Jake makes 26k a year. We have 2 lease payments, mortgage, utilities, an extremely expensive Niece and dog. If I can buy a container of Enthenos feta cheese crumbles at Giant Eagle for 2.49 vs. 5.49 at Whole Foods, Im going to do it. I bought 10 florida navel oranges for a BUCK about 30 minutes ago. Not a chance on the face of the planet at Whole Foods.

It is what it is.

I couldn't agree more! I also have a long list of items that are much cheaper at Whole Foods than at other grocery stores. Especially the vegan and vegetarian items. And sure, they have many pricier items than what you'll find at a Kroger, but that doesn't mean that everything is more expensive.

I have to wonder how much prices at Whole Foods vs. other supermarkets depends on the area. It seems obvious from reading the above comment that some people experience sticker shock when shopping at Whole Foods. But apparently I'm also not alone when I spend about the same amount on my weekly groceries whether I buy them at Kroger, Publix, or Whole Foods. I can't think of another probable reason for the differences except geographical location.

Whole Foods is relatively cheap... for Manhattan. For the rest of the country, it's considered expensive.
While visiting my brother, I was in line at a Gristedes (in Murray Hill), and a little old lady was complaining to the cashier how the cereal she is buying is more expensive there then at Whole Foods...the only reason she wasn't going all the way to WF was because she wanted to get home in time to watch Oprah.
My brother live off process food & takeaways, so I cook for him when I visit. It's always a challenge to find good quality ingredients at "regular" supermarkets in Manhattan..all the produce & meat just look revolting.

If I live in Manahttan, WF & TJ would probably be my primary supermarkets, but I would l go to specalty shops, chinatown, the green market for decent cheese meat & produce etc.

Here in California (I live in San Jose), I can get fresh, artisan cheese, charcuterie, organic produce & meats at the farmers market (Mountain View) for a fraction of what I would pay at WF. The rest of my shopping at TJ or my local chinese supermarket.

I think it's mostly because more and more people are becoming concerned with organics and sustainable eating - WF's main target audience is no longer just more weighted towards those who are privileged/those who can afford to buy most or all of their groceries there. People aren't used to the aesthetic, so when they make the transition from a normal supermarket, it's a bit of a sticker shock.

They have good/comparable prices on a couple of their items (storebrand flour, bread)Then again, they also charge higher for conventional items there as well (even if they're not organic) :\ Which is why my feelings toward the place are mixed. Their bulk bins are more expensive than buying the food packaged, which kind of scared me.

Personally, since my family is small, I'm more a of TJ's girl. You can say what you want about quality, but I don't find TJ's lacking; I don't see why everyone thinks that it is. I found hazelnuts for 3.49 a pound there, versus (normal, NOT organic) hazelnuts at WF's for 9.99.

The lifestyle aesthetic entrances me, but I really can't afford it, and I don't think a lot of people can either.

I have 6 grocery stores within a mile of my house (plus a butcher, two cheese chops, and two bakers). While not the most expensive - its not the cheapest either and I can get the same quality at east three other places. So the only time I go is when I'm biking home and it just happens to be the grocery store I pass. Other than that - prices are 1/3 to 1/2 cheaper at grocery stores that my brothers family go to because they have a mortgage, loans, three kids, etc...

Also the salad bar is awful. It has to be said.

I don't have a whole foods near me in NH, but I do have a place called Amarket. Their prices are comparable to our local Hannafords market which is carrying more and more organic and "all natural" products. I go to Amarket for odd things which nobody else has and Hannafords for the produce and other stuff and a local farm for beef and poultry. When summer comes I'll be going to some farmer's matkets for the poultry. Now if I can only find a source for or a strategy to grow spices and herbs I'll be all set!

I walked in Whole Foods once to see what it was like, and the prices were so high on everything. I noticed that the store carried some of the same goods as TJ's for a higher price. As journalists make about as much as beggars in San Francisco, and living in the Bay Area is expensive anyway, it's hard to go grocery shopping as it is with food prices increasing every couple of weeks. So as much as I'd love to buy organic and good-quality foods, I'm kind of stuck. I just pick what I buy very carefully. Just because people don't make enough money to shop at Whole Foods doesn't mean they can't have fairly healthy diets.

I think it is because Whole Foods offers a wide range of products, some of which are expensive. But you don't have to choose the most expensive option within each product category. I am very much a Whole Foods girl. Love the place. In terms of price/quality, I find that Whole Foods offers the best value proposition on the market by far. I find my shopping bill to be very reasonable -- just be smart about what you purchase. The 365 brand is great. As for Trader Joes, it is an ok store but it seems to be more for college kids. The quality at Trader Joes doesn't compare to Whole Foods, especially produce. Variety/breadth of selection at Trader Joes is also lacking. With that said, I think TJs does serve its target customer base well...just not for me.

@wookie: Be careful of those new Whole Foods! They just built a new one by my mom's house in Arizona, and we went there when I visited. I swear to you, I wanted to go buy a tent and set up camp by the sushi bar. Some delights it contained? A chocolate fountain, a panini bar, a "smokehouse" (when I was walking towards it, all I could smell was delicious bacon), an actual BAR that you could sit at and enjoy a beer... I thought my local WF was huge until I saw this one.....

Ha, Trader Joe's for college kids? The one near us is teeming with retired folks. There's a street nearby that's full of high-rise condos populated mostly, but not entirely, by empty-nesters, and they have flocked to TJ's en masse. These are folks who can afford to live in upper-middle-class housing, so I imagine most of them are not living solely on Social Security. They are wild about the place. And our TJ's is what the store calls an "East Coast model", which means it's smaller and with a less-extensive inventory.

I basically spend my grocery money between Whole Foods, Trader Joes, and the greenmarket. I work in theatre, which is definitely not a profession known for making money, and so I have to shop around to make my grocery dollars stretch throughout the week. Then again, I'm in Manhattan, and it seems like WF is cheaper here? I walked out of WF yesterday with two stuffed grocery bags for $30. That's about what I would do at TJs.

i think the whole foods in nyc are relative to the other markets we have. i guess in other places they are more expensive. all i know is that fage yogurt is 2.99 at the gristedes on my corner. it is 1.99 at whole foods. i guess you just need to know what is worth buying and what isn't.

as for tj's if it wasn't so cramped i would shop their. i love the on on long island but i rarely go. i did a price check the other day, a bag of shredded carrots was a dollar cheaper then at gristedes.

Whole Foods is so expensive because they choose to purchase high quality products. For example, who else would spend their money on g-d knows how many authentic wheels of Parmigiano Reggiano cheese just to crack it all at the same time to make a Guinness World Record?

Hillary
Chew on that

After reading all the comments, I don't know where to start. I still love Whole Foods which is perfect when you are trying a new recipe and need a whole range of things. When I need cranberries and nuts of any kind but just need a little bit, the bulk section is great. TJ quality is so low, the granola is nothing compared to Whole Foods and the produce, so little to choose from(cheese is great though). Someone mentioned that Whole Foods might have different prices in different areas, that makes sense. In Seattle there is a supermarket called QFC, just a supermarket with prices way more expensive then Whole Foods. I still am so happy that Whole Foods exists.

Oh Hillary, that link brought back a flood of suppressed memories. Portioning that king of cheeses really is a rite of love and labor. In the shop where I worked, it was both a badge and a burden to know how to do it. I was the only female.

Back to the topic, I stopped in the other day to look for some veal. They had excellent prices, in fact, $6.99/lb for shoulder roast. It's the first time I ever bought veal, but I know that when I see it in other shops (rarely), it's in double-digit zone. Same price for lamb shanks, which is good to me. They were a nice size, too, suitable for one per person without being ridiculous behemoths. Since it's not too far from my home, I think I will look to it more in the future for meat. The smaller store in Austin (Sun Harvest) has been bad for me in the meat area, and Central Market can get hugely expensive.

But the produce is ridiculous. The only items I saw that were good deals were fresh herbs (anything other than parsley and cilantro are always $3 per stupid plastic clamshell at the supermarket $1.49 at WF -- still, .99 at Central Market).

Dairy was higher than any other store I visited, though.

And the service really is helpful. I was using their self-checkout and a couple of my items weren't in the computer. She overrode the system and I scored a bag of purple potatoes for a buck.

I do love their rustic French baguette.

I think it does depend a lot on where you are, and what you are buying. I find that their house brand is priced very competitively, and often comes in cheaper. For example their house organic soy milk is the cheapest I have found anywhere. Their cereal bars (my son's snack of choice) are priced the same as the TJ's brand. I live outside of San Francisco, so groceries are expensive no matter where I shop..

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