Do you know where your meat really comes from?
Factory farms and industrial feedlots are polluting the earth and our bodies. Do you know who raised your meat and how they did it? What are your favorite sources for 'ethical' protein? Are you willing to chose the 'vegetarian option' over 'commodities meat?'
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24 Comments:
When I buy meat at the supermarket, no, and I do think about it and it is a bit scary. I was shocked to see that fish at my supermarket (tilapia fillets) come from FREEKIN CHINA!!! That's nuts. I was equally amazed that they were labeled as such, thank goodness for increased regulation.
Recently I have been trying to buy from better purveyors. It's more expensive, but you know where it's from and what it was fed, and that it was raised cleanly and sometimes even humanely. That stuff is important to me so I'm willing to pay more for it.
I almost never consider vegetarian over meat simply on these grounds, unless the only meat option is some obviously super-industrial hockey puck that was pressure washed off a carcass and squeegeed off the floor and packed into burger or tube shape in a hydraulic press, flash frozen and trucked cross country in a diesel smoke spewing big-rig by a crystal meth addicted psychopathic pedophile with road rage. Then I might pass it up.
The thing is though, if a place sells cheap and irresponsibly produced meat, usually the veggie options will either be inedible too or simply nonexistant. Good (in all aspects) veggies are more often than not harder to find than good meat.
seyo at 10:45AM on 08/30/07
Nope, I don't think about it. And nope, I don't at all consider vegetarianism as I don't believe it's good for the body to lack the nutrients provided by meats, poultry, etc. And Lord knows I can't stand tofu [sh-sh-sh-shiver!]
LunaPierCook at 11:05AM on 08/30/07
My motto is, if you can't meet it, you shouldn't eat it. Anyone too squeamish not to witness the slaughter has no right to eat the creature once it's been killed. Toddlers on farms know exactly that the roast chicken they are eating was just the other day pecking in the backyard. I try to get my meat from respectful free range places as much as possible. And yeah, when I can't, I go the vegetarian route.
spanklin at 11:49AM on 08/30/07
My motto is what is in the Wegmans is good eating. I love love love meat. If you don't want to eat it don't. Believe me no one is forcing you. I never propose to tell anyone what they can and cannot eat. As to what I have the right to eat, is no one's business either. I have never and never will be a vegetarian.
JerzeeTomato at 12:15PM on 08/30/07
I am a vegetarian, although I do eat seafood occasionally (when the veggie options are not appetizing or nonexistant). I haven't eaten other meats for 5 years now, so I'm a little scared to try any, even those from humanely raised and slaughtered animals. But if I ever get over my instinct to not eat it, I think I wouldn't have a problem eating meat if I knew exactly where it came from. I sometimes feel like I'm missing out on some of the best parts of cooking and eating by limiting my diet like this, so I'm actually seriously thinking about trying to eat meat again. It'll probably take some time to get used to though
ChristineB at 12:49PM on 08/30/07
There are deffinatly some strong feelings on this topic. I would love to hear more.
coolname at 1:04PM on 08/30/07
@Jerzee:
The issue isn't whether or not you should eat meat, but where does that meat come from, what impact does it have on the environment and our society. The fact is that factory farming is awful as described above. It's very polluting and bad for the environment, the animals are mistreated, they are fed low quality foods resulting in less nutritious food, the meat is then trucked for many miles to get to your market. You're missing the point.
seyo at 1:08PM on 08/30/07
Apathetic, selfish, overpriveledged, "I don't care where it comes from as long it tastes good" consumption thinking is precisely why the world is becoming inhabitable for humans and other life in general. Viruses behave the same way; devour till gone. If someone's eating habits are making the temperature rise, poisoning the waters, wiping out biodiversity, expanding poverty in developing nations and generally making living on this planet more difficult, then yes, absolutely, people interested in keeping the planet habitible have the absolute right to tell others what they should or should not consume. Don't be lazy or guilty of ruining the world simply because those cheesesteaks taste so yummy.
spanklin at 1:48PM on 08/30/07
A quick story on 'the vegitarian option':
My wife and I were at a wedding last month. We got in the buffet line and at the end I spied the infamous 'rainbow roast beef.' We looked at each other, then the frozen-mixed vegatables and said 'go heavy on the veg.'
So salad, cauliflower/carrots/broccoli, and rolls it was. I simply can't bring myself to eat that kind of protein. Not only because of the enviromental factors but also because it is just BAD. I like meat but I choose to draw a line. For me meat is an occasional and often pricey indulgence.
coolname at 2:45PM on 08/30/07
Sadly, the veggies you ate were most likely grown and processed just as irresponsibly (fertilizers, pesticides, freezing, trucking). Personally, I would have eaten the beef, because it was probably better tasting than the veggies. But I understand your point and agree that things need to change.
seyo at 4:13PM on 08/30/07
We have been getting a good bit of our chicken and pork (both "free-range") -- and eggs -- from local purveyors here in western Pa., and some beef, which is grass-fed. The chicken and pork are fantastic, best I've ever had hands down. Grass-fed ground beef is good but far less fatty. Grass-fed steaks are definitely a bit gamier and also leaner (and far more healthy), so that's something to prepare with a good chimmichurri or coated with lots of spices and herbs. Otherwise, we buy most of of our beef at Whole Foods, which has a fairly stringent and strong program for ensuring that they deal with purveyors who meet stringent quality, safety, and environmental guidelines. We occasionally must buy chicken and beef from the local grocery store, but choose their "Nature's Basket" brand, which is hormone/antibiotic-free, and, my understanding is, partially grass fed.
Fillippelli the Cook at 4:16PM on 08/30/07
I was a vegetarian for about 5 years, due in large part to my having lost my taste for beef. I assumed, and why not, that it was simply my issue. Cut to about 5 years ago, and I discovered that beef is delicious. But very little of what gets produced is, so now I specifically search for breed-specific, naturally raised beef. 30 years ago, this wasn't a big deal, and beef tasted better, but with the conglomeration of the industry, quality has given way to quantity. The reasons for this are economic and political, but here is not the place. Just be aware that your steak from Stop & Shop is the same steak as your local butcher's, which is the same steak that you buy at the Capital Grille, etc. ad naseum. The very same steak.
zapatista at 4:22PM on 08/30/07
Not the grass fed free range dry aged prime from that I get from my butcher. That aint no stop-n-shop steak. Supermarket steak can come from thousands of miles away, mine is hundreds. Just a little easier on the old conscience, if not (actually definitely not) the wallet.
seyo at 5:06PM on 08/30/07
Judging from their website (and thanks for the link) they seem to be an upscale butcher shop that wet and dry ages in house. That doesn't mean that they aren't selling you beef from Cargill, Contigroup, Smithfield, National or Tyson and their many, many branded programs. Also, if you are buying prime beef, then there is no way that it comes from free-range, grass-fed steer. It more than likely comes from a feedlot owned by one of the aforementioned corporations, probably corn-finished in Greeley, Colorado. And the steakhouses mentioned in the copy on the site's prime page all serve commodity beef from the aforementioned corporations as well - with the exception of the Old Homestead who tried to serve a higher quality product for a little while until they could no longer afford to do so.
Possibly the shop sells grain finished angus from a growers' cooperative in Maine, as does Lobel's (although not exclusively), which is a better product. You should ask.
zapatista at 5:34PM on 08/30/07
I'm sorry to see this thread turn into a polemic. We can offer persuasive arguments, but there is no profit in attacking others' choices.
I try to buy ethically; I deplore factory farms; I have seen animals killed and it doesn't please me, but I also believe that it's no prettier when a lion rips apart a gazelle; I try to cut down on meat consumption purely for health reasons; I can't always afford the nobler path but oh my do I love meat. I once saw a bumper sticker: "If God Didn't Want Us to Eat Animals, Then Why Did He Make Them Out of Meat"? I couldn't even be kosher, since I could never ever ever give up pork.
But I respect the wishes and inclinations of my friends, and I *always* check with dinner guests to see what their food requirements are and then make an entire dinner that takes all of those requirements into consideration, so no one has to deal with food on another's plate that they wouldn't want on their own.
klg19 at 5:35PM on 08/30/07
Their black board states that the beef is from free range and grass fed cattle and also names the farms where they're from. I can't remember where, but they seemed local-ish (ie surrounding states such as PA). The next time I'm there I'll ask.
seyo at 5:42PM on 08/30/07
I would be cautious of beef from supermarkets (even whole foods) claiming all natural. Many times this meat has only been 'off the sauce' for a short time prior to harvesting.
The myriad of choices of what to eat really can make being a responsible consumer difficult. Thankfully we have places like this to share info. and experiences. I would be gratefull for more people's thoughts and insights.
coolname at 5:43PM on 08/30/07
We have been vegetarians in the past, then changed and ate all meats that tasted good to us. But we are somewhat returning to our former state as it is getting harder to purchase locally (our state or the next one to us) grown, organic, free range chickens. Fish comes from the local fishermen, etc. There is one remaining pork company available to us that doesn't have "18-20% water added", I truly resent paying for a product of unknown origin with 20% water added so that I actually pay even more for taking the chance, so we are almost not eating pork. I like nothing more than a medium rare steak, but those are getting harder to come by in our location.
So we are back to being more and more vegetarian in our meals, and we are probably better off for it.
dmzapp at 9:05PM on 08/30/07
Similarly, I recently made the switch back to meat. Just to lighten it up a bit, I've been having lots of fun with it. I feel really gleeful when I order meat or my roommate grills up some chicken. I was just going to eat only "ethical" meat, but sometimes it's important to relax. I eat it in great moderation, therefore I don't feel bad about getting a carnitas burrito every once in a while with god knows what kind of pork!
I think that if I buy it for cooking at home, I'll stick to the farmer's market. But as long as it's in great moderation, I've decided not to be too stringent on my meat consumption.
Littlebluesiren at 11:23PM on 08/30/07
i dont want to know. knowing too much and thinking about eating isn't really that appetising at all.
xxoos at 7:27AM on 08/31/07
The majority of our red meat comes from the woods approx 7 miles from our home. My husband is an avid hunter and we are able to live off venison for the majority of the year. So we do know where it came from and how it was processed. However, we still buy chicken, pork and the occasional t-bone steak from the grocery store.
hammondcheese at 7:56AM on 08/31/07
Part of the problem with McDonalds and all fast food restaurants really, is that the meat source is so unidentifiable! Your one hamburger could have meat from like 18 different cows and you just don't know!
Hillary
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Chew on That at 2:08PM on 08/31/07
i would love to have 2 oz. of meat from like 18 different cows along with 1 oz. of meat from like 10 different hogs, 2 eggs from like 2 hens, mushrooms from like 8 different plants and 3 large onions from like 2 different onion plants. what a great meat loaf.
olddad at 8:51PM on 08/31/07
I live in PA. We have lots of corporate farming. It's big business is PA. There are a few local, organic meat farmers. They sell their stuff in Lancaster or the Food Coop in Delaware and when given the choice as I did 2 weeks ago I chose the "buy local" option in order to support the local farm community. You may be correct thought, I may be a virus. When I see meat that looks good in Wegman's or Costco, I will buy it. I take it home and serve it with very little thought. This is a personal choice I have made. Whether it is personal, selfsh, or any other thing (Apathetic, selfish, overpriveledged) it is what it is.
I live in a farming community. I see more of where my food comes from than most people ever do. Again I will eat what I want to. No one is going to rid the planet of corporate farming anytime soon. It holds up the entire economy of many states. Farming as an issue is much bigger than meat.
That is a topic I would love to tackle, but not on SE.
I must go be lazy and selfish and prepare my meat ladden Labor Day Cookout menu. Enjoy!
JerzeeTomato at 6:37AM on 09/02/07