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A change of heart concerning Sandra Lee.

Did anyone else watch the Food Network's Chefography episode on Sandra Lee? I must admit, I'm the one who started a Sandra Lee post a few weeks back that got quite nasty and actually had to be taken down- though not for my comments. It seems as if many of us have some pretty strong opinions concerning Aunt Sandy's food. After watching her Chefography episode, I've had a change of heart. I still refuse to say that dumping frozen produce and cream of mushrooms soup into a crock pot with instant rice constitutes risotto, but I think her intentions are good and she seems very sincere. I had no idea that she had such a difficult upbringing and that she's was forced to overcome so much. Sandy may not be a chef, but she's trying to make eating well easier for busy parents on a budget. I still think her food sucks, but there's something kind of noble about that. Did anyone else watch the show? What are your thoughts?

74 Comments:

I didn't watch the show, but I've always been a little uncomfortable with the personal vitriol directed at Sandra Lee (and Rachel Ray, and a few others). I certainly don't watch her show, and wouldn't make any of her recipes, but that doesn't mean she's not a good person. Good for FN for humanizing her.

It ran last year and I did watch it. I can not embrace her philosophy. I know she had some life challenges and is making a success out of her ideas. I just have no interest in anything she has to say or "prepare". I want to learn to really cook when I am watching a program. I will still change the channel when her show comes on. Sorry to anyone offended!!

I'm with crazyspice on this one. Yeah, she had a rough upbringing; I know a lot of people who have. Her food combos are disgusting. Does she even test these recipes before she puts them on her show. And a chef friend of mine says some of the info she gives is inaccurate. And why do her recipes get so many negative reviews on the FN website? So many in fact, that the FN refuses to publish many of them? I'm sure some folks are just being trolls, but IMO, where there is smoke.....there is fire.

Even if it is semi-homemade.

I've always been more interested in who a person is as an overall human being than how well they can cook so it pleases me to read your commentary, PumpkinBear.

In terms of measuring her as a professional in her particular field, my understanding is that if there were no value being given to her employers by her overall performance she undoubtedly would not last long in a field that is highly competitive. After all, doesn't everybody want to be a "TV Chef"?

Cooking can be learned in so many ways today. Cookbooks are available that range from the "Idiots' Guides" to the most challenging technical tomes one could wish for . . . they are at libraries for free as well as bookstores where one can indulge in collecting them. Websites galore offer cooking instructions . . . newspapers . . . magazines . . . . classes at the local Y . . . the vast array of products available that anyone could find is enormous, aside from what one can find on television in terms of instruction. If I wanted to learn to cook from TV and did not like a particular TV personality for their style of cooking, clicking the remote to change the channel is about the amount of energy I'd personally want to put into that activity.

Then if still I was unhappy with what I saw, I'd go to the library and the grocery store and get started on it.

Actually, that is how I learned to cook.
Thank you, New York Public Library System and D'Agostinos. :)

I agree with kateeatsalot and Karen and especially share the sentiment that the ugly comments on the part of a certain segment of the cooking/eating community seem unduly nasty and personal. As Karen said, if you don't like it, change the channel.

Very few people have the time and/or the budget to live up to the expectations of putting a perfect gourmet meal on the table every night. While many who love to cook desire being able to afford only the best (and toniest) of ingredients and kitchen gadgets, it's getting harder every day to put a reasonably healthy and tasty meal on most American tables. As unfathomable as it is to many of us who love to cook and who desire to learn as much as we can, the fact is that cooking is not something everyone enjoys. It's a skill that many people feel too intimidated to learn. The result is that a lot of families (and singles) wind up going through the fast food lane or opting for frozen meals.

Love 'em or hate 'em, certain TV food personalities do encourage and inspire people to at least attempt a home-cooked meal by demonstrating that it's not as hard as the cooking-challenged may think, it's not as time-consuming as it seems, and it's affordable. How frustrating would it be for a woman with 3 young kids, a job and a picky husband to watch the "higher end" cooking shows and figure out how she would ever have the time or money to put one of those meals on the table. So...I think there's room for everybody. Vive la difference!

@MelsDiner: I would also like to thank my undergraduate university library, which when I went there, held the largest collection of cookbooks in North America.

As far as Sandy is concerned, I actually defended her a bit on a string a couple of days ago and got really hounded for it. Basically, she is a good person, trying hard, and making a buck on something that people like. IS that so horrible? She could be selling faulty used cars or poisonous medications, so it could be much worse than food that people don't necessarily like. And I have tried a few of her recipes in a pinch, and some of them are not too bad, if you just need to get something together quickly and are in a rush. But, that's just my opinion.

Don't like the way Sandra Lee comes across on TV and her recipes are a joke. When she appears on the screen we change the channel as quick as possible. It's just that easy.

Yes, I watched some of it. I did feel a little bit different about her afterwards. I thought she was coming from a privileged upbringing with all her goofy ideas, but learned that she came from a place where she wasn't really parented much and had to take care of her younger siblings herself.
Then it all made sense.
Hers are the ideas and recipes (and tablescapes) of a little girl without parents to take care of her. They are her interpretation of what she saw on TV shows and commercials about what a mom/homemaker/hostess should be. She may be trying to behave as she wished her mother did- or at least be the exact opposite of her mother.
A little sad, but at least I have a better perspective now.

If she had such a rough upbringing and is now trying to help busy parents eat well, why does she have to feature some sort of alcoholic drink in every episode. I mean, it's just ridiculous to think that at every meal you should decorate your table, put place cards, and serve some sort of strong booze. In my opinon, she has abandoned her past and is trying to be something she can't.

Ina Garten does the same thing in many of her shows -- granted, it's not every single one. I think, since Ina seems to be of a higher caste than Sandra Lee, it's somehow more acceptable to see her boozing it up, and laying out an elaborate table.

Store-bought angel Food Cake frosted in Cool Whip. I can't get past it. It's a deal-breaker for me. I couldn't watch the "Chefography" because I just don't think of her as a "chef".

I don't think that's being "mean" about her; I'm just being honest.

I really don't think it's a class or caste issue with Sandra Lee. I did see the Chefography, and still don't like her show. The show is irritating. The stuff she makes is sometimes terrifying. Plus, it's not altogether cheap. Putting together a different "tablescape" for each party, even if it's using discounted materials, seems frivolous and wasteful. Ina Garten's are always displayed in shows of extravagence (at least in my opinion). I still don't like them, but it doesn't masquerade buying a bunch of one-time-use decor as frugality. And is her food really that healthy?

After learning about her past, I do have some sense of "good for Sandra." Still, she irritates me and I'm not watching her show.

Well of course she's not a chef. A chef is someone who runs a professional kitchen.

But then again, I think that most people who go out to eat in the majority of restaurants that exist would be completely taken aback by the amount of "semi-homemade" being served them under the guise of "freshly prepared" in-house food. The term "chef" and what it supposedly represents to the customer at the table might have to be looked at more closely, actually - given the general state of the industry. But that would ruin a lot of happy times spent by people who now feel as if they are being pampered in the way of being personally cared for when they spend their hard-earned dollars dining out.

That goes double for bakeries. Or maybe triple even.
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The alcohol thing is interesting. Didn't Julia take a tipple quite often also, on TV?

Poor Sandra. Not only is she successful and doing something that actually may help other young people who may be in the position she once apparently was in if they watch her show and try to cook something rather than grabbing for the bag of chips, now the girl can't even have a drink!

In confidence: Though I may have learned to cook from books and not-semihomemade-style, ending up as a chef . . . I have a sister-in-law who though she comes from a family with a good Mom-cook at home was terrified to cook herself. I remember the first time she made brownies at the age of 17, from a microwave carton thingie. It was the only way she could manage to approach the idea of cooking, and she loved doing it.

Years later she now can cook many things, some semi some total.

Life is a progression. Or it should be, in many ways.

Sorry folks, but some of the blame is still well deserved, although as much to the network as to Sandra. What’s airing now is simply a how-to on combining processed food with a little fresh food and warming everything up to a golden crisp. Ask viewers to think about cooking as a form of creation, not as a form of reconstitution. This is not about demanding culinary expertise; it’s about stimulating interest and curiosity. It’s about building pride in a mom or dad that has just managed to pull off a 30-minute meal without the aid of Campbell’s, McCormick’s, Ragu or Jell-O. In the same time it takes her to open a can of peaches and drain the syrup, she can simply cut up 2 fresh peaches. Sandra, when asked why she doesn't use garlic, said "Bleck. It smells." It's GARLIC! Its primary culinary allure is that it smells! Somewhere there’s a loyal viewer that relates to it all because she or he hates to cook each night, too. And you’re more apt to hold on to that viewer if you validate their misery by showing them how to race through making dinner each night so they can get to more important things like watching Survivor. Telling them that every meal is worth the effort would mean questioning their values, and that doesn’t exactly make for stellar ratings. I’ll tell you emphatically that she is not making cooking accessible—she is making it seem unnecessary. When a big serving bowl of pasta is set in the center of the table and the folks sitting at that table begin to rave about the tortellini, there is a certain sense of pleasure a cook takes in hearing it all—in knowing that what you’ve crafted is the cause of all those smiles. But if you’re sitting at that table silently thinking that they are raving about cheese-colored mush squirted out of a can, how much pride can you possibly have? Do you begin to feel guilty that your cheese sauce contains no cheese?

The past several days I've noticed that a Campbell's soup ad that draws attention to their website (and their mostly easy, non-gourmet recipes) is often toward the top right of certain pages here on SE. I've laughed to myself more than once, wondering when someone is going to be offended enough by the ad to start a petition and demand its removal. Me, I don't care.

I do not necessarily like her recipes, but I do connect with the concept of semi-homemade...

I prefer to make things from scratch and learn the "good old ways", but sometimes a little help from the store is indeed needed... check out my semi-homemade version of Spinach Tomatoes and 5 Cheese Risotto.

Madelyn
KarmaFreeCooking

Telling them that every meal is worth the effort would mean questioning their values, and that doesn’t exactly make for stellar ratings. I’ll tell you emphatically that she is not making cooking accessible—she is making it seem unnecessary.

Interesting post, vinovamp. :)

Cooking, to some people may be an art. To others, a craft. Others, a way to nurture. Etc etc.

It is many things, different to each person.

The other category it falls into, though, is that of "carework". Carework is work done that somehow gives care to others. It traditionally falls within the scope of women's work throughout history. And it is something that more and more is being outsourced, the work being taken out of the home and into the hands of professionals outside the home.

This has happened with sewing clothes which used to be done at home. Childcare is another category of carework which is moving out into the world of outsourcing as more and more women choose to work outside the home.

Is cooking at home necessary? Many people obviously do not think so - they do not cook but choose rather to outsource their food. For many people, it really is not necessary. They may be wealthy and choose to hire a private chef, they may just not like to cook but rather enjoy supporting the restaurants in their geographic area, or they may like to spend their time simply opening a can or two rather than cooking from scratch.

Cooking may be necessary to some people based on their personal value system. I like to cook. But I also do not think it's necessary, and in the future it may be even less necessary.

Thanks, Karen. To respond to you I'll say that yes, to many people cooking may very well be unnecessary...but should those people be hosting cooking shows? Seems highly ironic to me. My sole problem is that the network airs her under the guise of someone who is trying to make cooking accessible. She simply isn't. Mel's Diner said, "While many who love to cook desire being able to afford only the best...of ingredients and kitchen gadgets, it's getting harder every day to put a reasonably healthy and tasty meal on most American tables." Here's the rub: what she is teaching you to put on your family's plates is NOT reasonably healthy (and reasonably tasty is up for debate). Have you checked the sodium on a can of mushroom soup? Or the fat? Or the calories?

In the time it takes Sandra to open a can of mushroom soup, pour it over chicken breasts, and add more sodium-laden crap like those onion rings in a can, she can take a whole chicken, stick a few garlic cloves (perish the thought) under the skin, rub it with salt and pepper and throw it in the oven. Not liking to cook doesn't have to translate into not caring what you serve.

Kwanzaa Cake. That is all.

Nope! Don't buy it.....She STILL drives me crazy with her matching clothes and table-scapes. Could you imagine if you were her kid and the pressure to have to have everything matching??

And I just don't like her food.

I am done now.....

@vinovamp -- I think the point Karen was trying to make is that many people actually believe that they can't take a whole chicken, stick a few garlic cloves under the skin, rub it with salt and pepper and throw it in the oven. They believe the hype -- it is too hard, too time consuming, too complicated. Sandra Lee is for those people. Face it, there are HUGE segments of our society who probably don't even know what a whole chicken looks like -- they use Hamburger Helper and Ragu spaghetti sauce and mac & cheese from a blue box. For them, what Sandra Lee does really IS a step up. A baby step, admittedly, but a step.

And really, isn't it better that someone make some god-awful casserole in a slow cooker and set a table to eat a meal with their family rather than serve chicken in a bucket take out?

Kwanzaa cake and the other hideous stuff aside, she is not trying to reach the Serious Eats crowd ... she is trying to reach people who think of food as fuel and cooking as a chore that is beyond their skills. And maybe even teaching a few of them that it can be a pleasure. Who knows, maybe they'll even graduate to Rachel Ray :-)


cornuts. that is all.

Bwah hahahaha! You guys are funny. I can't help myself.

Kwanzaa Cake with CornNuts.

ROLFMAO.
Sorry, Sandra. :)

Ouch. My karma hurts now.

Point taken kjgibson....valid point taken. I can't wrap my head around her being a step up, but you're right...SOME fresh ingredients are better than none. I'm so disgusted now I think I'll go drown my woes in a peanut butter and Fluff sandwich....on WHITE bread.

@vinovamp - If you read my comments carefully, you will note that I never said Sandra Lee's creations (nor anyone else's) are either healthy or tasty. The point was apparently missed. My point is that the chefs/cooks that the food snobs laud do not, for the most part, demonstrate meals that are affordable for the average American family that is struggling to make ends meet. It's common knowledge that the healthiest foods at the store are usually the most expensive. For the most part, processed foods are the cheapest. A can of peaches is available year round. Two fresh peaches in the average supermarket taste like cardboard and are a good value maybe two months out of the year. Is that a pretty fact? No, but it's reality for a lot of people. A can of peaches or a fried apple pie from McDonald's? Neither is ideal but a can of peaches is a step in the right direction. We'd all love everybody to have a perfect understanding of food additives, nutrients, calories and so forth. We'd all love everyone to eat only organic foods and never have a trace of pesticide or bovine growth hormone cross a child's lips. We'd all love everyone to have the same understanding of cooking that we have, but reality is what it is.

You made a lot of leaps in logic in turning my comments into something they are not. Change doesn't happen by berating and adopting a patronizing attitude toward those you don't agree with. Perhaps you could channel your passion into an effort to bring lessons in nutrition as well as P.E. classes back to our public schools or start a public awareness campaign about the vagaries of fast food. Lobby for better school lunches at your next school board meeting. Go to a food pantry and chat with the underprivileged people about how to roast chicken when they pick up their food baskets. Turn over some earth, pour some concrete and bring sidewalks back to our neighborhoods to encourage everyone to walk more. If it makes you feel better to mock me instead, fine. I'm going to go for an invigorating walk in the rain.

I did see the Chefography but still do not like her. I personally went through alot and know many others who have also. I just do not like her personality, recipes, her show in general. This is not to be mean to her but I just don't like her. I also find it distrubing that coincedentally everytime I flip channels and pass her show she has some alcholic drink in her hands, is making one or is talking about how great a certain drink would be with what she is making. I personally do just as Karen suggests, I change the channel. But that is just me.

@MelsDiner...oy, OK, in no way did I mean to offend or turn your comments into something they weren't. If YOU read carefully, you'd note that I never implied you thought her creations were healthy or tasty. I merely used something you said (which made complete sense) as a spring board to a point i was trying to make. Yes, I completely agree that the least healthy food is the cheapest...as a working mother I get it, believe me. As much as I'd like organic food in my kitchen, it isn't there, so please don't think I'm preaching. Lastly, please don't pretend to know what I do and don't do with my time and my passion...THAT is a leap in judgement. And if you noticed, I conceded to someone else's point about her being a step up. I don't think I mocked anyone other than Sandra and the Food Network. C'est la vie.

The funny thing is that most everything that is said about Sandra Lee is true to some extent.

She's iconic that way.

And the price point note is a valid one, too, for most people in most parts of the country. California may be an exception, in terms of cost of fresh fruits and vegetables (or so I've been told when discussing the higher cost of farmer's markets food than grocery store food where I live in other conversations). Inexpensive pantry staples keep many strained families going when the going gets tough - and if Sandra tries to wave a magic wand at that exercise, adding a touch of glitter and smoke . . . well. So much the better. Sometimes, a story told where sows ears do turn into silk purses is a very valuable thing.

Sometimes it's the stories that form life into a shape much better than might actually be possible without them at some times, some places.

But some packaged stuff is more expensive than fresh, isn't it?

Would FN put her on Iron Chef, ya think? That would be classic.

Thank you, PumpkinBear. I'm really quite glad to see this thread. I'm fairly new to SE, and it took me awhile to feel comfortable with posting precisely because I was afraid that, to put it bluntly, I would be attacked as a fraud by a bunch of elitist food snobs if I said the wrong thing or admitted to liking the wrong thing. Comments about Sandra Lee (whose recipes I don't like) and allusions to Rachael Ray (whose recipes I do like - go ahead and shoot me, I think that with the exception of her desserts the vast majority of her recipes are clever, have a fairly sophisticated flavor profile, are reasonably healthy and fresh, and aren't necessarily any more dumbed down than even Contessa Ina's) as, ahem, "Ray-tard," only served to validate those fears. Fortunately, I have learned that, for the most part, SE is a very inclusive, open, fun, and caring community. However, some topics - mostly related to the Food Network - seem to have an inexplicable capacity to instantly induce some kind of culinary hydrophobia.

We all love food here. We all respect food here. It's not necessary to devolve into raving, snarling, barking-madness in the face of what you may consider sub-par cooking in order to demonstrate it. You're here ... so we believe you :-).

There are a lot of valid arguments being made, but many of you are failing to recognize something. Despite your personal feelings on Sandra Lee and her lack of "cooking" skills, it's important to realize that the kids of the women who "cook" like Sandra Lee are really the ones suffering.

It sounds silly to say, but growing up my mom made horrendous concoctions, much like Aunt Sandy, and I grew up hating food. I thought vegetables would always be boiled mush that came from frozen bags, I thought cheese came from a can and gravy was made from a packet of powder. Women, like my mother, who cook like Sandra Lee are set in their ways, but it sucks for the kids. I grew up thinking that food was an unneccessary requirement to live- not that it was good or tasty or challenging to make, but that it was bland and tasteless and came from a can. Then, I grew up. I taught myself how to make fresh bread, how to make stock, how to make a decent sauce. Hell, I can even make pasta now! If someone would have told me as little as five years ago that I would turn into a major foodie that loved to cook I would have laughed in their face.

I suppose the reason why people find food and cooking so intimidating is because it seems as if foodies and chefs take themselves too seriously. Cooking is fun! It seems as if there's this group of people we're refusing to say exists: You either have to cook crap food or put gourmet organic food on the table every night. Believe it or not, there are people who don't use Velveeta and who don't know what foi gras is, but they can still put a decent meal on the table every night of the week for their family.

Yes, I made this post and yes, I DO have a new found respect for Sandra Lee. Not for her food, but for her tenacity and her ability to overcome adversity. We can argue about how her food isn't nutritious, we can get into philosophical debates about whether or not she actually "cooks," but I think her greatest diservice is leading people to believe that processed, pre-made crap is what you HAVE to eat when you're on a budget. I'm a freelance writer, I make crap money and I'm on an incredibly limited budget, but if you want to eat well, you will. I may have to go to three different grocery stores to find the cheapest meat, I may have to buy produce at Walmart, I may have to plan every meal in advance, but it's worth doing because eating well and creating meals that are both nutritious and delicious is VERY important to me and if you have kids or care about yourself in any way, it should be important to you too. Just because you place your processed food on pretty (though that could be argued as well) "tablescapes" doesn't disguise the food you are serving. Your kids may think having a place card is fun when they're four, but by age sixteen they're going to hate food and tear their hair out if they have to eat another one of your Cambell's crockpot creations.

@vinovamp - Given that you directly quoted from my post and then immediately used words from my quote to say that what Sandra Lee cooks up is not healthy or tasty, followed by a question that thereby seemed to also be directed at me, as a reasonable person it seemed implied that that portion of your comments was directed at me. And as you surely understand, I didn't appreciate the presumption that I've never read the nutrition info on a can of soup anymore than you appreciated what you interpreted to be presumptions about what you do with your spare time. (They were, instead, suggestions as to how a person who derides the things you mentioned can work toward changing those things.) If, in fact, the comments you made weren't directed at me as you say, then we have a big misunderstanding. Truce?

One thing is certain: bickering about a Food Network personality on a food blog isn't going to change any of the things that get on people's nerves about Sandra Lee or any of the other food personalities that people disdain so much. If canned soup and processed foods bother people, why not start a post to the attention of Ed Levine to express objections to the Campbell's soup ad that is on every other page of this website? Alternatively, I can only imagine the changes that can be effected if everyone (including myself) got off their keyboards and took some of the actions I outlined in my last post.

And as tacroy80 said, it can be daunting posting an alternative opinion here knowing that the food police are in the wings waiting to pounce. It all seems a bit, well, snobby sometimes. To each his own.

Hold the phone!!! Where are you, chiff0nade? I know you have something to say! Help me out here!!!

Yes, I have to admit that it appears Aunt Sandy is really trying (mostly) to assist working class families cook better and appreciate upscale food with "a more sophisticated flavor profile" from her more (waaaay) down-to-earth level. And, you know, working class families certainly need cocktail hour and a tablescape, as well.

One thought - If you cut back on all the booze and table decorations, could you not afford to purchase fresh mushrooms rather than canned?

OK, just one more thought - then I'm done. Chefography - working term being "Chef"; is it no longer a requirement to attain a degree from a culinary institution to be referred to as "Chef"? Sandra Lee - uh, uh..., Rachel Ray - nope..., Paula Dean - na da... Is FN missing an integral component here?

but if you want to eat well, you will. I may have to go to three different grocery stores to find the cheapest meat, I may have to buy produce at Walmart, I may have to plan every meal in advance, but it's worth doing because eating well and creating meals that are both nutritious and delicious is VERY important to me and if you have kids or care about yourself in any way, it should be important to you too. Just because you place your processed food on pretty (though that could be argued as well) "tablescapes" doesn't disguise the food you are serving. Your kids may think having a place card is fun when they're four, but by age sixteen they're going to hate food and tear their hair out if they have to eat another one of your Cambell's crockpot creations.

PumpkinBear, the important words in your here (to me) I put in bold.

Not everyone wants to eat well in the way gourmands or "people of taste" think is the way to do it (just as not everyone wants to dress well in the way the fashion world and "people of taste" think is the way to do it). People are inexplicable in their tastes. I always remember the quote by Revel To as great a degree as sexuality, food is inseparable from imagination .

Does that mean that some people have bad taste if they eat a certain way or dress a certain way? That's arguable, and obviously depends on a number of cultural and social affects.

As far as being sure that the kids who eat this sort of food will hate it, that is up for argument also. Many kids don't. Kids are as individual as grownups in their tastes, and often surprise their parents in ways one would never ever expect.

It is an interesting thing to undertake, feeding a family, one that includes children. Three meals a day plus snacks for people who (unless they are particularly passive or uninterested) will have their own tastes and will definitely express them to their mother often and sometimes endlessly.
Walk a mile in a single mother's shoes for a week or so before being sure that the idea of cooking without any "semi-homemade" is what is the right thing for her to do. Then keep walking in those shoes each day every day till the kids go to college (don't forget to find time to keep working/writing inbetween for fear of losing one's mind in the flour bins!)

The few women who do this (sans a box or a can) deserve some medals and definitely a museum dedicated to them.

As for me, I must run. There's a recipe for Kwanzaa cake I simply must find!
Mwah hahahahahahah!

People aren't born knowing how to cook. If a person didn't learn how to cook from parents or other family members, how do they learn? Most don't go to culinary school. Cookbooks can be overwhelming, if you've never sauteed anything in your life.

SL may in fact be the "gateway drug" to serious cooking. First, you learn that throwing cans of things together is better than a steady diet of Burger King. Then you learn how to boil water, and you find out that fresh foods aren't so difficult. Maybe you can make a meal in 30 minutes (or a quick-fix meal) with a few pantry items and some advance planning. Pretty soon, you can make a whole meal without opening a single box, bottle or can, and you're hooked.

P.S. As far as fredrika's question "is it no longer a requirement to attain a degree from a culinary school to be referred to as "chef"?

It never was a requirement.

The word "chef" is based on the doing of a particular job, not on an educational credential. It is earned by being able to successfully run a professional kitchen, "run" being the operative word. "Chef" denotes management skills, not solely cooking skills. The title "chef" is not something that can be purchased for the price of a culinary school education.

And that, is a beautiful thing. :)

There are actually many famous chefs who never attended a day of culinary school.

@Karen Resta: I'm not suggesting that eating well means that the food you take in has to be approved by the current crop of celebrity chefs or by foodies. I mean eating in a way that is factually better for your heart and health; fruits, vegetables, grains. No, I dont think people who eat lots of processed foods and fast food have "bad taste," but I think once you've been conditioned with a certain kind of food, "good" food is hard to stomach because it's not filled with salt and fat. Let's face it, if you were raised on McDonalds and Cambell's soup recipes, the idea of an artichoke or tilapia is going to be difficult to wrap your mind (or lips around). I was a nanny for a family four for an entire year. Buying enough groceries on their small budget to feed such a large family with two small children three times a day WAS difficult, but it can be done. I did all of the cooking and I applaud busy parents and single moms. Being a nanny for a year made me realize that parents are amazing (it also made me realize that I will never be mature enough to have children of my own). I guess my point is, people NEED to eat better, and by better I don't mean gourmet food. I mean healthily. I would assume that the reason why Americans are so over weight is because of the kinds of foods they are putting in their body. It's hard to say that eating processed food isn't neccessarily a bad thing when it does horrible things to your health. Wouldn't you agree?

I think I am going to retire from SE!

I was raised by a mother who did not cook, PumpkinBear, so I know about that. It was not difficult for me to wrap my mind around different things to eat, and I am not so impressed by myself that I believe it is difficult for any other person raised in this way to do so. After all, kids either take on the ways of their parents or they don't, and throughout time it's been a toss of the coin as to what happens with that, no? :)

The health issues you speak of are real. Your point is well made.

On the other hand, I've seen as many overweight people in photos on gourmet food boards as I've seen shopping for potato chips at Wal-Mart, the only difference being (to my mind) that the ones on the food boards have a superiority complex about it whereas the ones shopping for chips and dip are just doing it without any pretension.

It's a puzzle, all right. But each person must choose their own way.

Sandra Lee does not make people fat. People make themselves fat, and not always due to semi-homemade.

Had Sandra Lee faced her adversities by preparing real food for those she (purportedly) loved, she would have impressed me. She doesn't get any medals for simply surviving rough patches. We all do that. And most of us (at least on this site) manage to do it while preparing real food.

@chiff - (((((CLAPPING, CLAPPING)))))

She impresses me by the fact that the mere mention of her name garners forty-one impassioned comments within the space of twelve hours.

She also impresses me by the fact that someone (lots of someones) think she's worthwhile enough to actually have a TV show and all that goes along with that, as her professional life.

This, to me, is more of an accomplishment than carping on food boards about what one likes or doesn't like . . . and is more than an accomplishment than being able to cook a meal from scratch.

This particular woman has risen above the average level in some rather interesting ways.

Carp on, carp on. (This can be sung to the tune of "Sail on, sail on" for those who wish a musical accompaniment to the carping.)

I'm having a hard time understanding what ya'll are bickering about, because although I rarely join in, I'm an avid reader of everyones comments. Most of the time, I've come to realize, you are NOT food snobs, but rather, have very keen minds, are lovers of laughter and fun, and have a passion for good food. What seems to be happening here is people who joke and share good thoughts are turning on one another, and ya know what? Sandra Lee still has her show and is not phased at all by what's happening here. If you are as offended by what she's doing as you seem to be, why not appeal to the FN to get her off the air? Picking each other to pieces will only cause some of you to leave SE, and that would be a shame. There are always going to be people who are intolerent of others, who can't, or won't empathize with others, who, if they've had a rough life and survived, have no tolerence for others who have done the same---especially if they've achieved something greater, and not only earn a good living, but enjoy what they do. Can't you let SL go, and use your energy to create peace and harmony amongst you, because you're not hurting, or in any way affecting SL's life, but if you take a few minutes to go back and read all that's been said, you'll see what you're doing to one another.
JudyV

I think that rationalizing--or attempting to rationalize--what Sandra Lee does as a way of helping those who can't or won't cook may be missing the mark. First, there's the simple question of why anyone who doesn't like cooking, or doesn't have time to cook, would watch any cooking show. Non-cooks tend to get their recipes from packages or from someone they know, in my experience.

But I think there's a larger aspect: many, many people have their palates accustomed to processed and packaged food. I can think of several packaged foods that I enjoy to this day, simple because they are familiar and, well, tasty (Rice a Roni and Pasta Roni, Cheeseburger Hamburger Helper). And we've generally been relying on these products for so long that we are attuned to them. For instance, cake mixes: sure they are fast/easy, but more to the point, many people seem to flat out prefer them. I've seen on baking forums time and time again, "How can I get my scratch cake to taste more like a mix?" When I was baking cakes like mad last year, I heard a lot of family and friends say that they like the supermarket crisco+powdered sugar frosting, more than real meringue buttercream. We know what onion soup mix tastes like, and can easily reckon that using it for a pot roast will be a taste that we like.

We even have genuine affection for some of this stuff (cf. the lost childhood foods thread, or the whole series Unwrapped).

So basically I am trying to say that I think most people like Sandra Lee's cooking because they like that kind of food. I'm not saying that it's a happy state of affairs, but I think it is that simple. I don't think she's successful because she's some kind of hero.

However, I still believe that, in a righter world, she would have no place on something called the Food Network.

@ Karen Resta and SEters- I stand humbly corrected. Just goes to show how a couple of Sandra-tinis can cloud one's judgement...

@Chiff great minds think alike....
I do not give points for your food by weighing it versus your personal dramas. We all have dramas. If only I had the time and the actual topic to tell you some of mine.
You can take all the pot shots you like at me, your entitled to your opinion as I am mine. SLop makes junk food. Her food is scary. Her tablescapes are scarier. The Kwanzaa cake was like a bad joke.
What makes it worse is that this home cooking that some of you say she is inspiring is not cooking at all.
It reminds me of fruit punch which is 10 percent real juice. It is an attempt to throw together something and make it look like you made an effort. For some of you that is enough, but not for me. To me cooking "like my grandmother taught me" involves the freshest ingredients, and actual food preparation and some degree of skill. S Lee's food (to me) is not worthy of a cook book, a cooking show or any of my time. It's not even worth all this attention.
We can keep recovering this ground over and over. We are always going to disagree because frankly we can. I am a food snob and I am always going to say that SLop makes slop.
The tablescape lady is not a chef which is why the chefography seems inappropriate. She is a foodt stylist. Her style to me is not style.

SLop makes junk food.

That's right. She gets no applause for this.

...someone (lots of someones) think she's worthwhile enough to actually have a TV show...

It helped that the old coot she married had lots of money and helped "finance" her endeavors, regardless of how shallow or frivilous. She stayed married to him long enough to squeeze his wallet; or until he got tired of bagged angel food cake, whichever came first.

Sandra Lee is not a cook. She is not even a reasonable facsimile of a cook. She is a sham.

Sprinkling salt on the remains of a partially-eaten McDonald's hamburger withdrawn from a curbside garbage pail does not make it appetizing. Plopping Cool Whip on a bagged angel food cake has about the same effect. It's lipstick on a pig.

@frederika - I was actually trying to avoid this thread for fear of it spiraling out of control but I see that happens with or without my participation...LOL.

I wanted to address the title of this post and this is not a jab at PumpkinBear. "A change of heart concerning Sandra Lee." Don't think for a minute you didn't fall directly into the trap laid by TVFN to legitimize the ridiculous subject of this "chef"ography. Their attempt to spin Lee into something more than she is did reach some, perhaps, but others were able to see right through it. I hope future chefographies highlight actual cooks. Lee's hour-long show would have been better spent on the cooking prowess of Elmo. After all, he has cooked with Martha Stewart and Emeril and that puts Elmo worlds ahead of Sandra Lee in the kitchen.

JudyV - We bicker because this is a food forum.

Elmo would actually be a great partner to Sandra Lee, chiff. As would Miss Piggy and Chef from South Park.

I don't have to respect Sandra as a cook, because what she is - is a television performer. As is any person who goes on TV whether it be in the guise of an actor or in the guise of their particular profession.

On the other hand, in her own "spin-off" way, SL is a follower in the tradition (some would add feminist tradition) of Peg Bracken, author of The I Hate To Cook Book.

From the introduction to that book:
Some women, it is said, like to cook.
This book is not for them.
This book is for those of us who hate to, who have learned, through hard experience, that some activities become no less painful through repetition: childbearing, paying taxes, cooking. This book is for those of us who want to fold our big dishwasher hands around a dry Martini instead of a wet flounder, come the end of a long day.

Though I can and when I want to I do cook, I also believe in the inclusion of women do not like to cook into the general embrace of my interest and admiration. Oh - and men too of course.

Honey, you don't have to cook at all to be respected by me.

Everyone brings something to the table of life. Some bring other things than the food, and that's not only okay, it's good.

As for Food Network, if they thought based on ratings that Sandra needed to go, I'm sure she'd be gone pretty quickly. Advertisers want viewers for they money they pay. The viewers must be there in this case.

Having seen parts of the "Chef"ogrraphy and exerpts from her poorly edited autobiography, I still come away from her with feelings of...

...meh.

Both efforts seemed like a response by her handlers to make her seem more sympathetic in the face of falling ratings or a lower "Q score", frankly. Perhaps she had a rough upbringing. So did a lot of us. I'm not interested in watching tv about people who allegedly overcame some hardship only to go on to demonstrate that they don't value good food. Save that kind of nonsense for the Lifetime channel.

Actually before prying myself away from this computer for the rest of the day I must say that I think we are quibbling as much or more than we are bickering.

Arguably, quibbling is a much finer activity than bickering. It is a quite respectable activity.


Quibbling while nibbling is even more fun! (Even if you just say it :D)

@MelsDiner....truce, friend. Now what's say we have a get-together to celebrate the peace and we'll make that Kwanzaa cake Karen keeps talking about! :-)

Just want to chime in again with the thought that Sandra Lee's viewers may very well not hate to cook, but also put out my theory that, although her husband may have got her some meetings and her foot in the door, if he is this successful businessman (I don't know who he is), it's largely because he saw what a genius idea the show was. Put yourself in the shoes of a network executive for a second and you'll realize that a so-called cooking show highlighting--glorifying, even--processed food products is an absolutely brilliant way to sell advertising.

And in that case, maybe we should be thankful to Sandra Lee for subsidizing whatever we may still like on the FN. Rachael Ray, too (and no, I don't sincerely mean this, but hell, it's probably true).

I'm sort of enjoying reading what my father used to call "a spirited exchange of ideas."

Me and Sandra Lee - We have a strange relationship, she and I. As much as I can't stand her/love Semi-Homemade (The show? Come on! It's like Mystery Science Theater 3000 for food! It's cheesetastic!), she's clearly good at what she does. But what she does is not cook well. What she does is tell people that it's okay to base your entire meal on Cream of Mushroom soup and some corn nuts. Which for a lot of people works. You know, I just went into Amazon to check the reviews of her books, and with the exception of "Made From Scratch" (and how ironic is that?)and "Semi-Homemade Desserts" her cookbooks come in at 4 1/2 to 5 stars. So there's a huge fan base out there for her.

Which I don't exactly get, but to each his own. The Food Network, despite what so many people seem to believe, does not have a responsibility to provide only well thought out, intelligent, health-conscious food programming. If they did that they'd be out of business. They need advertisers. Advertisers pay the bills. With a show like SH, it's practically a half hour infomercial for product placement.

Now this may be why so many of us here at SE don't watch all that much FDTV and wax poetic about the old days. So they don't need to appeal to us. They need to appeal to the people their kinds of advertisers want. And let me tell you (I'm in the industry), it's not the high-end balsamic vinegar crowd. It's the people who are frequent users Campbell's soup and canned peaches.

As a newbie to the site (I hear ya tacroy80), I'd like to say I'm glad there was a truce made. What made me want to join SE is that it seemed various views were welcomed. I'm on this site everyday and an avid reader of everyone's comments-as I believe there is a tremendous amount of knowledge that resides here.

I would like to make one point however. It is called Food Network-not Chef Network. The executives at FN are only doing/keeping their jobs. They are just covering the gamet of the food market. From airing cooking shows the likes of Ace of Cakes to Alton Brown to Emeril to Sandra Lee to Paula Deen, they are doing what's necessary to cover the market out there. This is nothing but pure business-and (good or bad) all the above mentioned individuals sell and gather an audience. As soon as Sandra Lee doesn't pull her weight in ratings, her show will be pulled. It's that simple.

Now, if there's a Chef Network and she's on there, then there's a problem...

I SO don't want to get embroiled in this, but I think everybody is not seeing the elephant in the room. Why do you think FN hired her in the first place? Yes, she had money and connections through her hubby, but if she looked like a female Mario and couldn't cook, they would have slammed the door in her face. She is a walking, funny talking, real live Barbie doll with some smarts and a personality, along with the blue eyes, long blonde hair and big boobs. She can move around the kitchen and talk while she pops li'l things in the oven and pops li'l tops off whipped topping. I don't think her concept of easy meals was the deciding factor. Women who don't like cooking probably don't watch cooking shows. Men who don't cook might watch Sandra Lee. So might men who cook real food. As someone just said regarding Iron Chef, it's all about entertainment. Many of us foodies watch her for the shock of it all.

I've said it here before, and I'll say it again.

1. She herself, i.e., her TV personality/style/delivery, is incredibly annoying. When I do watch her, I've learned it's much easier to turn off the sound and use captioning. Reduces the annoyance factor significantly.

2. There is absolutely nothing wrong with her stated objective. Almost every home cook uses some form of shortcut or other, whether for the sake of convenience, unavailability of fresh ingredients, lack of skills, personal preferences, or whatever. It's admirable that she wants to show people who are short on money and/or time and/or skill and/or interest that they CAN put decent food on the table.

The real problem with Sandra is the MISINFORMATION she disseminates, and the poor quality of the shortcuts she offers.

(A) She talks about seeing a recipe and thinking to herself, "That's all the stuff in Bisquick. Why would I buy five separate ingredients to make something I've already got on my shelf?" Since this is in a context of cost-savings, her logic falls flat. Now, unlike Mario, I'm no economist. But I'm pretty sure there is nothing cost-saving about spending $5 for a two-pound box of Bisquick, when I could spend $2 for a five-pound bag of flour and make my own "bisquick". Why not teach that?

(B) There was a clip from an episode of Semi-Homemade where she actually tells the audience, "These are chicken tenders. They are very inexpensive." HUH??? What on earth is she talking about? Where I live, chicken tenders are literally the most expensive chicken you can buy, running about $6 per pound. Why not show people how easily and quickly the can bone and skin a package of split breasts (about $2/lb), and cut them into strips or cutlets? I know it's supposed to be about saving time, but this is not a difficult task, and only takes a few minutes. Even if she suggested buying boneless skinless chicken breasts (about $4/lb) and slicing them into strips, she'd be cutting her viewers' cost by about a third!

(C) Giving people "permission" to use canned condensed cream soup in lieu of making a bechamel for a casserole is one thing. Not everyone has the time, patience, skill set, desire to master it, so this is an easier and relatively inexpensive alternative. But it's criminal to encourage people to spend $1.50 for a 1/4 ounce packet of salad dressing mix or chili seasoning, that's full of all kinds of fillers and salt and whatnot, when she could tell them which few pennies worth of dried spices to get off their spice rack.

I could go on and on. Do I respect, and even admire, what she's accomplished? Absolutely. Do I still find her annoying? You bet. Should she try harder to provide accurate, valuable information that is truly helpful to her target audience. Duh?

I wanted to echo the sentiment: What Sandra Lee attempts to do is indeed noble. It's the execution that fails miserably. Short cuts? Who doesn't love them?? But they need to be real food short cuts.

The first time I watched an ep of Semi-Homemade, I did so with optimism that somehow, some way, this woman was going to make my life easier. I was hoping for an improvement on Rachael Ray, but it was not to be. If I could relay to you the sound of my jaw clanking to the floor the first time she dumped a can of chicken and rice soup into a bowl of turkey stuffing, you'd laugh your heads off. It was right out of a Bugs Bunny Cartoon! "Whahhh? Chicken and rice soup?" And it only got worse. (Corn nuts on cake, LaChoy canned Chinese Vegetables in salad, not to mention the frequent and haphazard use of Cool Whip...)

I'd rather see someone buy a rotisserie chix and cole slaw on the way home from work than "cook" like Sandra Lee. I know everyone does not derive pleasure from cooking but the garbage ingredients used by Lee do not constitute a solution. Show people how to cook simply and easily - using real food - and you'll have that problem solved. So far, RR comes the closest.

@chisai... We have a strange relationship, she and I. As much as I can't stand her/love Semi-Homemade (The show? Come on! It's like Mystery Science Theater 3000 for food! It's cheesetastic!)

OMG I love it. We often come across her on (formerly known as) FTV and start yelling things at the TV like Rocky Horror picture show. It takes me back to my young years of throwing toast at a movie screen. We all yell NO NO NO.
I may now take a different approach of food cinema veritae. That way I might be able not to break a blood vessel. Isn't that "fintastic.
Indulge me: (feel free to hum to yourself)
There's a light over the SLOP tablescape...
Let's do the can of soup again...is it soup yet? (yes it is)
Let me deal you a slice Rif, but first let me throw bottled salad dressing all over it.
I would rather watch Biker Billy cooks with fire. At least he cooked real food.
As for Retchal she cooks throw together stuff to. Not impressed. Far from it.

WOW!! I didn't realize what she is actually cooking! I watched her show twice, when it first aired, couldn't make sense of what she was cooking, and haven't watched it since. I did see her 'Chef'ography, and because of her childhood, it seemed to me she was/is trying to be Miss Perfect, but only to a certain bunch of people. When she first went on air, it was said she compared herself to Martha, and could outdo Martha in all things, but in a way that would appeal to 'regular' people. Well, when I saw her matching everything, and her tablescapes, and what she seems to think is the highlight of her show, the booze, I simply quit watching. Her food, IMO, was, as ya'll (sorry, I know ya'll hate that---ya'll, this is) say, SLop, so there was no reason to keep viewing.
All I was trying to say was, while most everyone here was bickering, or quibbling with each other, possibly losing 'friends' and causing others to leave, SL is totally oblivious to your feelings, and probably laughs all the way to the bank on payday, or when her royalty checks roll in. I thought it would be a shame to lose, in a manner of speaking, to SL. Since I am new to this site, or any food forum, I wasn't aware this is how everyone behaves. Having said that, I'll bet Elmo cooks better than SL, and he's so cute and cuddly, and best of all, unpretentious.
JudyV

For the record, didn't Paula Deen cook with Elmo once?

He sure did. That Elmo gets around, ya know? If I remember correctly, that time Paula cooked better than Elmo, even though he questioned her use of SOOOO much butter, mayo and sour cream. That may have been the day she made blueberry dumplings, which are to die for, but the dumplings are heavy on the butter. Of course, that's what makes them so dad-blamed good. I'm trying to cut back on the use of so much butter and olive oil, so I don't wake up dead soon, but sometimes, as in Paula's b.berry dumplings, I just let go and next day take the dog out and run. So far, I'm still as plump as her dumplings, so I guess I need to work a bit harder.
JudyV

@JudyV.........wake up dead! Love it. I'm practicing and getting better at it each day.

Most people I know, even those who enjoy good food, think I am nuts to make as much from scratch as I do. But I work at home, so I have the opportunity to knead a batch of bread and babysit it while it rises and bakes. If I worked outside the house, I'd buy bread, among other things.

Even the few people I know who do truly enjoy cooking and understand why I do what I do generally aren't in the position to spend as much time cooking as I do.

Because I know so few people in RL who I can talk to about cooking, and who understand my passion, I go online, to places like this, where you-all understand what I'm talking about.

Would we be SL fans? Probably not. Would we love to eat her food? Probably not on purpose. But does she appeal to a significant majority of the other people who aren't like us food weirdos? Probably. Thus, she draws an audience to FN, which isn't a bad thing. I mean, you have to start somewhere.

And like any other recipes, folks can change what she does to suit their preferences. It's pretty simple to look at a SL recipe and say "I'll substitute fresh green bean and homemade marinara for the frozen beans and jarred sauce, and the combination could be good." Not that I'd do that, because I don't watch SL and there are plenty of other places I get my inspiration. But other people might make that leap and end up with 70 percent scratch and 30 percent store bought. It's a beginning. It wouldn't be hard for most people watch what she does and upgrade it a bit, and if that's what it takes to get them out of the fastfood lane and the frozen dinner aisle, it's fine with me.

I seriously doubt there are people who watch SL and nothing else on FN, which is another redeeming factor for her show. They watch her, because it's all they're capable of at this time in their lives, but maybe they tune in to RR or Ellie Kreiger or Mario Batali or someone else, and they see the difference, and they aspire to upgrade their cooking skills.

Everyone starts somewhere. Hopefully they move on.

I met her in a business meeting 2 years ago, and thought she was insane.

She brought food to the meeting, and her plates, napkins and food matched her outfit, pen and notebook. Several people ran horrified from the room.

I can't watch the show without laughing.

That might have made me laugh also, geauxtger. But it also would have made the usual business meeting full of dull people, boring food and lack of creative ideas into something memorable and different.

Did several people really run horrified from the room? Wow. I'd like to see that - it sounds like a movie.
............................

I'm wondering, after thinking about it more, if one of the major sub-sets that watches SL is the "I don't want to touch real food at all" group. It's the touching part that bothers this group - it's too messy, too real, too visceral . . . sort of a bit more extreme than people who can only eat meat poultry or fish if it is plastic wrapped and without eyes or feathers. So that the food is not only about time-and-money saving while looking as if there were personal care going into it but more about distancing oneself from the reality of what food is to start off with - something rather messy.

Several food bloggers have accused Lee of stretching the truth in her book. Subsequent SL interviews in the media seem to contradict a lot of what is in the book. One being first she said her mom died when she was ten, and in another interview, she said she was alive but they were not close....I have no idea what to make of this, but where there is smoke.....you know the rest.

But some packaged stuff is more expensive than fresh, isn't it?

Definitely. That's the "lying" aspect of why I dislike Lee so much. Her opening sequence's voiceover says, "Semi-homemade will save you time and money." Neither is true. It takes time to hunt down all that day glo food and fake stuff; and prepared food is sold at a premium. You pay for the "convenience."

Would FN put her on Iron Chef, ya think? That would be classic.

Only if they'd promise not to edit out the part where she bursts into tears and runs from the kitchen, horrified that the secret ingredient is untrimmed chicken breast.. She'll also go mad when she realizes there's not a bucket of Cool Whip on prem; nor is there any pre-chopped garlic. No corn nuts. No cake mix. She's screwed.

@chiff, excellent point about Iron Chef (I'd just SO love to see that), but you did forget one key ingredient that appears on at least half her shows, usually in conjunction with cool whip...

ANGEL FOOD CAKE (you'd almost think there were no other options available in the supermarket bakery section)

carry on

BF has a sense of humor. We were just in Sam's Club and I ran back to get gum. (God forbid I can't chew my Eclipse...)

When I caught up to him, he was at the books. He said, "I found a good book for you." I saw a beautiful bread book propped up on the book stand. It's magnificent even though I haven't a clue who Margaux Skye happens to be. It was inexpensive so I grabbed it and said, "Thanks!" When I got to the cart, SLop's book was also in it. I spun around and he was already hysterical laughing.

I put SLop's book back.

Face down.

@chiff - LMAO; I'd love to see her with Flay or Batali and watch them yell at her when she suggests "shortcuts".

Sandra Lee: the world will only be safe once she is cleaved in two.

@illeatyou - It's no good, I think it'd just form two Sandy's. And she'd be so mad she'd douse us with "vin-a-ga-rette"

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