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Served: On (Not) Knowing What We Want

I blog by day and wait tables by night. I'm excited to bring you Served, dispatches from the front of the house. Enjoy!

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A couple comes into my bar. He is sporting a jaunty hat. She, a major tan. "We've been drinking since noon," he informs me. My watch says it's nearly nine.

"What's next?" They're here, so I assume they're still going strong.

"Something sweet," she tells me.

"A dessert wine?" I'm thinking it's that or riesling.

"Yes! A dessert wine."

A Sweet Disaster

After a rundown of our list, we decide on Elio Perrone "Bigaro." It's a ruby pink, sparkly, sunny, strawberry-y Moscato/Brachetto from Piedmont. It's my favorite of our sweet wines.

I pour her a taste. Her face contorts into a melodramatic cringe. "Ew!" she squeals, waving her arms every which way in disgust, as if her mouth alone cannot contain her revulsion. "This is gross."

Rest assured, my good friend Bigaro is not gross. It has plenty of residual sugar, so if you don't want something sweet, you don't want a glass of this peachy, rosy, honeysuckley goodness. But it is a well-made, delicious, and entirely ungross wine.

"What don't you like about it?" For precisely this reason, we always pour tastes of wine before dislodging a whole glass.

When the wild gesticulating abates, she scrambles for words. "It's just...gross." I'm trying not to take her false accusation personally, but failing. It's like she's insulting my best friend, or dissing a warm batch of cookies I lovingly baked just for her. "Clearly you don't like it, but it's not gross," I correct her. "If you help me out a little, I can try to find you something you like."

The hatted fellow squirms a little and apologizes for her behavior. At least one of them is a bit self-aware. "Bring her the pinot noir," he orders.

The pinot noir that we sell by the glass is a dry, mellow, fruity affair from Oregon. There is nothing sweet about it. I oblige.

"It's ok," she says in response to her taste. At least there's no flailing this time. "Can I try the Urban Uco?" The Urban Uco, an Argentinean malbec-tempranillo blend, gets only a blank stare.

She ends up with a glass of pinot noir. Followed by several more.

She's Not the Only One

D. is a friend and a fellow server. He was the wine director of a bountifully starred, celeb-cheffed restaurant for many years. He told me this story about an incident there:

A woman wants a glass of white. She requests something crisp, bright, clean, and refreshing. That's a fairly helpful description, and D. brings her a wine that fits the bill. It doesn't do it for her--not at all. He tries something else. No luck.

He is not new at this, so he knows it's time for plan B. He rummages around and finds an open, leftover bottle from a chardonnay tasting the waitstaff conducted a few days ago. It is a big, oaky, buttery, fat-laden thing. The polar opposite of what the woman had requested. She beams. It's perfect, just what she wanted. D. pours her three glasses and charges something substantial. Everyone is happy.

The lesson, he told me, is to never throw anything away. You never know.

The other lesson is that people don't always know what they want

As D. posits, maybe your family forced you to pick strawberries every summer with them in excruciating heat. Maybe you hate your family. Maybe those outings were so miserable as to tarnish the smell of strawberries forever. It is totally unconscious, but one whiff of the sweet fruit is all it takes to trigger a spell of nausea.

Since you don't know this, I (your humble waiter, not your shrink,) can never hope to understand deep-seated your strawberry aversion. But Bigaro tastes of gooey strawberry jam, and you can't stand the stuff.

We all have things we love and hate. The reasons are largely mysterious. With food, tastes are sometimes straightforward. Your hostility towards eggplant or egg or pickles or parsley can be accommodated with a little skirting around a menu. But wine is notoriously ineffable.

With wine, it's a different story. Most people don't have any sort of wine education. They are on their own. I think this makes wine novices (the vast majority of us) very susceptible to tips and advice doled out by people who may or may not have any business doling out tips and advice. Perhaps the woman enjoyed a like-minded chardonnay with someone who remarked, "Yum! How crisp and refreshing!" Ever after, she is convinced her preferences are for the crisp and refreshing.

Some find it endlessly entertaining to mock wine lovers' tendency to describe what they're tasting and smelling with strange jargon. Are you getting notes of toe jam, petroleum jelly, and canned pineapple chunks? Is there steamy morning breath on the finish? Would you refer to what's in your glass as voluptuous, sexy, and classic in a little black dress?

Wine is multi-faceted and ethereal. That is one of the many things to love about it. That is also one of the things that makes wine hard to talk about, even for the connoisseur, and impossible to pin down.

Your Loss!

"We don't like goat cheese," I've heard about 793 times. Really? I am unconvinced.

J., the assistant fromager, delights in proving the goat-cheese haters wrong, as do I. I love finding people something they adore, especially if it comes as a surprise. Maybe the texture of chèvre weirds you out, but have you had an aged, crystallized goat's milk cheese? A goat Gouda? A goat blue? Try those, then we'll talk.

Lack of knowledge doesn't always correspond to lack of certainty. Food can incite many emotions. For many, fear is at the top of the list.

Maybe you'll find a new cheese you love. Maybe it will come from a goat.

Or not. In that case, have a glass of Bigaro. Before last week, I never met anyone who didn't like it.

22 Comments:

Good lord, save us from food snobs. I know what I like, and I assure you goat cheese is not one of those things. Yes, I have tried it. Several varieties and several times.

I'm trotting over to my local wine store and getting myself a bottle Bigaro. Hadn't ever heard of it, but you made it sound so luscious that I can't wait to try it this evening. Thanks, Hannah!

My husband is totally one of those "Oh, I know I'm not gonna like that" people, and I love nothing more than proving him wrong. There are things he will never, ever enjoy (e.g. raw onions, olives), but more often than not his aversions are due to past poor execution, not true dislike! His mom, although a lovely person, is an awful cook; he's not much of a cook, so until he met me, he really didn't have much basis for comparison. I think mom's "cuisine" might have had more than a little bit to do with his dislike of a lot of foods. I've made it my life's work to break him of his aversions ;)

I actually had something like this happen to me while celebrating my Bday at a very nice local steakhouse. After being served a martini that tasted entirely of tinny pineapple juice, I was not happy to banter back and forth with the waiter to take it away b/c it was their "best seller" and I just didn't realize how good it was! Jeesh, get over yourself!

Aw, ya made me drool! So where can I acquire some "aged, crystallized goat's milk cheese," anyways??? Because I assure you, I love goat cheese.

A good lesson for everyone! I love goat cheese too, and you have intrigued me with your talk of your talk of crystallization.

Ah but Carosone you at least tried the martini.

Nothing wrong with not liking something.

thank you for such a really well-written account of people's wine tastes. i go visit a bartender friend of mine at work, and witness interactions like the one you had with Major Tan.

some people (like my boy) think that goat cheese smells like feet. once they have that idea stuck in their head, it's hard for them to move on to actually trying it and liking it. i guess i must like the smell of feet; who knows.

Sometimes people don't know the correct word to describe what they're tasting or what they like. That's usually fine, but as this article shows, those people can make themselves a nuisance to front of house staff when they won't even try.

I don't think it's snobbish to ask people to describe what they don't like about a taste. It'd be like asking someone to describe why a pair of pants doesn't fit - are they too long, too short, too loose, too tight? It's harder to talk about tastes, but not impossible.

@Jim - But why should a person be judged for not trying something when they have had experiences in the past and decided they didn't enjoy a particular food? I detest green olives...I'm never going to order a dish that has green olives in it on the off chance I might mysteriously develop a love for them.

The comments here more than the article remind me of the one and only time I went to a popular, hipster-crowded cafe with a big group of friends. We each got different entrees, but they all came with the same side salad. Everyone oohed and aahed over it, but mine smelled and tasted like sun-wilted mowed grass. It was even limp--everyone's salads were. It was one of the worst salads I'd ever had. All the stuff in the salad was stuff I usually enjoyed. *shrugs* It also reminds me of the time a friend gave me a glass of pricey wine that had been sitting opened in her kitchen. She took a sip and asked me if it was okay, and I thought it tasted sour. She just drank it down and admitted she couldn't really tell when wine was bad, although she and her partner always had dozens of bottles of wine around and drank the stuff almost every night. I guess not all taste buds are created equal.

As a former manager of a restaurant that only served Italian wine I found great joy in helping my guests find something they really liked that they'd never heard of. Of course, it always helped when they were willing participants in their experience, working to tell me what it was that they did or did not enjoy about what I poured them. On the other hand, I found it frustrating when someone asked for, say, a pinot noir, and when confronted with the fact that we didn't pour pinot by the glass, scoffed at me when I asked whether they enjoyed California pinot, Oregon pinot or Burgundy, to try and find them something in a comparable style. Let servers do their jobs, which is guiding customers through menus and wine lists that they are trained to know.

In my experience dining out with friends, "I know what I like" said with a slightly brittle tone is the unadventurous eater's way of saying "I'm not going to try that no matter how you try to convince me." It has a whiff of stubborn ignorance that always shuts me right up when trying to cajole someone into sampling something I am enjoying.

@Laurall and Laryssa...My talk of crystallization had to do with (sorry if this disappoints) aged goat gouda (Murray's carries it). Like it says on their site, it's like candy. Crazy good.

Murcia al Vino is a semi-firm Spanish goat cheese washed in red wine, which has a fruity, ungoaty taste.

Another goat cheese for goat cheese skeptics is the Twig Farm aged tomme. Our menu calls it "tangy and pinecone-ey." It's made with both raw goat and raw cow milk and people are often surprised it's a goat cheese!

Also, Cypress Grove makes an aged goat's milk cheddar and Bleu du Bocage is a great goat blue.

@Barbara...Report back on the Bigaro! Hope it lives up to my praise.

The Elio Perrone Bigaro seems to be unavailable in Ontario. At least, not widely distributed. I'll have to ask my friend who works in the wine industry about it.

One more! Caprotto. J. has a lovely friend who is not big on goat cheese and loves this. It's really hazelnutty and crumbly.

Hush, Hannah! If they don't like goat cheese, that means more for me...

I think it's all a matter of degree and, yes, courtesy on all sides.

If you say, with or without trying it first, that you would prefer cow's cheese to goat's or the Burgundy to the Champagne, and you smile and don't make a big deal about it, friends or family or waitstaff should all try to give you what you want without forcing or shaming you into doing something else.

After all, it could be that goat cheese does fascinating things to your digestive system, which you might or might not want the rest of the table to know about.

If, on the other hand, you "flail" and throw a tantrum, behave like a two-year-old trying grape jelly for the first time, and go into a long monologue about how worthless the food or drink (and everyone who likes it) are, and generally make people feel uncomfortable with their own choice, you're being rude and you probably ought to be sent from the table or forced to eat what's in front of you, like any other child.

Hmm. I feel a blog post coming on.

Hannah, a big thumbs up on your writing style. And as a huge fan of dessert wine, I'll be hunting down a bottle.

Also, on a more personal note, I used to HATE all goat cheese, or any cheese reminiscent of goat cheese. Then, a friend put a really good feta in a salad, and I started enjoying feta more as I ate it. After that, I tried a pizza with little gobs of chevre on it, and while there was a slight aversion at first, now I LOVE it. Goes to show, some things, cheese especially, can be an acquired taste.

you told a great story and did a wonderful analysis of a tricky, subjective topic that can easily press people's buttons and makes them roll their eyes.

you've done a tremendous job with these posts!

looking forward to the next one...

I would try the Bigaro, if I was offered it. I don't tend to like dessert wines, but my experience with them is admittedly limited (other than ports and sherries which I love). My parents offered me a taste of Barsac when I was 12 and I thought if was the most cloying thing I'd ever put in my mouth. But I would try a dessert wine again.

@Ariel777 - My boyfriend is one of those too, but I've never dared to feed him something off his no-no list, even if i suspect he'll like it. (Example: He swears he can't stomach cheese, but he loves melted mozzarella on pizza - which makes me wonder if it's not a mental rut more than anything else.)

My question is, how do you manage to have him try new things without being condescending or dismissive of his tastes? I'm vegetarian, and I'd hate it if someone tricked me into eating meat because "I don't know what I'm missing."

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