What is your secret to great spaghetti and meatballs?
For a meat sauce or spaghetti and meat balls.....do you make a quick sauce or simmer for hours. Do you cook the meat balls in the sauce, or saute or oven roast first? I haven't mastered it yet, although I've tried at least once a week for many years. My sauce and meatballs do not taste like the best I've had in Italian restaurants. "Gravy" and meatball help please?
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21 Comments:
gravy it is.
for meatballs and gray you want to simmer for hours. my grandma used to have it on the stove by the time we got up in the morning on sundays. for the meatballs use a mix of pork and beef and brown them first. just a quick fry will do they'll cook through in the gravy.
VerasTastyFreeze at 12:38PM on 12/12/07
You DEFINITELY have to simmer for at least a couple of hours, on extremely low heat. I use a combination of Contadina stewed tomatoes, tomato paste, and tomato sauce, with water, italian seasoning, garlic powder, pepper, and brown sugar. My Italian grandma's secret weapon was to brown a good piece of pork with the bone in, and add it with the simmering sauce and meatballs. If desired, you can remove the pork when the simmering is finished, and shred to include in the sauce.
savecara at 12:51PM on 12/12/07
I use a 2 / 1 mixture of ground beef and hot Italian sausage for the meatballs. I brown them off in the pot I use for the gravy, drain excess fat, add several very thinly sliced cloves of garlic, sweat and deglaze with red wine. Then add a couple of cans of san marzano tomatoes just broken up with my hands. Simmer at least 3 hours. Longer if you have time. You want the pot to just bloop, bloop, bloop. A simple salad and a loaf of great bread. A Wonderful Sunday supper.
Colorado Jim at 1:04PM on 12/12/07
For my sauce I use a combinaton of meats; veal neck bones, beef short rib(s), boneless pork ribs, italian sausage (mild), and meatballs (made with ground beef, veal and pork). You saute all your meat and meatballs in the pot your making the sauce in. You then take the meat out. Drain off some of the grease (leave back about enough to fry the onions) Put the onion in. When they are half sweated put in the garlic and tomato paste, fry this up. Deglaze wth some red wine one you would drink. Next throw in your tomatoes. If I am not using my tomatoes, I will use the local italian brand. 3-4 2lb. cans. When I can find San Marzano I buy them but I do not make them the total component. Some crushed, some puree, passata or pomidori pilati if I have whole tomatoes I put them in the blender and pulverize them.
Next add in basil, pinch oregano, salt and pepper, pepper flakes.
Bring it to a slow boil. If it is too thick thin with some water. Drop it to simmer. Then throw back in the meat. Stir this often after the first twenty minutes drop to low. I usually simmer this for 2 hours. No real time just taste. Taste it. Re-season right before you serve. Good grated cheese is important.
JerzeeTomato at 1:52PM on 12/12/07
I'll second JerzeeTomato's entire suggestion (which sounds SCRUMPTIOUS), but I'll offer up my modification of the same-ish recipe just for kicks.
I always add carrots and celery to the onions, because I like my sauce more on the "peasant-style" side: chunky and with lots of veggies. Also, I add a little bit of heavy cream (about half a cup) and about four tablespoons of butter while it's simmering. Not the healthiest dish in the world, but it gives the sauce a little bit of creaminess that people can't ever put their finger on. It's really delicious.
sheeats at 2:28PM on 12/12/07
I don't ever make spaghetti and meatballs. Meatballs and the resulting ragu are really best served with short pasta like penne, mostaccioli, farfalle and ziti. Jerzee's sauce sounds awesome but try serving it with one of the above pastas! You'll never look back.
Now, for spaghetti, I make the following:
Spaghetti and Pepperoni
2 Tbsp. Olive oil
2-6 cloves garlic chopped (as much as you want)
1 small onion, diced
2 28 Oz. Can Crushed tomatoes or Petite Diced
1 7 Oz. can Tomato Paste
1 stick Pepperoni
1 tsp. dry basil
1/2 tsp. dry oregano
Peel pepperoni. Run a paring knife down the side of the stick and peel off the protective coating. Cut pepperoni into circles about 1/4" thick. Set aside.
In a saucepan large enough to hold all sauce ingredients, heat the olive oil over medium heat. Saute the onion and garlic till soft but not brown. Add the tomatoes, paste and 2 tomato paste cans of water to the saucepan. Stir to combine. Add the pepperoni circles, oregano and basil. Lower to a simmer and cook 1 hour. Taste and adjust seasoning with S&P but I doubt you'll need either. Pepperoni is both salty and peppery enough!
Goes great with garlic bread and a salad.
chiff0nade at 3:07PM on 12/12/07
Not really a secret, but Italian-American restaurants serve meatballs on top of spaghetti while Italians serve meatballs as bar food (Venice), in soup, or as a main dish, without pasta. There are elaborate dishes, too, including timbales that someone here has mentioned and even tiny meatballs w rice, chicken livers, etc.
Cook's Illustrated offered great advice a while back on making light meatballs. Soak FRESH bread crumbs--made by processing or finely crumbling crustless white bread--in buttermilk or plain yogurt w a dot of whole milk.
There are countless ways of flavoring them to complement different sauces, including various mixtures and proportions of meats that you can grind yourself. Add minced prosciutto or crumbled bacon, if you'd like. I prefer using a single herb, such as fresh marjoram with ground veal, minced garlic and grated Pecorino. Currants, pine nuts and minced parsley. For new ideas, check the internet for "polpette", including Italian web sites that offer recipes in English.
Eliz. at 3:30PM on 12/12/07
My grandmothers both came from the old country one as a child and one as a 19 year old professional chef. They served meatballs with the pasta because (SURVEY SAYS) we liked eating them together. Of course they did not come from Venice. One came from North Italy and one came from South Italy. chiff is correct my sauce is a ragu and is best served with short pasta. Mea Culpa when someone says spaghetti my brain hears pasta. Spaghetti here is No. 8 and I serve my sauce with it as well (thin it out just a bit more for long pasta). Make the sauce is large quantity it freezes well.
JerzeeTomato at 4:28PM on 12/12/07
As a Jersey native, I will second JerzeeTomato's recipe; it's almost identical to what I do. I will also second chiff0nade's point about short pasta with a sugo - spaghetti needs a finer sauce, otherwise you get chunks o'sauce, then pasta (they don't integrate well) AND, I would second Eliz's suggestion about bread crumbs - without them, your meatballs need to be REALLY fatty to avoid being dry. And since I mostly cook with wild game (I made an antelope ragu like this just yesterday), breadcrumbs are key.
Sheeats' recipe is a Bolognese, which is great, but it's not the "red sauce" or "gravy" you'll see in the old-style Italian joints.
HunterAnglerGardenerCook at 4:37PM on 12/12/07
I'm not Italian, but live in a VERY Italian town in northern NJ, and one thing I learned quickly is to buy the 'meatloaf mix' (that's what they call it) in my local supermarket. Equal parts ground beef, pork, and veal. I never made such great meatballs, meat sauce (ragu?) or meatloaf until I discovered that secret! Ground beef is just dry and tasteless in comparison.
Curlz at 8:52PM on 12/12/07
I am not Italian, but for years have made what I thought were decent enough meatballs and sauce for my family. I am ashamed to say it involved very un-Italian techniques - first you open the jar of sauce, and so on.
But recently I followed the recipe for meatballs in Cooks Illustrated, and was blown away by how awesome the results were. Amazing. My husband looked up from his plate and said (for the first time in years), "
Hey. These are really good."
So my advice is to try that recipe - the meatballs truly are wonderful.
moibec at 10:34PM on 12/12/07
Thanks so much to all for the advice. I like my beef/pork/veal meatballs, but they seem most tender when I put them raw into the "gravy". I have also added Itallian sausage, but it never occurred to me to add any of the other meats mentioned. I've tried all different brands and types of canned tomatoes, and none have seemed just right. I've mixed puree' with diced, drained and seeded whole tomatoes and roasted them, etc., etc. I always start with olive oil, onions, garlic, pepper flakes, sometimes green pepper (because I like the taste - I've never seen it in any recipe), tomato paste, tomatoes, red wine, seasonings. I tried a bit of sugar, but it made the sauce sweet - even a pinch. It looks like my number one mistake was using thin spaghetti - my favorite. Can't wait to try your suggestions.
PerkyMac at 11:12PM on 12/12/07
How about the pasta? If you serve a wonderful homemade gravy or sauce, if you prefer, for goodness sake don't ruin it with crummy pasta!! There is no substitute for fresh pasta. I don't care what brand it is or how expensive. Pasta makers are out there both manual and automatic. Also, fresh pasta takes literally 2 or 3 minutes to cook. Please don't spend hours simmering the sauce and then dumping it over boxed pasta!!!
RichardCrystal at 9:15AM on 12/13/07
I am all about the addition of other meats ( like pork but also LAMB), but I shy away from the long cooked sauces. I like the fresher flavors of quickly sauteed chunky tomatoes with tons of garlic, olive oil, and fresh basil. I roast/ braise the meatballs seperatly in a bit of wine and stock, have them as the main item of the plate and accompany with the fresh sauce on quickly blanched fresh pasta, or dried orchiette.
I guess this would be a more 'pan-mediteranian' approach.
coolname at 9:43AM on 12/13/07
Inspired by all of this fun discussion, I made some bolognese last night and took a bunch of pictures as I went. The pictures and recipe that I loosely follow each time are here. I'm not a very good food photographer, but it was fun anyway. :)
sheeats at 1:15PM on 12/13/07
One more thing - I never use bread crumbs in my meatballs. I use moistened actual bread. It ensures a tender meatball.
chiff0nade at 3:21PM on 12/13/07
I add some of the tomato sauce TO the meat before forming the meatballs (instead of milk) Makes the meatballs super-tasty.
snkw64 at 3:46PM on 12/13/07
I do a beef/veal/pork mixture (straight ground pork and I spice it myself). I use homemade garlic crostini breadcrumbs that I pulse until it is almost powder in the meatballs and I add an egg and a touch of cream. My gravy is ALOT of fresh romas peeled and seeded and chopped with some onion, crush garlic, minced italian flat leaf parsley, oregano, basil and a splash (or 5 hehehe) of Merlot.
I put this on the stove in a stock pot and add in two whole stalks of celery, two large carrots cut in half and a green pepper that I have seeded and quartered. These are only there to impart flavor to the gravy.... I remove them later when I am ready to dump the gravy. I let it simmer for at least a couple hours, until the gravy is nice and thick.
My meatballs... I dredge each quickly in a little salt and pepper flour then quickly fry up the outsides in an olive oil and butter mixture then put them together in a large lasagne pan evenly spaced. I take my gravy that has been simmering and I pour it over the top (they should be swimming in sauce) and then I finish them off with an oven roast.
I make my meatballs huge and really they are a meal all by themselves. But I tend to like the short noodles as someone else already mentioned.
kcline at 4:27PM on 12/13/07
I bake the meatballs in a covered glass bowl with a little water in the bottom at 375 degrees for 35 minutes. I saw it on Easy Entertaining on Food Network and tried it. They are the best meatballs I have ever eaten. I won't go back to the frying pan.
I use bread crumbs in the mix and also roll them in olive oil and bread crumbs before putting them in the pan. I will add a few fennel seeds to the mix sometimes along with the usual egg, parsley, salt, pepper, garlic, basil, onions, parmesan.
eatorama at 6:52PM on 12/13/07
How to make the gravy not taste like that bottled crap.
I fry the meatballs before they take their bath. Then I fry the paste in the fond and residual drippings until it is dark red. After dumping the fried paste into the gravy I deglaze the pan with with red wine and add to the gravy.
For a long simmered gravy San Marzano tomatoes are not necessary. I use good old South Jersey Cento products.
http://cento.com/main.html
rockhopper at 5:40PM on 12/14/07
My mouth is watering. So many great ideas. I learned recently that Muir Glen is in PA, and now that Cento is in S. Jersey - where I used to live. I have been trying to buy only whole tomatoes from Italy, but Cook's Illustrated recommended against them - they have fewer tomatoes, due to import laws.
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays and thanks to all who contributed.
PerkyMac at 6:46PM on 12/14/07