Hoagies, Subs, Whatever: Recipe for Chewy Crusty Soft Rolls?
Yes, I want all those things. I love a roll that is crusty/chewy on the outside, where you kind have to use your teeth to tear off a bite, but not so much you break a tooth. Definitely not ciabatta-y or baguette-y. I want 'em light and soft on the inside, but not so much that it gets soggy if used for meatball, sausage or pulled pork sandwiches (I'm doing meatball this time, but I do all these things pretty regularly). Definitely not too dense and/or doughy, and not like a burger bun.
Around here, the ones I like are usually sold as hoagie or kaiser rolls, but let's face it... what you'll actually find in the bag when you get home is totally random depending on where you bought 'em.
Making these tonight, so a sponge starter is fine as long as it's only about six-hours max. I don't have time for a longer 12- or 24-hour version this time around. Any suggestions?
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21 Comments:
Maybe try a bolillo recipe?
srhcb at 9:38PM on 03/19/08
@LoCo - Here in the "Philly" area, I boogie on over to Sarcone's. They have done it for me! Exactly what you are describing. I stink at bread baking, unless we are doing focaccia. Some folks here swear by Amoroso rolls, but me? Neh! Again, I am *Big L on forehead*
crazyspice at 9:56PM on 03/19/08
@crazyspice..........have to agree. Amoroso are too bready for me and don't have that subtle crispness in the crust. I was hoping someone would have the answer for LoCo, 'cause I want it too! I know a couple of places that use the best and always buy a few and stick them in the freezer. I never thought to ask who supplies THEM.
PerkyMac at 10:06PM on 03/19/08
@ Perky - All about Sarcone's! OOOHHHHH YYEEAAHH!!!!!
crazyspice at 10:11PM on 03/19/08
@LoCo - I'm sorry it's too late for tonight's dinner, but I have a recipe that I have been making for about 10 years now. It's a recipe from the Electric Bread book for French bread. When I first got my bread machine, I decided I was going to find the perfect French bread recipe so I could make a loaf every week. I quickly found that a French loaf simply wasn't going to work in the machine.. So I started experimenting with recipes and techniques. I now have a recipe I can whip out anytime in the machine to the dough stage, and make kaiser rolls, hoagie buns and loaves ( 1 large or 2 small baguettes) from it nearly once a week. So... it's called French bread, but it's not a true French, because the rise is not really long enough, and it has a lighter interior, not as moist and chewy. The exterior is crustier than a burger bun, but not as thick and crispy as a baguette. If it sounds like something you'd be interested in, I'll be glad to post it or give you the reference to find it yourself.
P.S. LoCo - Hey Punkin, what happened to the punkin bread recipe? Do I need to start a punkin bread thread?
frederika at 10:48PM on 03/19/08
@frederika... OMG... so sorry about the punkin bread... totally forgot... things have been more than a little bit hectic around here... promise, I'll post it tomorrow or the next day.
I ended up getting rolls at the market because "HAD" to go out anyway to get wine (absolutely essential, right?). Besides, I got carried away working in the garden today (sunburn to prove it), and ended up with no time to make rolls. So no biggie. But I'll want to do it in the future.
SO, if you think your recipe will adapt to manual methods (i.e., withOUT a bread machine, but WITH a stand mixer), please post it or email it! Thanks!
To y'all in Penn... kinda hard to drop in for rolls from SoCalif... but thanks for the tip if I'm ever in the area!
xoxo
p.s., @fred... how's work?
LoCo at 12:13AM on 03/20/08
@LoCo - Gardening? Sunburn? All we have is bread! You win!!
crazyspice at 8:56AM on 03/20/08
@crazy... ha ha! I spent most of the "gardening" time cleaning out the pond. Apparently, the algae doesn't recognize our weird version of "winter" and decided to go to town. What a disgusting mess. And, since I was facing east almost the entire time, technically only my right arm and ear are sunburned! To add injury to insult, my back and legs are killing me this morning. I admit, it was a perfect, beautiful spring-like day yesterday, but don't get TOO envious, trust me!
Frankly, I'd rather have the damned bread! It is just SO, SO, SO hard to get those old fashioned unique high-quality items when you live in the Land of Stucco & Strip Malls (aka South Orange County). There are no "old" neighborhoods to speak of, and hardly any mom & pop specialty places. I grew up in the Los Angeles area, and we actually did have those wonderful Italian markets, tiny butcher shops, produce markets, etc. It's amazing how going a few miles south changes everything!
Anyway, I'm moaning. Please forgive me. I've gotta go run carpool and find that silly punkin bread recipe for frederika now.
LoCo at 9:49AM on 03/20/08
@frederika -- please do post the recipe or a link. i've also been looking for a good one. thanks.
sloppy at 12:17PM on 03/20/08
@LoCo - So,,,,,,Tell the Truth! Are you one of the Wives of Orange County???? Don't be shy!! That's why you won't do the YouTube gravy lesson, right?
crazyspice at 8:10PM on 03/20/08
@LoCo- No big rush on the punkin bread recipe. I'm way too beat to think about cooking when I get home. It's all I can do to get myself to my wine glass... Job? not... good.... but thanks for asking.
Promise I will post the French bread recipe, but it probably won't be until the weekend. Sorry!
frederika at 11:10PM on 03/20/08
I like Del Buono's I am from Jersey LOL
JerzeeTomato at 2:30AM on 03/21/08
Here's a great recipe: http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/recipe.jsp?recipe_id=R223
hereandthe at 9:59AM on 03/21/08
@frederika... I'm sure it's not just LoCo who's looking forward to that recipe... I know I am!
NinjaFluff at 10:18AM on 03/21/08
@crazyspice... I'm laughing so hard I almost sprayed coffee out my nose and all over the keyboard... I do actually live about 10-20 minutes from Coto, but... um... Well, let's take a look at the checklist...
Ginormous silicone boobs that make me look like I might tip over in the slightest breeze? Nope.
Face frozen in a non-expression due to excessive botox? Nope.
Artificially inflated lips that threaten to block my nostrils and suffocate me when I lie down? Nope.
Spiders on my eyelids? Oh. Wait. Those are false eyelashes. Nope.
Living beyond my means? No way, no how, not even I were broke.
In a gated community? Once. Hated it. Never again.
Pool boy? Nope. Do it myself.
Housekeeper? Could and should but don't.
Bling? Yes, but it's all tasteful (not stuff that makes me look like a "working girl" if you know what I mean), and worn only in the evening when I'm somewhat dressed up and going out. Not when I run carpool, go to the market, etc. And never with a velour "track" suit with huge letters across the ass (or any other clothing that screams "pathetic middle-aged woman trying to pass as and compete with teen-aged girl").
When I finally get a round to making my on-screen debut -- I think I'll call it Gravy Training (ha, get it?) -- you'll see that I'm better described as the antithesis of an OC housewife.
(disclaimer, I've never actually watched the show... I turned it on once for about 2.5 minutes, and almost barfed... so my descriptions above may be entirely unfair, although I see plenty of these types every day)
LoCo at 11:04AM on 03/21/08
@LoCo - Are you sure about the track suit? Love the title of the yet to be filmed, but much anticipated educational oscar worthy performance. The Philadelphia Film Festival is right around the corner. If you hustle, I can get it entered for you.
btw: I have only seen an advertisement for the program, but when you mention Orange County, what else could I think??
crazyspice at 5:49PM on 03/21/08
@frederika… I studied my punkin bread recipes, and I’m pretty sure this is the right one. It has a lot of sugar in it, but that’s what keeps it moist. The butter variation is delicious, but much richer (duh). Not sure where I originally got this, but I know I modified it, which is why it’s on a scrap of paper. I think it was probably adapted it from an old Betty Crocker cookbook from the 70s that I used to rely on heavily when I first got really interested in cooking in junior high… If you try it, and it doesn’t seem right, or you don’t care for it, let me know. I have another one (on another scrap of paper) that could be the “right” one.
Also, I have a recipe for pumpkin timbales (not sweet, just a tiny bit of maple) for your hubby. I've never made it, but I'm going to try it out this weekend with the pumpkin leftover from the bread recipe. Drop me an email me if you want it.
Stacey’s Punkin Bread
Preheat oven to 350°F.
Lightly grease two 9x5 loaf pans (if using 8½” pans, use three).
Combine and set aside
⅔ cup milk
1 teaspoon vanilla
Whisk together and set aside
15 oz. all purpose flour or 3⅓-3½ cups
2 teaspoons salt
2 teaspoons baking soda
1 teaspoon baking powder
2 teaspoon cinnamon (1 tablespoon)
2 teaspoons ginger
½ teaspoon cloves
(1 teaspoon nutmeg) — I use the larger measure of cinnamon instead, cuz I don’t much like nutmeg
Cream together until fluffy
3 cups sugar (use 2⅔ cups next time if it ends up too sweet)
1 cup vegetable oil (or 1½ sticks unsalted butter, softened)
Add one at a time
4 large eggs
Mix in just until blended
16 oz. unsweetened pumpkin puree (I use canned)
Add flour mixture in three parts, alternating with the milk/vanilla mixture.
Fold in (optional) ingredients
(1 cup chopped toasted nuts)
(⅔ cup raisins or other dried fruit)
Divide batter evenly between loaf pans. Bake at 350°F for 60-70 minutes, until a toothpick inserted into center of loaf comes out clean. Cool 10-15 minutes before removing from pan and cooling on rack.
LoCo at 2:09PM on 03/22/08
BTW, you can substitute water for the milk (my notes say to use either/or). Also, you can substitute brown sugar for up to 1/3 of the granulated sugar.
LoCo at 3:09PM on 03/22/08
Hi guys! This Easy French Bread is from Electric Bread. I tried it and several other French bread recipes in the bread machine when I first got it and I never had good results,save for one that I used from a mix. I wouldn't EVER recommend making French bread in the machine. Just go to dough stage and shape it in a loaf or use the dough to make rolls. If you want a crispier crust, the recipe states that you can reset the cycle after the first knead for a longer kneading time and thusly it will result in a crisper exterior. I never do this, but by all means, give it a try if that is the ultimate result you desire.
This recipe is using a large 12-16 c capacity pan.
1 1/2 c water
3 1/4 c white bread flour
1 1/2 T sugar
1 1/2 t salt
2 t fast rise OR 3 t active dry yeast.
It makes 1 large loaf, or 6 big hoagie or kaiser rolls. You can probably make 8, but we like them big.
When the dough is done with the "dough cycle", which includes 2 kneads and a rest in between, shape into the loaf or rolls. Grease sheets and dust with semolina or white cornmeal. Place the prepared dough on the sheet/sheets and slash the loaf or rolls. Let rise for approx. 45 min. Then, preheat your oven to 375 degrees and whisk an egg white and 1 T water very well. By that time, your rise should be at about an hour, all total. Gently brush the loaf or rolls with egg white mixture and sprinkle with poppy or sesame seeds, if you wish.
Bake loaf 25-35 min and rolls 15-20 min. Remove from pan to cooling racks immediately. You can make the loaf several hours ahead of the meal. Heat your baking stone in the oven at a high temp and then turn the oven off. Place the loaf on the stone for up to half an hour to warm and recrisp the crust. Prepare to impress your guests immensely with hot fresh bread. It won't matter what else you serve.
frederika at 6:42PM on 03/23/08
Sounds awesome, frederika! I'm going to try it without the bread machine. I've got some nice chicken and apple sausages in my freezer that would be delish on a nice fresh-baked roll!
I'll let you know how the stand-mixer version goes!
xoxo
LoCo at 8:54PM on 03/23/08
Both the punkin bread and the French bread recipes sound great. Can't wait to try them. Thanks!
Editmom at 9:20AM on 03/24/08