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Question of the Day: How clean obsessed are you?

Di Fara (for those of you outside NYC, a legendary Brooklyn pizzeria) was closed for, among other reasons, actually touching food with bare hands. I couldn't care less, particularly if something is being cooked at screaming temperatures after it's been touched. As I've said before, adventurous eating sometimes leads to a puke adventure. To me, it's worth the risk. You?

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Um, eating out, I just turn a blind eye or I'd never eat out. Unless a roach crawls across my plate (yes, that's happened to me) I ask no questions.

At home I'm Felix Unger. Go figure.

If I worried about stuff like that, I'd never eat in half the places I eat in, I'm a firm believer that the best food often comes from place without the best sanitation. Hence, tons of Chinese take out, but no Scandinavian take out. What I don't see, can't hurt me.

OMG!!! They touched the pizza? With their BARE HANDS??? How will we ever survive?

Seriously though, that's just bullsh** that they got closed down for something so, absolutely, NORMAL. IMHO as a former food service professional, I think requring cooks to wear gloves is just stupid. They are a waste of time, make people clumsy and slow them down. They don't prevent illnesses. Most illnesses that happen in the food industry in recent history have to do with food contaminated before it ever gets to the restaurant. I believe cross contamination to be a greater risk with gloved workers because they can't feel it when they touch something like raw meat juices. If they don't feel it, they don't wash and are more likely to spread contaminants on a glove than on their bare hands.

I think I fall somewhere in between. I once read that to get an idea of a restaurants kitchen cleanliness, to check out their bathroom. I've been known to leave a place if the bathroom is that nasty....but I've also frequent a taco place near my house that is nothing more than a converted beach shack....go figure!
btw...I am also fussy about my own kitchen food safety...being a former food professional as well....no cross contamination in my kitchen!
I agree with the discussion on gloves as well....I think they are worse than bare hands!

My friend's wife expressed an interest in learning about the use and care of cast iron skillets and dutch ovens. Being a big fan of cast iron, I tried to explain to her that you never use soap on a good, seasoned cast iron skillet. That did it for her. She said she couldn't handle the 'no soap' routine.

I'm more worried about the "rodent infestation and other violations that were in excess of standards" than I am about bare-handed cooking. My standard for mouse poo is pretty low.

I would say "it depends". If I am eating any sort of raw food (e.g. sashima) I tend to shy away from low end sushi places (although that rule doesn't apply when I am actually in Japan) or raw oysters from say hooters. Otherwise I don't care. Its all about risk management isn't it? If a restaurant is making people sick - that place will not last long. Internationally I've eaten at places when a cat or, at least in one case, a chicken jumps on the table.

its more about genetics than anything - my family tends to be long lived (if you die before age 85 - its usually a tractor accident) and most spend their times eating the most vile stuff at the most vile places (country buffet, anyone?)...

At home, we're super-tidy and clean. I try not to think about it when we're out to eat. At my old office, where my husband still works, the cafe is not the cleanest. He's gotten sick just eating a sandwich there. After that, I started packing his lunch during the week. He likes the lunches I make and we save a bit of money, too!

If I was clean obsessed I would never eat at most Asian restaurants.

At home, I'm a pretty messy cook. At work when I'm scooping ice cream, I'm as clean as I can be and try not to touch anything, but it happens sometimes.

If it tastes good, I'll eat it. I figure it will help build my immune system.

My possibly-future-mother-in-law doesn't allow people to blow out candles in her presence because she considers in unsanitary. While, I'm sure the DOH would appreciate that, I think memories trump germs. RIP Di Fara.

I work in a hospital in a clinical position. I have also had a lengthy hospitalization with an infection due to human transmitted disease. Therefore, I am super-senstive re: sanitation issues.

If I thought about it too much I'd probably never go out to eat. I love to go out and eat, so I just try not to think about it! I usually stick to the same handful of restaurants and have never gotten sick. If I see something nasty, I will not go back. Like the six inch long hair elastic my boyfriend pulled out of his tofu masaman at a Thai restaurant...didn't go back. And I will also not be going back to the establishment near my apartment where I watched a man standing over about 20 of those red and yellow plastic mustard and ketchup bottles, filling them with a lit cigar in his mouth. Gross.

I think someday I will die of "spitcake" poisoning - my in-laws relight the birthday candles several times so my nephews can blow them out over and over again - and they are droolers.

Mostly I do not worry about it too much, but dude, if restaurants were run by little kids who go to day care/kindergarten, I'd never go out to eat.

I do not eat in people's homes where they let their cats walk on the countertops. Cats scratch in litter boxes and ewww. Once I was invited to a neighbors and she was chopping cheese and pepperoni on the island and I was just about to take a bite and her cat popped up on the countertop and walked all over it then rubbed its bottom on the island. I took the cheese to the powder room and flushed it. I watched as she prepared the meal and then ran out back and stayed away from the food.
I always always look at the kitchen when I go out. Sometimes even pretending that I have entered the wrong door. Not unusual for hubby to get the menu and say hurry and go do it, meaning for me to go look. If I see anything I do not like we are out of there.
I noticed when I was in NC they health rating is posted for all to see. I ate at a steak place that had a 94% and I of course saw the kitchen which was very clean. I want to know how they lost 6%. Makes you wonder.

yeah, i live in NC, where every food establishment gets a grade. sorry, jerzee, but 94% is pretty shady! most of the cleanest places are close to or over 100%. even so, stupid violations (too small of a workspace, improper ventilation, etc.) can pull a score down, so it's hard to know why some places get the higher grades and others don't.

I normally don't even worry with it - unless I'm doing a sushi-feast (and sushi should NEVER be cheap nor quick) what I order is cooked and in my limited knowledge of germs and bacteria, I choose to believe that if heat hits it, it's gone. Done deal.

I may be wrong but in 37 years, the past fifteen or so of adventurous eating, I've not been afflicted with anything other than an overfilled belly.

Maybe I'm sturdy ...

I would have to agree with a previous poster, I always check the restroom!
Also make sure you look at your server especially their hands, I'm more concerned about the trip from the kitchen to the table than I am about the kitchen! At home, well everything is clean and I'm careful about cross contamination. But again I worry more about where I purchased the food than how I prepare it. The only time I ever got sick was from food that had been contaminated at the grocery store. (prepared potato salad)

You don't need to be clean-obsessed to have a problem with Di Fara. OK, he makes pizza bare handed. But he also makes change bare handed, and then uses the same hands to sprinkle freshly cut (and presumably unwashed) basil and extra cheese on the pie, after it comes out of the oven.
Everything you can see in the visible prep area looks dirty, and the walls of the restaurant have dust so thick it looks like fur wallpaper.
Feeling brave, I ordered anyway, 3 days later, no evidence of intestinal disorder. The pizza is good, $20 for a not very large pie, but anyone using the same ingredients with a thin crust could match it. Why reward a restaurant that is compulsively unsanitary?

Yeah, it's worth the risk. I've gotten sick once or twice, but that is bound to happen. One time it was from a local pizzeria that I've frequented for years, and another time it was from chicken teriyaki prepared at home by a relative. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I believe regardless of how careful I am, food poisoning is just something that happens from time to time.

Of course, if I see something that doesn't look or smell right, you can be sure I won't be putting it in my mouth.

In perspective; eating bad food may give you a case of the runs in the short term, but over-eating good food will terminate you in the long run.

At home, I'm a little clean obsessed, but I am indeed a very messy cook. I consider messy and dirty two totally different issues. Now if you leave the mess sit and don't clean it up in a timely manner, it then becomes filth, in my estimation.

We dine out alot, so at some point I force myself to become oblivious to small things or I would be dining at home much more frequently. My first observation at the table is generally that of the silverware. If they are not immaculate, I ask for new. Next is the glassware, which is very obvious if not spotless and free of any gunk. It has always been my contention that the mark of a good restaurant is the cleanliness and tidiness of the restrooms. If they don't care that there is a layer of fuzzy fur on their plastic flowers and wet paper towels are overflowing onto the floor then they are not apt to pay attention to detail elsewhere either. It never occurred to me to accidentally walk into the kitchen, but that is a great idea.

This thread brings to memory very bad experiences at TGI McFunster's. Repeated, heinous experiences. I used to live fairly close to one, and it was one of the more "upscale" restaurants in the area. haha... Nonetheless, dining companions were constantly insisting on the place for convenience. One time, I found a plastic wheel from some sort of kitchen implement in my spring roll. When I complained, to their credit, they did ask if I would prefer some cottage cheese or applesauce. Then another time I ordered a BLT and the B was raw, never having seen the inside of a skillet. This is the biggie - another time I ordered a shrimp cocktail and pulled a piece of raw chicken out of the bowl. When I complained, they offered to bring me another app, so while I was waiting, (watching my companions enjoy their food and the servers go in and out of the kitchen), I could see the servers sitting on the food prep counters in the kitchen. Three of them SITTING on the counters!!! Why don't people notice that the food there tastes like a_ _?

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