What do cookbooks leave out?
For years, I couldn't make crispy potatoes in the oven, then figured out that I had to rinse and dry them first. No cookbook mentioned this. I am probably complicit in this problem, as I have edited many cookbooks. What have you figured out on your own that books didn't tell you?
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18 Comments:
There are a few cooking science books that really help with those kitchen "ahas" -- Robert Wolke's books are good, Alton Brown's are helpful, as is Shirley Corriher's "Cookwise."
Also, Cook's Illustrated magazine isn't afraid to do things in an unorthodox way, and that helps to find new/better ways of accomplishing kitchen tasks.
Dominic
the zen kitchen
dvchurch at 10:54PM on 08/17/07
Yes, they are good sources, but my question was "What did you figure out on your own?"
Barbara Hanson at 11:32PM on 08/17/07
My experimentation often teaches me more about what doesn't work than what does :-)
The point I was trying to make before, perhaps unclearly, was that good cookbooks will help you to reproduce recipes AND teach you techniques that can help you out later on -- creating a personal inventory of culinary experiences (real or vicarious) through which you can improvise with more success.
Certainly you didn't "invent" the rinsing of the potatoes technique -- almost any good cookbook will instruct you to do that to make decent french fries. You applied that technique to your "oven fries." In fact, Cook's Illustrated uses your exact procedure in their recipe for oven fries (January 2004).
So my real answer is that I don't believe that I've figured anything out on my own -- more that the sum of my reading and experiences leads me in the right direction. But I am nowhere near creative enough to claim anything as mine alone -- I merely ad lib on what has been done before.
Can you stumble on to a technique? Sure -- but more often than not, your brain is recalling something you've seen or read before. Sorry to get all neuro-philosophical on what should have been an easy topic to respond to :-)
Dominic
the zen kitchen
dvchurch at 12:13AM on 08/18/07
Never claimed to "invent" anything. I do have some knowledge, however, and figured out on my own to wash off the surface starch and pat them dry. If you haven't figured anything out on your own, you haven't had nearly enough failures!
And I'll thank you to leave my brain alone! ;-)
Barbara Hanson at 12:36AM on 08/18/07
They don't tell me that the recipes mostly haven't been tested these days.
lemons at 12:37AM on 08/18/07
As a sometime cookbook editor I can tell you to a certainty that cookbook recipes aren't tested, although, thankfully, magazine recipes are. In the end, they have more at stake.
Barbara Hanson at 12:38AM on 08/18/07
I spend my working hours as a teacher in the public education system and my philosophical roots there are in the realm of an often underutilized system of teaching called "errorless learning." In other words, I don't aim to fail :-) I'd rather do a ton of research and get it right the first time.
I agree that it's not a directly creative way of doing things, but I liken it to how I learned to play jazz (I'm a music teacher) -- I learned the scales, the chords, some of the solos from the masters -- then I started branching out on my own. You can learn jazz without knowing fundamentals, but it's easier when you have that base knowledge.
Anyway, I apologize for running a brain scan on you :-) I trust that you came upon your technique through trial and error -- I would just venture to guess that most people "figure things out" by accessing prior knowledge.
dvchurch at 12:49AM on 08/18/07
I'll try and get back to the topic (somewhat). Your topic asked "what do cookbooks leave out?" I hate it when cookbooks fail to include weights for ingredients in baked goods. At least let me know what your cup of flour weighs -- 3.5, 4, 5 ounces -- or even better, how many grams? Most books leave that sort of thing out.
I "figured out" that in order to consistently reproduce recipes, weighing ingredients is a necessity. Otherwise your chocolate chip cookies could be dry one day and chewy the next!
Dominic
the zen kitchen
dvchurch at 12:53AM on 08/18/07
It would be nice if more books suggested other menu items that complement the recipe offered. I often plan the menus for the coming week and my shopping list emanates from that Meal planning is a nice adjunct to any general subject book
I have a habit of planning my meals based on color. Brown meat or a red sauce cries out for something green and a dish with white potatoes or rice is, to me. better served without other white additions.
A green and a yellow vegetable on a plate are more attractive, and better balanced than two green ones. A bit of guidance for the inexperienced would be helpful.
suegsf at 1:36AM on 08/18/07
Baha,
Maybe you're not using the right cookbooks... I just checked the new Joy, and both their Oven French-Fried Potatoes and Never-Fail French Fries say to soak the potatoes in water first.
I edit cookbooks as well, and I don't think that we are necessarily complicit in "leaving things out." It's just that cookbooks are written (and edited) for different audiences. Some books (and magazines) are for the new-to-the-kitchen types, or those who want or need everything spelled out exactly. Other books assume a certain amount of cooking knowledge (many chefs' books, for example), so that every time you steam something you can simply say "Steam until tender," instead of "Place the vegetables in a steamer basket. Place the basket in a saucepan over 1 inch of water. Cover, place over high heat, and steam until...."
And Lemons, you're right, it's almost criminal how recipes in many books are just not tested... at all. So it's left up to us editors to notice something and say, "Umm, I don't think those scones are going to get done if you bake them at 300 degrees for just 20 minutes." And of course, we don't catch everything.
Dee at 8:19AM on 08/18/07
PS: I use Mario's technique for absolutely WONDERFUL fool-proof roasted potatoes (from Molto Italiano):
Cut potatoes into 1-inch cubes, then boil in water for 2 minutes. Drain well and toss with unpeeled garlic cloves ,olive oil, salt, and pepper (and herbs, if you want). Roast at 425F for about 30 minutes. (Do not use peeled garlic cloves -- trust me, they'll just burn. The unpeeled cloves impart great garlic flavor, and you can squeeze out the innards for an extra treat.)
And BTW, speaking of editing cookbooks, that recipe has something that got by the editors... It says to use "1 bunch rosemary, leaves finely chopped" Potato-flavored rosemary, anyone?
Dee at 8:27AM on 08/18/07
Dee, given my profession, I have an exhaustive--or perhaps exhausting--collection of cookbooks. I wish I could withdraw the initial question, as it seems to be focusing on my own lack of knowledge and shortcomings--not a great way to start the weekend. I guess I'll just have to post questions in the realm of "How do you like your toast?"
Barbara Hanson at 9:10AM on 08/18/07
BaHa,
I'm not sure if this counts [but, I'll give it my best shot].
-Something I figured out on my own [trial and error and whatnot] was to rise/raise[?] my bread in a covered 8-quart pan and put my pan in a sink full of warm water to help encourage my dough to rise a wee bit faster. Simply plopping dough in a bowl with a wet towel never did the trick for me. Perhaps many folks have success with the towel-covered-bowl method but that just never worked for me [hence, the reason I eventually improvised).:)
cheffy at 9:13AM on 08/18/07
BaHa,
I certainly did not intend to "focus on your own lack of knowledge and shortcomings" and am truly sorry if that is the way I came across.
Dee at 10:00AM on 08/18/07
this doesnt apply to cookbooks so much as articles and tv shows, whats up with making my mouth water for something simple and then not giving any weights or measures? Yes the recipe is simple but do I roast at a low or high temp ackkkkkkkk! If you're going to tease then at least give me guidlines on how to please!!!
huney_bumper at 10:19AM on 08/18/07
Baha
Here I am to make you feel better if you go to Ina Garten's website http://www.barefootcontessa.com/qna.html
she lists the things she left out. She does say in interviews that writing cooking is harder than doing it.
My (hero worship) fav baker Rose Birnbaum also has a similar FAQ
http://www.realbakingwithrose.com/cookbooks/roses_books/
this one has corrections to her recipes. Her webpage allows you to ask her questions because it is needed.
Anyone who uses cookbooks (looking sternly at some of you) knows that method and the mastering are not mutually exclusive.
I can honestly tell you that even with my own recipes I do not always convey well in written word. Food for thought.
JerzeeTomato at 12:06PM on 08/18/07
I haven't had a lot of problems with cookbooks leaving out steps...probably just dumb luck...
One thing I'd like to see more cookbooks include is data on calories, fat, carbs, etc. per serving of each recipe. Even if it's not a "diet" cookbook. For example, my copy of The New Better Homes and Garden cookbook has this data for each recipe. It's helpful stuff to know as I'm trying to lose weight through moderation in my diet.
Amandarama at 3:11PM on 08/20/07
Most cookbooks do not really tell you the correct temperature to stop cooking at. A lot of them rely on USDA charts. USDA recommends that steaks should be cooked to 145 for medium rare. If I cooked a steak to 145 I probably wouldn't want to eat it as it would be a lot closer to medium well than medium rare. Some cookbooks, like Boby Flay's Grilling for Life, give you the real temps, with a disclaimer of course.
EatWisconsin at 4:22PM on 08/20/07