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Debunking Food Myths

This idea comes from a post that was made earlier regarding strange things that people have overheard regarding food. So, my question is: when you overhear something strange, especially involving a food myth that someone believes (let's say that you hear it in a supermarket), do you try to correct them? Or do you just (inside) shake your head and move on?

For instance, I once overheard a couple of guys in a restuarant argue over why the *exact* spices that were used ina spice mix aren't listed, and although I was tempted, I didn't bother to tell them (mostly because of the potential to have to go into great detail) about the proprietary reasons for that sort of thing.

Does anyone actually talk to the people about it?

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Truth be told, the most food misconceptions I've encountered were not so much when overhearing complete strangers as when dining/talking with my in laws. Their "food knowledge" is bizarre, to put it mildly - they are the type of people who hear a small part of a story, then guess/make up the rest, adamantly presenting it later as a universally known fact. I'll admit that for the most part, I do not "get into it" with them any more (unless I have an encyclopedia handy, or something like that:-)), since, well, it's pretty much pointless. I guess I am getting old :-)

hahahaha - I'm the same as brooke29 - the weird things I hear about food are mainly from my in-laws! I definitely don't get into it with them anymore either and just let them think what they think (since, regardless of what I say, they'll continue to just think what they think anyway!).

Yep, I'm at that phase of 'regardless of what I say, they'll continue to think what they think anyway' with *everything* these days. Some ludicrous ideas some people go on about, especially regarding Japanese food, make my eye twitch that I want to interject, but I don't.

I feel you, Cassaendra, just for me its weird misconceptions and sometimes incredibly ethnocentric and ignorant comments about Chinese food...

I can't count how many times I've had to suppress the urge to tell someone that no, General Tso's is not real Chinese food.

Brooke hit the nail on the head. I know plenty of folks who just seem to make things up (ok, maybe they just misremember) and present it as divine truth. I used to try and set things straight, but it really isn't worth it. People believe what they need/want to believe. And if I try to correct, I come off as bossy, know-it-all, or contentious. Really, it's not super important which eggplant is male and which is female, and if there truly is a gender designation when it comes to veggies. But I do love it when I'm asked for my opinion or some clarification. In that case, I'll happily open my big, know-it-all mouth!

I do remember explaining to a very irate woman why she couldn't get bananas at the Union Square Greenmarket. She didn't get it.

I can understand, lay people; but grocery store owners and produce managers? When shopping recently, I noticed Vidallia onions. When I looked closely, there was a sticker that said "produce from Mexico!" I told the manager that Vidallia onions come from a specific region in Georgia; but he dismissed me and said they're sweet onions, that's all anyone wants to know.

A friend told me yesterday that she won't eat anything with "lard" in it. Her list included banana bread, biscuits, and anything with Crisco/shortening. After that I told her that crisco is vegetable-based, and explained where lard comes from, and that most baked goods contain it. Turns out, she's been eating shortening for years without realizing it.
@savta--so right about Vidalias. I have extended family that grows them. To compare Georgia Vidalias to Mexico (or anywhere else's) "vidalia"-type onions is like selling Boon's Farm as Dom.

To clarify: the Goergia Vidalia beign the Dom.

My parents believe loads of strange food myths, but I never correct them. The one that gets on my nerves the most is their solid belief that washing button mushrooms quickly under water will make them "water logged." It's such a silly myth, but they are set in their ways and there's no use in trying to convince them otherwise.

I don't bust into other people's conversations, but if it's something I'm involved in, I'll see if my input is going to be welcome. Lately, my MIL will sometimes state something about food, then my FIL will ask me about it, because he knows its a topic I'm familiar with.

Recently we got on the topic rice, and my MIL said there were two types of rice, white and brown. And FIL added wild rice. So I went into short, long and medium grains, red rice, and how wild rice was actually a grass, and that brown rice is the same grain as white, etc. They were really interested in it all.

In another instance, I was looking for bread flour, and a store employee asked if I needed help, and I said I needed bread flour and she picked up some pastry flour, and I made an attempt to explain why I needed bread flour. I don't know how much of it she grasped, but at least I think she got the idea that they weren't interchangable.

For me, the most common misconception is that pork needs to be well done. Yes, there are cuts of pork that benefit from a long wet braise like shoulder, or ribs that cook for a long time slowly in the oven with a little moisture, then get finished on the grill. But loin? WHAT is heroic about cooking pork loin to death?

Today's pork is so lean - too lean, some claim, that it's almost devoid of flavor and certainly of fat. People have this picture in their heads of the farms of the 50's where pigs ate germ-riddled garbage from the house (and worse), so trichinosis was a huge threat. The fact is today, pigs eat better than we do. They get fed (many times organic) grains and corn and there is no need to cook pork loin to within an inch of its life!

I can't help but roll my eyes when someone orders pork chops well done. Sometimes I do more than roll my eyes. My BF's dad ordered pork loin well done at dinner the first time I met the parents. Needless to say, I bit my tongue and just wrote off his dining experience that night. Predictably, when I asked how he liked his pork, he said, "It's dry."

I took a chance and advised him, "Next time you order pork loin, please... order it medium. It will be cooked but it will not be devoid of juice and feel like sawdust in your throat." He looked wary. "Try it once," I said. "If you're unhappy with it, you never have to do it again. But just try it once."

Truth be told, we haven't had many meals out together and for all I know, he continued to order his pork well done and suffer in silence - but I'm hoping not. The dad loves my cooking and I'm hoping he trusts me enough to try ordering pork loin medium. Just once.

Well, the old stories about trichinosis were true. But threre's a lot, lot less of it than there used to be. I do have one occasional dinner guest that is quite phobic about the done-ness of his pork. I gave up arguing about the done-ness of pork.

@Lemons - After a mention or two about it, I generally accept that the person wants shoe leather on a plate and move on with my life. I do have a motto though, "He who orders beef or pork well-done gets exactly what he deserves!!" :D

Especially considering it was a fairly genuine threat, I wouldn't expect to debunk the pork story to someone of a certain age. In my lifetime, they may miraculously eradicate salmonella, but even if they do, I'm not sure I'd ever want medium-rare chicken (of course, more realistically, I'll get it from my fruit, right?).

The 'warm cookies give you diarrhea' story makes me want to have kids, simply so I can fill their minds with hilarity, a la Calvin's dad.

Oh, yes... good one @chiff! That pork thing drives me crazy. I've actually seen people do the same thing with a fine, lean cut of beef, like tenderloin. "I don't know why everyone loves this place so much. My steak's really tough and tastes like liver." "You might want to try ordering it done to no more than medium. That's the most a lean, tender cut like that can take." "Ew. No way. I can't eat bloody meat." {rolling eyes}

Even when trichinae infestation was prevalent, it was never necessary to cook it to well-done, since trichinae are killed at just under 140 degrees, and pork is considered medium at 155-160 degrees. Virtually all dangerous critters are destroyed by the time you hit 160 degrees.

Growing up, I always thought I disliked pork unless it was braised or smothered in gravy. Many memories of very well-done unadorned pan-seared pork chops. The first time I ate pork cooked to medium, I was a little freaked out by the pinkness. But since I had, by then, read that this was proper and safe cooking, I went for it... Wow! Like a different (very delicious) animal all together! One of my favorite meats now!

Oh, I don't doubt that trichinosis was quite prevalent at one time - just not now. Not sure but I think salmonella is as much a cleanliness issue as it is a "degree of doneness" issue. Although people don't generally cook white meat chicken to death, you still have to wash your hands thoroughly after handling chicken.

One of my favorites has always been: Potatoes are so fattening. Umm, not really. It's what you do to them. If you add butter, milk, cheese, bacon etc, yeah, then they become fattening, very tasty, but fattening!

@PumpkinBear: AB did a whole "Good Eats" episode on mushrooms and included a segment on rinsing, soaking, scrubbing mushrooms to see how much water they gained. Maybe you could have the folks watch that for fun. :-)

SayWhat, I think the mushroom rinsing segment was on his MythCrackers episode.

I, clearly, will correct people if I think the information is actually useful. Sometimes also if the particular misconception is one that I find especially egregious.

i'm tired of the "gin is bruised" if a martini is not prepared properly. someone needs to explain to me how in the hell you can bruise a liquid.

@Chiff - Good One!! I never bother to correct anyone. After all, they learned from "They Say". Anyone eating in my house is only allowed to listen to me. ;-D

Every now and then, someone will come up with a "fact" preceeded by, "They say that..." and if I'm in a particular mood, I'll politely ask who "they" are. It usually gets people to stop and think about whether what they're stating as an obvious fact actually has anything backing it up.

I once overheard one man telling another that chocolate truffles were a very special sort of chocolate that grew underground and were sniffed out by trained pigs. I couldn't let that one go by! I had to stop and explain, as politely as I could, that the chocolates were only named after the fungus they resembled.

Okay, even though the thread is old, since it's a "Food Myths" discussion I just have to say, I'd never want to be a pig. Bad enough to get castratrated and have the tail and ears docked without anesthesia so my mates I'd be packed in with won't chew them off for nothing better to do, but a pig's sense of smell is so great they can detect a truffle 6 feet down yet we grow them pinned in places that are so filthy and disgusting they have to have antibiotics, fungicides and pesticides to survive and that's only if the fans don't stop.

Trichinosis is nothing in comparison.

Further to a pig's food, no thank you:

Hogs Although hogs are known to eat just about anything, their eating habits are actually very particular. Hogs like to eat together, and foraging for food is an important social activity. When food runs out, they will continue to root around, or continue chewing even when there is nothing to chew on. Competing for food is natural hog behavior, and although it is important for a farm to make sure all pigs are sufficiently fed, it is equally important that pigs are allowed to carry out competitive social behavior at feeding time, even if it means providing extra bales of hay for them to root in.

Pastured pork production involves raising hogs on grass, legumes, standing crops, or any other ground cover. This diet, combined with good management practices, makes hogs some of the easiest animals to raise on pasture.xi Unlike ruminants (cows and sheep), hogs require more nutrients than what pasture alone can provide, but a variety of crops like turnips, kale and fodder beets are excellent protein-rich food sources.

Although raising hogs on pasture is relatively simple, agriculture corporations choose to raise hogs by the thousands, ignoring their needs for space, social interaction at feeding time, and the quality nutrients that the pasture can provide. Confined to small pens and given no room to forage or even move, hogs in factory farms are fed mainly corn and soy, two crops that are cheap, easy feeds because they’re often genetically engineered and typically subsidized by taxpayer dollars.

In some states, garbage can legally be fed to pigs, and if this garbage includes uncooked meat, pigs are at risk for diseases such as hog cholera, Foot and Mouth Disease, African swine fever, and swine vesicular disease. Other pathogens of concern are Salmonella, Campylobacter, Trichinella, and Toxoplasma. These diseases may be spread to other livestock or humans if hogs eat contaminated meat in improperly treated food waste.

Pasture-raised hogs are not only happier and healthier than hogs raised in confinement, but they also have higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids in their meat, and more vitamin E than factory-farmed hogs.

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I've continually hit my head against the wall with my parents. When I was in grad school and couldn't afford anything more than the true open- all- hours- dive, I took my parents; and, my mother ordered her favorite...porkchops. Then proceeded to quiz the waitress..."Are they juicy...are you sure". Mom...they are only $4.75...how juicy do you really think they are going to be no matter how much you pressure the wait staff! Mom, I don't think their "chef" is known for creating mouthwatering fare!

As well, my parents insist they love hamburgers but HATE steak. Try as I might to explain that hamburger can essentially be ground up steak they insist they cannot stand the taste of steak. Of course, this all stems from their perpetual and self imposed financial constraints...to say they dislike a food negates having to consider paying more for a delicious meal. So, the worst is trying to get my parents to just consider a moderately priced entree just to try something as I'm sure they would enjoy it once tasted. As you can imagine, their thriftiness extends to keeping even the smallest smidgeon of left over from homecooked meals until it has been reduced to nothing no matter how old....a dicey proposition indeed! End result is their own personally held belief that anything that does not get eaten is wasteful and since their are straving children somewhere else in the world.... But they seem impervious to understanding that there really is a expiration date on leftovers.

Sieseye, you can also note that they are highly intelligent animals. That's why I stopped eating industrial pork.

And that's not to mention the horrific community and environmental impact of the CAFOs.

Trixie, in defense of your parents, I think the hamburger/steak thing may also be more of a texture issue. I used to hate steak because of the chewy texture, which is obviously not apparent in burgers.

@trixie, judging from your description of your parents, their avowed dislike of steak sounds completely logical to me, since it's very likely that "steak" to them is likely to be something along the lines of overdone round steak.

One night in a deli line, I heard a 20-something gent holding forth to friends about how Yogi Berra used to own the Yoo-hoo company. I was able to, in all honesty, turn around to him and say, "Well, I actually work for Yoo-hoo and while he was a spokesman, he never actually owned the company."

I gave out free key chains. Everyone seemed to leave happy.

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