Overnight Macaroni and Cheese: Have You Tried It?
Famous three-Michelin star chef Guy Savoy has an overnight method for macaroni and cheese in The Best American Recipes of 2005 - 2006. The dry macaroni is soaked for 24 hours in heavy cream, milk and gruyere cheese then baked at 400 F. Has anyone had any experience with this recipe/process? I have all the ingredients and am prepared to start soaking. Will I be disappointed?
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48 Comments:
I have never heard of such a thing, but I'd be really interested as to how it turns out. Please, let us know.
chisai at 3:50PM on 02/12/08
Wow! I've never heard of this either. When I make my own mac n cheese I always mix dry macaroni and extra milk/cream/cheese in a big pan and then pop it in the oven. The pasta stays al dente this way and you avoid the mac mushyness.
bitchincamero at 3:57PM on 02/12/08
Almost impossible to imagine Savoy being wrong on something like this...
I'm dying to hear how it turns out, especially the final consistency of the sauce. I'm thinking it should be wonderfully creamy, as you'll have retained all of the starch from the pasta that would normally be lost in the cooking water. Also, the liquid and lactic acid in the milk probably help get the pasta partly "cooked" before baking.
I hope you're making it tonight. I'm drooling at the thought, and prepared to validate your test through duplication once you have your initial findings!
LoCo at 4:11PM on 02/12/08
LoCo - actually, I'm soaking the macaroni now for tomorrow night's dinner. It only has 1/2 c. gruyere mixed in with the other dairy to soak and the other 1/2 cup cheese goes on top when it bakes. The description of the recipe states that there isn't a "cream sauce" and the top gets gloriously crispy. Well, I'm not sure if SO is going to like crispy topped mac & cheese since he has been a blue box boy since college. I have a wedge of fontina also (and as usual, I'm probably messing with perfection) so I'm thinking about adding extra melty cheese. I usually always make a new recipe exactly before I start adjusting, but I'm very apprehensive!
It's 8 oz. macaroni, 1 1/4 c milk and 2 c cream, 1 c gruyere (1/2 c in and 1/2 c on top). SO says more cheese can never be bad, but I'm thinking Guy knows what he's doing in the kitchen, so....eeeck! What do you think?
frederika at 4:34PM on 02/12/08
Well, first of all, that's not a very big batch of m'n'c so you can always roast a chicken or something to have with it, just in case.
Second, it sounds like it may be one of the "dry" versions, which are super delish, but definitely not anywhere near blue box in texture. When I say dry, I'm thinking of one that usually has a a gratinee topping (e.g., bread crumbs or panko), and is very cheese-intense in terms of flavor, but not much in terms of sauciness. I think of them as actually being more like the "original" m'n'c which typically was just mac, butter and cheese -- no cream, no sauce, etc.
Anyway. More cheese might be good, but it also might break and end up greasy/gloopy. I guess I'm not much help here. But I do have one final thought. If SO doesn't like it, it just means more for you!
;-D
LoCo at 5:20PM on 02/12/08
Thanks for posting this, I'd love to try it. How long do you bake it? Do you sprinkle the remaiing 1/2c cheese on before youput it in the oven, or do you bake it for a while first and then top it?
With an unconventional recipe such as this one, my personal opinion would be to stick to it exactly and then adjust. Otherwise you'll never know what went wrong (if it does go wrong, that is.) And that's coming from someone who almost never sticks to recipes, when they are of the conventional sort. I will look forward to your follow up post tomorrow!
seyo at 5:22PM on 02/12/08
In the cookbook "Not Your Mother’s Slow Cooker Cookbook" by Beth Hensperger and Julie Kaufmann there is a recipe for macaroni and cheese that uses uncooked macaroni. It is very good.
persephone113 at 6:22PM on 02/12/08
Tell us how it goes!
Christina at 7:01PM on 02/12/08
I also can't wait to hear how these turned out! I never make macaroni & cheese since I would be the only once in the house to eat them. But...it sounds too good, and the weather is right, so I just might go for it:-)
brooke29 at 7:02PM on 02/12/08
@persephone:
Please, please share that recipe... I just LOVE the idea of doing mac'n'cheese in a slow cooker!!! Never thought of it, but it sounds like it would be a great idea. And since I'm home all day, I'd get to enjoy the aroma for hours and hours until dinner time... MMMMmmmmmm...
LoCo at 7:46PM on 02/12/08
I have an oven baked pasta recipe along the same lines but even less prep:
soak 8 oz dry ziti (or any other shape you like) in 6 tbs olive oil (obviously only the best you have) for around 20 minutes. add a 28oz can of crushed tomatoes & salt & pepper to taste. bake for about 40-45 min at 400, stirring every 15 min. it's the easiest no brainer emergency dish in the world...you can fiddle with and mix in things at the end to make it more substantial but it's pretty fine all on it's own.
forgot where i got it but have been making it for years.
would really like to try the 24 hour mac & cheese too. i assume the "soaking" in this recipe takes place in the fridge!
can't wait to hear from whoever tries this one first!
hanak at 11:23AM on 02/13/08
@hanak - yes, the "soaking " takes place in the fridge. I started that about 6:30 PM yesterday and I just checked it. The mac is edible to the tooth and tastes a bit starchy at this point (2:30 PM). So I am planning on baking it about 7PM and will definitely report back on the results.
Oh, BTW seyo, I am sticking to the recipe exactly, in order to assess it accurately. Then we'll see what goes wrong. ha ha
Thanks for the ziti recipe also. That sounds like it would be really good all-veg, with zucchini and cheese on top.
frederika at 2:44PM on 02/13/08
Is it wrong that I'm more excited to find out about this pasta dish than I am about going out on a date tonight?
Kerosena at 3:50PM on 02/13/08
As the macaroni turns!
First food porn, now food opera!
Cassaendra at 5:36PM on 02/13/08
OK how long do you bake?
I need to know when this dish is going to be ready.
I am so hungry, but don't worry I don't know where you live.
wookie at 5:44PM on 02/13/08
wookie, I wouldn't count on a report before 8pm ET since it's not going into the oven until about 7p... damn!
LoCo at 6:24PM on 02/13/08
My date was actually pretty good. How was your mac and cheese?
Kerosena at 9:30PM on 02/13/08
frederika! Those dirty dishes will keep! Get in here and speak to us! NOW!
(yes, I'm a mom)
LoCo at 9:50PM on 02/13/08
All - 9:07 PM ET - Husband is quite satiated after 2 helpings and the only reason he did did not go in for 3 was because I also forced a bowl of soup down him. I have to say I am quite surprised and delighted with the results. But I certainly hope our dining experience didn't seriously delay the dating experience! You guys are hilarious!!!
This mac and cheese was unlike any I have ever had. The texture and creaminess were so reminiscent of the Pommes Dauphinoise that I make from James Peterson's Fabulous French Food. I thought that myself, however I did not verbalize it . Then he says " this reminds me of the potato gratin you make"; well, it is also French!
Here's the recipe kids -
8 oz elbow macaroni (a good imported one from durum wheat is recommended)
1 1/4 c milk
2 c heavy cream
1 c grated Gruyere or Emmental
salt
freshly ground pepper
- Ok, here's the part I forgot to do. Don't ask...
The day before you plan to serve the gratin, bring a large pot of salted water to a boil. Add the macaroni and cook for 4 min. or until very al dente. Drain and cool under cold running water.
- now you can pick up where I started -
Combine the milk, cream, and 1/2 c of the cheese in a large bowl. Toss in the pasta and mix well. Salt and pepper to taste. Cover with plastic wrap and refrigerate for 24 hours. The pasta will absorb the milk mixture and expand.
When ready to serve, bring the macaroni mixture to room temp.
Preheat oven to 400F. Place the pasta in a 2 qt. baking dish. Sprinkle the remaining 1/2 c cheese on top. Bake for 15-20 min or until golden and crusty.
As I admitted previously, I accidentally omitted the pasta pre-cooking step. ( well, it's a very complicated recipe, after all and there were extenuating circumstances!)
Note at the bottom of the recipe * The degree to which the macaroni absorbs the milk and cream bath varies greatly. If there seems to be a great deal of creamy milk in the pasta mixture when you're ready to bake it, pour it off and measure it. You can return 1/2 c to the pasta, but any more will make it too wet.
I left all the milk/cream in the pasta and baked it for an additional 5-10 min. I think this kind of compensated for the omission of the pre-boil step. Since this dish has already been requested again soon, the next time I'll really follow the directions. Seriously.....
frederika at 9:57PM on 02/13/08
Oy! Did ya never hear patience is a virtue? I just love you guys!
You've got to try this recipe. It was really really good. Rich, but really good.
frederika at 10:04PM on 02/13/08
Yay! Sounds like you did a brilliant job (even with the omission)! Guess what I'm cooking this weekend?:-)
Thanks so much for the recipe and the report, it was worth the wait:-)!
brooke29 at 10:58PM on 02/13/08
Oooooo... can't wait to try it... I guess we'll all have to post back our own trials and tribulations!
Now. If only persephene would post that darned crock pot version... I'd be set to go!
xoxo
LoCo at 11:56PM on 02/13/08
BTW.... I forgot to say...
CONGRATULATIONS! Great recovery from your little flub!
LoCo at 12:03AM on 02/14/08
I can't wait to hear how yours turn out. I have to say I was concerned about it being creamy enough for the SO. I'm glad I left all the milk/cream mixture in it. The first helping I thought was maybe too soupy, but he loved it. And it absorbed the liquid as it sat in the bowl for 2 minutes before we even sat down to eat it. Then I turned the oven off and put the casserole back in and cracked open the oven door. It was in for like another 10 min. and it was just perfect for the second bowl; golden and bubbly on top and still rich and creamy inside.
frederika at 10:01AM on 02/14/08
And BTW, I've taken kitchen flubs to a new height. Some of my recoveries have been nothing short of miraculous. Was it Julia Child who said to just tell people it was supposed to turn out that way? I stopped apologizing a long time ago for my kitchen nightmares and just let people eat them.
Happy Valentine's Day!
frederika at 10:18AM on 02/14/08
Do you think this recipe would work with Oltermanni or Volendam cheese? I snagged a 1.5 - 3 sample cheese thingy from igourmet (it was at Target?) for $9. Retails for $32.99. Anyways...I need to use up the cheese! This looks wonderful!!
jcrisco at 11:48AM on 02/14/08
Thanks a lot for sharing this recipe... I will make it today to eat tomorrow. I already make manicoti using uncooked pasta, but this one is a new one to me.
I will certainly try it and hopefully enjoy it as much as you guys did... Thanks again.
MadelynRodriguez at 11:50AM on 02/14/08
@ hanak - do you add any cheese to that baked ziti recipe??? or is it just pasta and tomato sauce?? I am tempted to do this right now!!!!!
MadelynRodriguez at 11:59AM on 02/14/08
@LoCo, Yeah, I figured I would check in around 9:30 last night, but of all
things, I lost my internet and cable around 7-ish and didn't get it back until 8 a.m. this morning. Ya'll should have seen me this morning trying to find out how the dish turned out, LOL.
@Frederika, I think by skipping the 4 minute boil, you've made it an easier recipe. All due respect to Guy, but I'm going to do it your way. ;o)
wookie at 12:19PM on 02/14/08
@madelynrodriguez- once i added diced up mozzarella after taking it out of the oven and then freshly grated parmesan on top. you really can use your imagination on this one, but the basic recipe gets nice and crusty on top. you can use it as a main course or side dish. just make sure you give it a stir every 15 minutes or so!
hanak at 12:33PM on 02/14/08
@ hanak - thanks. I was thinking of doing that same thing... I have some fresh mozarella and home grated pecorino/parmesan mixture.
I was not kidding you - it only has about 20 minutes to go in the oven... you solved my lunch indecision today. Thanks a lot.
I will most definetly post it today in my blog... and give you full credit.
Madelyn.
KarmaFreeCooking
MadelynRodriguez at 1:18PM on 02/14/08
ok, I had some leftover cream, half and half, and a block of old Irish cheddar in my fridge, so I am going to try this recipe out. I am intrigued! I used a little less cream and a little more milk because that's what I had on hand, and 3/4 of a cup of cheese, because that's also what I had on hand. I shall report my findings tomorrow.
Could this be the next "no-knead bread??"
Greyhoundgrrl at 4:52PM on 02/14/08
My mother-in-law passed on this recipe to her son (aka: my husband) that he loves:
3 tbls butter, melted in a 9 x 13 pan
1 tsp dry mustard
2 cups elbow macaroni, uncooked
2 cups sharp cheddar cheese, cubed or shredded
3 3/4 - 4 cups milk
Preheat oven to 350.
Add dry mustard to melted butter and stir. Add dry macaroni and toss to combine and coat with butter/mustard mixture. Top with cheese. DO NOT STIR. Add milk. DO NOT STIR. Place in preheated oven and bake for 45-55 minutes. Macaroni will be al dente when done and there will be crispy/crusty bits aroiund the edges.
Now I play with this recipe a lot! I will use extra sharp cheese or other cheeses, different shaped pasta (penne, bowties, shells etc), I add broccoli, cut up hot dogs (my daughter loves when I do that!) etc.
SayWhat at 8:28PM on 02/14/08
@jcrisco - I'm sorry , but I have never heard of either of those cheeses, and I've eaten A LOT of cheese.. All I can say is that if they are good melting cheeses, I would indeed try it. One of our favorite mac & cheese combo's is a four cheese, so I say ramp it up!
@wookie - I tasted the macaroni before I baked it so see how softened it had become. It tasted a bit starchy yet. That concerned me, however, when it was baked I could no longer detect that taste. I will definitely abide by the recipe and do the pre-boil the next time to test the quality of the pasta. It may work equally as well either way.
We have not attempted to re-heat this dish as yet. Since the texture of the sauce is so similar to Pommes Dauphinoise and that always severely breaks when re-heated, I am very concerned about that. Please comment if you have negative experiences with re-heating issues. Thanks!
frederika at 10:26PM on 02/14/08
@ hanak and the whole thread.... a promise is a promise...
here is the link - for the Easiest Baked Penne ever - a recipe I have known for less than 24 hours.
Thanks a lot!!! I am trying the overnight macaroni and cheese next... Thanks frederika.
Madelyn
KarmaFreeCooking
MadelynRodriguez at 12:42AM on 02/15/08
I'm trying frederika's... er... or is it savoy's?... mac'n'cheese this weekend...
still waiting to hear from persephone (or anyone who has that cookbook) on how to do the slow cooker mac'n'cheese...
(fingers drumming on tabletop... impatiently...)
;-D
LoCo at 1:03AM on 02/15/08
You guys, I love this thread.
Kerosena at 10:36AM on 02/15/08
@Kerosena - it's no holds barred!!!!!
ha ha.... well, it was MY somewhat mega screwed up version of savoy's version....
I'd really (seriously now!) like to know if anyone tries it with different or a combo of cheeses. Please keep me updated!
frederika at 11:04AM on 02/15/08
I tried this recipe as my first foray outside of blue-box mac and cheese. No pre-boiling, and it came out delicious!
fermezporte at 7:09PM on 02/15/08
What's up fellow eaters? I know some of you were trying this recipe this weekend. I'm anxiously awaiting reports!!!
frederika at 4:12PM on 02/17/08
I wonder if it would work with whole wheat, kamut or spelt pasta. I wouldn't want to do it with brown rice pasta, because that falls apart when cooked stove top so it would turn to mush during the soaking process. I tend to avoid white pasta (refined flour altogether) but acknowledge that durham semolina is commonly used because it holds up well.
Any thoughts?
CanadianFoodieGirl at 9:24AM on 02/18/08
@CanadianFoodieGirl - this probably is a better question for Shirley O. Corriher or Harold McGee, but as a non-food scientist type, what I would probably do is just do a little experiment myself. Why don't you soak a small amount of each type of pasta in milk for 24 hours and test the texture of them? I'm not familiar with using kamut or spelt, but I'm thinking whole wheat sounds really good. I think I would rather do the testing first than waste all the cream and cheese and have a big soggy mess that was inedible. Good luck!
P.S. My husband reheated the leftover mac in the micro and it did very well. I was concerned that it would break with all the heavy cream in it, but it was fine. Just heat on very low temp for a longer time. He's already asked if we can have it again this week. Thanks Guy!
frederika at 12:48PM on 02/18/08
@CanadianFoodieGirl, I didn't read your post before, kind of wish I had- but I am as we speak trying it w/ brown rice pasta. I skipped the preboiling step a la Frederika and am only going to soak pasta for about 8 hrs, not overnight. Will report back on how it went after I eat it tonight- whether it's yummy or just a big ol' pile o' mush!
karenita at 1:23PM on 02/18/08
@karenita - Don't feel bad. I read the recipe several times and still managed to skip a step! (as you can see above) D'oh.....
frederika at 2:18PM on 02/18/08
@CanadianFoodieGirl - I am in the process of making this recipe with whole wheat pasta. I am quite sure it will hold up nicely as it is somewhat denser than regular white pasta, I believe. I also decided to omit the pre-boiling step (frederika, it seems like you have quite a number of followers there:-)). I did, however, start soaking it last night. Will report later, but I have a feeling it should be good:-)
brooke29 at 2:35PM on 02/18/08
OK I just ate the recipe made with brown rice pasta. I think I may have overcompensated for how mushy it usually gets because I had to cook it a bit longer to get the pasta cooked through. I also left a lot of liquid in it and it was pretty wet. But overall worked just fine! It was very delicious and creamy inside, with a nice crusty top.
To clarify: I didn't parboil the pasta before- I only left it in the cream for 8 hrs- I ended up cooking it around 30 minutes, with about 10 of those minutes tented with foil (so as not to brown the top too much.) Based on that I think next time I will try the recipe as it's supposed to be, whether using the brown rice pasta or regular. Or at least leave it in the cream overnight.
karenita at 11:22PM on 02/18/08
If anyone is still checking this thread, I have a question: while I know I am going to try this because a.) I am a sucker for new techniques and kitchen adventures, and b.) it's MACARONI & CHEESE!, why are we doing this? I am just curious about what the benefit/result is with this method that makes it in some way preferable to others. What should I be looking for?
Cary at 10:34AM on 02/22/08
I think the process/recipe was just designed by Chef Savoy for ease in preparation for homecooks. It is indeed very simple and quite delicious.
frederika at 11:18PM on 02/23/08