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In the future will everyone be a vegetarian?

My fifteen-year old daughter informs me that among the high-school crowd on MySpace one of the more popular things to do is to define oneself as a vegetarian (even though there are several people who have defined themselves as such that she knows are definitely not so in real life).

It's also becoming the Thing to Say that: "In the future, everyone will be a vegetarian".

She asked me if I believed this and I said no, some people would probably take to eating vegetarians before they gave up meat entirely.

So - am I wrong? In the future will everyone be a vegetarian, like they are trumpeting on MySpace?

34 Comments:

This is going to depend a lot on the state of the environment and the global economy, and the size of the world population. From an economic and environmental standpoint, this doesn't seem impossible, or at least that eating large portions of meat at meal, or eating meat several times a day may become a thing of the past. There would be plenty of resistance to this, but I think cost and availability will eventually take some sort of toll on eating meat whenever we please.

I hope not.

I don't think it's unusual for teenagers/college students to be vegetarians. I knew several people, including myself, who went that route, if only for a brief period of time. And honestly, about 2 of them still are vegetarians.

I agree with mongoose that there will probably be a trend towards eating less meat. Many people are now becoming aware of where their food comes from, and we all know that "sustainable" is the buzz-word of the moment. I definitely hear more of my friends and people I meet saying that they try to make conscious and considered decisions about eating meat, and doing so more sparingly.

Yeah. I think, maybe, in the future, all 15 year olds will be vegetarian. Just be glad that's the way your kid is rebelling against you. :)

I said and did alot of things at fifteen that are not in my belief system today. At that age you need to be idealistic to give hope to the notion you can change the world. I don't think we will all become vegetarians, but I am glad your daughter does, because we need a new, passionate generation to change the earth for the better!!

I don't know. Why did people start eating meat in the first place?

srhcb .. I think maybe it came with the discovery of fire. Barbeque time!!!! I go along with we will probable eat less meat, more fruits & veggies (local produce) I love vegetarian food, as long as it's served with a nice piece of meat : )

I disagree. There are many out there that regardless of the environment or what health "gurus" say they will eat a large amount of meat at every meal. Also, if everyone is going vegetarian why is McDonalds and Burger King doing so well. A restaurant in California just came out with an enormous burger that had a ridiculous amount of beef, cheese and condiments on it. If you remember eggs were the bad thing for awhile then it was alright to eat them, then they were bad again. I don't believe most of what the health "gurus" say because their answers one day get changed the next. I think the commercial for one of the meat companies has it right "Go Meat!"

a life without bacon? one cannot think... (i used to be vegan and scrapped it for bacon.)

also - I know plenty of teens that live off of french fries (with gravy) and junk food and call themselves vegetarians....I think the real issue is to educate kids and teens on food choices. French fries do not make you a vegetarian, just a poor eater. my mom used to run the local high school's cafeteria, so I have seen this so many times

RE: NanaJoie: "I think maybe (eating meat) came with the discovery of fire. Barbeque time!!!!"

You are in the august company of Mr Charles Lamb, who in 1823 wrote:

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/mf/elia1/pig.htm

"His sauce should be considered. Decidedly, a few bread crums, done up with his liver and brains, and a dash of mild sage. But, banish, dear Mrs. Cook, I beseech you, the whole onion tribe. Barbecue your whole hogs to your palate, steep them in shalots, stuff them out with plantations of the rank and guilty garlic; you cannot poison them, or make them stronger than they are -- but consider, he is a weakling -- a flower.


I don't think we will all become vegetarians, but I am glad your daughter does, because we need a new, passionate generation to change the earth for the better!!

Mich23 at 3:31PM on 01/27/08

I should have written more clearly, Mich23. My daughter does not want to be a vegetarian - but she sees some of the kids she knows posting that they are while she's aware that they definitely are not, plus she got a "friend request" from a guy who asked her if she was one and when she said no, his reply was "Well, you better get with the program, girl, because "in the future everyone will be a vegetarian". (She's heard that from other kids too . . .)

She does want to change the world for the better - but her way of approaching that will probably be to attend Parsons to design clothes that will make the world a better place. :)

srhcb, you're talking about the Pig, I guess. Great treatise.

I think in the future the wealthy will continue to eat as much meat as they want (and I can not see that most will want a whole lot less) and the middle-class will eat less as the crunch and separation into richer or poorer continues, as I think it will. In other words, I don't think it will be due to morals but more due to economics.

RE: Karen: Lamb's "Treatise on Roast Pig"

Yes, however, the Greek philosopher Porphyry, in an argument opposed to the eating of flesh which should be required reading for anyone researching for moral aspects of vegetarianism,

http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Porphyry2.html

gives us a strikingly similar account of "the origin of barbecue" albeit from a negative viewpoint:

"Asclepiades, in his treatise concerning Cyprus and Phoenicia, relates as follows:—In the first place, they did not sacrifice anything animated to the Gods; but neither was there any law pertaining to a thing of this kind, because it was prohibited by natural law. They are said, however, on a certain occasion, in which one soul was required for another, to have, for the first time, sacrificed a victim; and this taking place, the whole of the victim was then consumed by fire. But afterwards, when the victim was burnt, a portion of the flesh fell on the earth, which was taken by the priest, who, in so doing, having burnt his fingers, involuntarily moved them to his mouth, as a remedy for the pain which the burning produced. Having, therefore, thus tasted of the roasted flesh, he also desired to eat abundantly of it, and could not refrain from giving some of it to his wife. Pygmalion, however, becoming acquainted with this circumstance, ordered both the priest and his wife to be hurled headlong from a steep rock, and gave the priesthood to another person, who not long after performing the same sacrifice and eating the flesh of the victim, fell into the same calamities as his predecessor. The thing, however, proceeding still farther, and men using the same kind of sacrifice, and through yielding to desire, not abstaining from, but feeding on flesh, the deed was no longer punished."

What an excellent reference you've found, srhcb! A parable of original sin but with flesh rather than apple and a male priest's fingers rather than poor dear Eve who usually gets blamed for all of it.

I guess I'll have to pass this story on the MySpace kids.

Ha, ha!

"I don't know. Why did people start eating meat in the first place?" -srhcb

In the old days, your friendly local Hawai'ian god was an anthropology student. Old-time teacher said it happened because cooked meat was more palatable to hominids than raw; and ancestors (yours, not mine, as mine came from the heavens and from molten rock and from the water) were scavengers and the protein from meat was more responsible for human evolution than from veggies. One idea for explaining the dramatic increase in cranial capacity is that cooked meat entered the diet.

Old school professor also argued that human bodies (yours, not mine, as I am a friendly local god vice human being) have still not quite adopted to cooked meat. That was a harder argument to swallow, than, say, a Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

Can't wait for well-fed, superior-minded Westerners to shove vegetarianism down the throats of, say, poverty-stricken sub-Saharan Africans, who unfortunately are likely to be as hungry 100 years from now as they are now. And yes, friendly god is aware of the dessication of rare lands in places like Africa, Australia and Molokai from ranching.

I'd eat a vegetarian before I become one. Meat is just too good to not eat.

MySpace is full of followers. Seriously. It's a system based on finding as many followers (AKA friends) as you can. Gullible kids are going to find some trendy thing to latch on to. But it'll pass.

I think that for the most part (with many exceptions), vegetarianism runs in phases. High school and college students being the most classic example. I know lots of young people who are. And when I was a young person, many of my friends were. I am no longer a young person, and almost every one of my contemporaries within my work/social group eats, at the very least, fish. Vegetarianism is the diet of idealism.

Now, I grew up in a fairly strict ovo-lacto vegetarian household, and didn't even taste meat until I was 14 (and promptly fell in love). I have been eating it ever since. I guess that for me, rebellion took the form of nice, fat, juicy bacon cheeseburgers. My father, SUPER strict about such things, started eating meat when he was in his late 60's. But the fact is that Mr. I Don't Eat Anything With A Feast, is now chowing down on kaluah pig and fried chicken.

Again, I know that there are lots of exceptions, but within my own experience, that does seem to be how it works.

I am a vegetarian and to me, it's a lifestyle more than just a food choice. I would like to see more true vegetarians as this will help the food industry around the world see vegetarianism as a serious lifestyle choice, therefore having more alternatives more readily available.

I agree with mongoose that given the environment outlook and the increased importance on finding ways to better conserve our natural resources, that vegetarianism is, slowly but surely, gaining more practicioners.

I also believe vegetarianism feels to some people like a fad - it's cool to say you're a vegetarian - but in reality all they do is just not eat red meat or certain kind of meat... by definition, those are not vegetarians.

But what I find most interesting is how threatened meat-eaters feel every time they face the idea of vegetarianism. It's not just on this thread, but I encounter with this in my everyday dealings... they all feel the need to justify their eating habits and criticize any opposing view, as if anyone is forcing them change their ways... i think they feel deep down inside they should be doing soemthing different... kind of like guilty conscience...

Kudos to you for keeping up with what your kid is doing on myspace. Myspace profiles should be viewed with a grain of salt anyway, since many users feel it's ok to lie on their profiles, whether it's regarding weight, income, or age.

We may very well end up being cannibals.

Tell her Soylent Green is humans!!!!

Karen- Well, I give your daughter credit then for not succumbing to peer pressure. By the way, I was a dress designer for 30 years. I left the industry 2 years ago, when I decided I needed to throw my creativity into a different ring. I took a baking course at the New School in NYC, and have been baking ever since. I have been trying to find a way to have a career with my new found love, but can't find a good spot for me. If your daughter wants any advice, let me know in this thread. I will be more than happy to oblige.

To MadelynRodriguez

I don't feel threatened by vegetarians. I don't have to justify my eating habits. If we were having lunch together and it would offend you that I ate meat then I would eat a vegetarian meal as to not upset another. But, I love steak and crab and will devour them at any time of any day. I don't feel that I need to change or do something different. Nor is there any guilty conscience about it. The more the better.

Back when I was a young lass, it was equally fashionable to go vegetarian. From age 13-19, I ate macaroni and cheese, grilled cheese sandwiches, french fries with mustard and ketchup and the occasional iceberg lettuce salad. Young metabolism is a beautiful thing that allows us to eat any fool thing without negative consequences until we reach a certain age. Youthful ideals are also beautiful things that allow us to believe that eating total crap (but not meat) makes us morally superior. I was totally guilty of trying to assert my independence by following the pack! I should call my parents and thank them for being so patient with a teenager who was clearly devoid of logic.

For us college students, going pretty much vegetarian isn't necessarily a choice, rather a necessity. You can either choose to make your own salad, being able to inspect each veggie for its "apparent freshness" or eat the unidentified meat in sauce or the soup that was probably made with yesterday's leftover sauced meat.

If we're thinking about the question in global terms, it's worth considering the argument that Barbara Kingsolver makes in her recent book Animal, Vegetable, Miracle. Animals have been domesticated. The deed's been done. If we don't collect the eggs and milk the cows, we're going to do harm to those animals. And then what will we do? Throw away protein-rich foodstuffs in the name of "sustainability?" Now THAT would really make sense. Animals that are humanely and sustainably raised and pastured (like those of the farmer Joel Salatin at Polyface Farm, cited in Michael Pollan's Omnivore's Dilemma) help the soil and crops, and contribute to a sustainable, symbiotic food system. And it's far more economically viable to raise food this way. It doesn't mean that we have to be over-consumers of meat -- moderation in all things is the best policy. But it would be merely foolish to assume that the entire world will begin to ignore existing food sources in order to become vegetarians.

Ironically in all of these discussions regarding giving up meat because of environmental concerns, no one discusses what the large 'factory farming' vegetable producers, like Con Agra, ADM and the like, are doing to the environment with their farming policies. Chemicals anyone?

No way will "everyone" be vegetarian. Excluding those who eschew meat as part of religious culture, vegetarianism's popularity definitely waxes and wanes in traditionally omnivorous cultures. I know more recovering vegans than I do people who never tried vegetarianism.

Nearly every species of primate eats animal protein. If we weren't meant to do so, we wouldn't require certain nutrients that can only be obtained from them. Humans are not evolved to be vegan. We are biologically designed to require consumption of at least small amounts of animal-sourced food. I'm not necessarily talking about huge slabs of giant beasts that require a large group of men or advanced weapons to bring down. But certainly anything that can be scavenged (bone marrow, anyone?), gathered (eggs, babies, bugs), or taken down with very simple tools (thrown rocks, clubs) or hand- caught relatively easily (fish, crustaceans, flightless birds, reptiles).

It's interesting, don't you think, that the types of animal-sourced foods regarded as most healthful are pretty much all things that a single human can learn to obtain without sophisticated tools?

People's love of animal protein and fat is not learned. It's programmed.

A few thoughts:
1. Teens tend to use superlatives a lot and exaggerate a lot. "Everyone will be vegetarian" appears to be a case of this.

2. Teens follow fads.

3. Teens have their own buzz words and phrases.

Do I think everyone will be vegetarian? No. I think there's a growing number of vegetarians because of animal right issues and environmental issues but also as the world population rises trend numbers for just about everything rise (if you look at stats that are straight numbers).

Nice that the fad is something healthy. "Stop eating meat or start using hard drugs?" Easy decision to make. I'd prefer vegetarianism to certain fashion fads too. :D (Are teenage boys still wearing baggy pants with their underwear showing?)

I do eat meat - but I also eat vegetarian meals more than 4 days a week. I think that our world changes, both in terms of population and climate change, we need to be prepared for changes in diet.
Most people on earth don't eat meat every day.... and the American propensity for beef is terribly hard on the rainforests (hello, understatement.) I do think, therefore, that because of cost and availability, there will be a lot more people eating vegetables (think grains and beans etc...) as a mainstay of their diet in the coming years.
That is not a bad thing for the environment or for human health.
Why all the angst?

I'm certainly no vegetarian but as I've gotten older I find myself only eating red meat several times a month. In general I think society is eating meat less and less for a number of reasons, environmental, societal, whatever.
As far as teens go, hey it's like the thing to do, I guess.

I think not. There is a logger that I encounter daily who reminds me of the character "Paul Bunyon". I just can't see him ordering up a plate of Tofu anything. I myself am a veggie lover and raised veggie loving kids. But, we do love our beef, chicken, fish, etc. I could go all veggie. Just, bring on the cheese!

There is no way this will happen.

1) As a Chef i know of too many people who love the meats.

2) This is where everyone gets confused too. We say meats and we automatically think BEEF, but meat means PROTEIN, that is fish and all seafoods, chicken, weal, lamb, goat, multiple forms of wild game.

3) If this were to ever happen we would see it coming a lot more advanced because of certain vitamins and enzymes we can only get from meats, red meat in particular, and though there are some supplements out there to help there is nothing that is a full complex yet.

So if this were to happen, it would not be widespread vegetarianism, it would become what a lot of other countries already are, and that is you eat what is near you. Me being in Florida gets a lot of beef and seafoods. I think that means i would have it made.

Oh man I hope not!!! I couldn't live without pork.

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