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The Food Lab: How to Cook a Perfect Prime Rib

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[Photographs: J. Kenji Lopez-Alt]

Perfect Prime Rib

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This is a four-pound joint of well-marbled prime beef rib—it is not cheap. And while my friends provide me with as many mental and philosophical riches as a man could ask for, and my wife supplies an adequate amount of emotional wealth, being a humble food writer, dollars and cents are not something I part with lightly.

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As such, when I buy a quality piece of beef—and honestly, does beef get any better than prime rib?—I have a great impetus not to mess it up, as do, I imagine, most of you.

So this week, at the Food Lab, I've decided to get through a lifetime's worth of messings-up so that in the future I (and hopefully you too!) will never again serve anything but a perfectly cooked roast.

So what exactly is a Perfect Prime Rib anyway? Whether you buy prime or select, fresh or dry-aged, corn-stuffed or grass-fed, if you don't cook it right, it ain't going to be good. Here is my definition or perfection, in three commandments:

    Commandment I: The Perfect Prime Rib must have a deep brown, crisp, crackly, salty crust on its exterior.
    Commandment II: In the Perfect Prime Rib, the gradient at the interface between the brown crust and the perfectly medium-rare interior must be absolutely minimized (as in, I don't want a layer of overcooked meat around the edges).
    Commandment III: The Perfect Prime Rib must retain as many juices as possible.
    Sub-Commandment i: The Perfect Prime Rib must be cookable without the use of heavy or specialized equipment, including propane or oxy-acetylene torches, sous-vide machines, or C-vap ovens.

Highs and Lows

Before I tried to start figuring out how to achieve all these goals simultaneously it was helpful to note that when cooking beef to medium-rare, there are really only two temperatures that matter.

  • 125°F (or 51.7°C) is the temperature at which beef is medium rare—that is, hot but still pink, cooked but still moist and able to retain its juices. Any higher than that, and muscle fibers start to rapidly shrink, forcing flavorful juices out of the meat, and into the bottom of the roasting pan.
  • 310°F (or 154.4°C) is the temperature at which the Maillard reaction—that wonderfully complicated process by which amino acids and reducing sugars recombine to form enticing roasty aromas—really begins to take off. At this range, meat qill quickly brown and crisp.

Ah—a dilemma revealed itself: In order to maximize browning I had to cook the meat in a sufficiently hot oven—I tried 400°F. At the same time, I didn't want the interior to come up above 125°F.

Since a big beef roast cooks from the outside in, by the time the center had reached 125°F (that is, 120°F in the oven, followed by a 5°F rise in temperature after resting), sure there was a perfectly browned exterior, but the outermost layers had risen closer to around 165°F or 180°F, rendering them overcooked, gray, and dry, their juices having been squeezed out.

I was left with something that looked like this:

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I know, I know—not pretty.

Score:

    Commandment I: Perfect Crust? Check.
    Commandment II: No Gray Zone? Negative.
    Commandment III: Full-on Juiciness? Negative.

OK, so what if I went to the opposite extreme, cooking the steak at a much lower temperature?

I cooked another roast in a 200°F oven until the center reached 125°F. Well, just like with boiled eggs, the temperature at which you cook is directly related to the difference in temperatures between the center, and the exterior layers.

In other words, by cooking it at a lower temperature, you make sure to minimize the volume of beef that comes above the ideal final temperature. I was able to almost completely eliminate the gray band of overcooked meat.

Of course, any browning that I was getting was also right out the window, leaving me with a roast with pale, flaccid exterior that looked like this:

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I know, I know —again, not very pretty.

Score:

    Commandment I: Perfect Crust? Negative
    Commandment II: No Gray Zone? Check.
    Commandment III: Full-on Juiciness? Unknown.

The Myth of the Sear

Jump back a couple of decades and the solution to my dilemma would have been obvious. It was a commonly held belief (and still is, by many home cooks and professional chefs alike), that in order to help a roast, steak, or chop retain moisture, your goal should be to first sear it, creating a crust that will "lock in the juices." Now anyone who reads their Harold McGee or has ever seen juices squeeze up through the seared side of a steak after you flip it over on the grill know that this can't possibly be completely true. But what about partially true?

Could a sear actually help retain at least some of the juices?

In order to test this, I cooked two roasts cut from the same rib sections, with comparable surface areas, weights, and fat contents according to the following processes:

  • Roast 1: Seared in a pan with 3 tablespoons of canola over high heat on the stovetop until a well-browned crust formed (about 15 minutes total). Transferred to a 300°F oven and roasted to an internal temperature of 120°F, removed and rested for 20 minutes (during which time the center rose to 125°F then dropped back down to 120°F).

  • Roast 2: Roasted in a 300°F oven to an internal temperature of 120°F, removed and seared in a pan with three tablespoons of canola oil over high heat on the stovetop until a well-browned crust formed (about 8 minutes total) and rested for 20 minutes (during which time the center rose to 125°F then dropped back down to 120°F).

If searing does in fact "lock in juices," then we would expect that the steak which was first seared then roasted should retain more juices that the steak that was first roasted then seared. Unfortunately for old wives' tales, the exact opposite is the case. I carefully weighed each roast at each step of the process to gauge the amount of moisture and fat lost during cooking. These are the results:

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The meat that was seared first them roasted lost 1.68% more juices than the one that was roasted first then seared. It's not a particularly huge difference, but the knowledge that searing conclusively does not lock in juices was certainly liberating in the ways that it allowed my to think about the recipe.

Score:

    Commandment I: Perfect Crust? Check.
    Commandment II: No Gray Zone? Negative.
    Commandment III: Full-on Juiciness? Check.

Inside and Out

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So great, you may be thinking—you can sear first or you can sear after, and it makes no difference. What's the big deal?

20091218-rib-roast-seared-second.jpgWell the big deal, as some of the more astute readers may have noticed in the timing above, is that if you are starting with a completely raw roast, in order to get a well-browned crust, it takes around 15 minutes in the hot pan, during which time, the meat under the surface on the outer layers of the roast is busy heating up and overcooking, just like they did when roasted in a 400°F oven.

On the other hand, in order to get a well-browned crust after the prime rib has roasted, you need only around eight minutes in the pan. Why is this?

It all has to do with water.

In order for the surface of a roast to reach temperatures above the boiling point of water (212°F), it must first become completely desiccated. When searing raw meat, about half the time it spends in the skillet is spent just getting rid of excess moisture before browning can even begin to occur. You know that vigorous sizzling sound when a steak hits a pan? That's the sound of moisture evaporating and bubbling out from underneath the meat.

On the other hand, a prime rib that has first been roasted has had several hours in a hot oven, during which time the exterior has completely dried out, making searing much more efficient, and thus giving all but the very exterior of the meat less of a chance of overcooking.

Taking what I learned from both the oven temperature testing and the searing testing into account, I now knew what I had to do to fulfill all three commandments: My goals should be to cook the interior of the roast as slowly as possible (IE, at as low a temperature as my oven could maintain), then sear it as quickly as possible (IE, at as high a heat as possible). Searing in a pan is not that practical for a joint bigger than a couple of ribs wide, so I needed a way to do this all in the oven.

While some recipes will have you simply pump up the oven temperature towards the end of cooking, this is sub-optimal. An oven can take 20 or 30 minutes to go from it's lowest temperature to its highest temperature setting, during which time, once again, the outer layers of beef are busy overcooking.

But then, I thought, 20 to 30 minutes is exactly how long a rib roast needs to rest anyhow. What if I were to first cook it at a low temperature (200°F or lower), take it out of the oven, allow it to rest while I heated the oven to its highest temperature (500 to 550°F), then pop it back in just long enough to achieve a crust?

What I achieved was nothing less than Prime Rib Perfection:

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Score:

    Commandment I: Perfect Crust? Check.
    Commandment II: No Gray Zone? Check.
    Commandment III: Full-on Juiciness? Check.

As you can see, no gray overcooked meat, a crisp brown crust, and a rosy pink from center to edge.

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But wait—there's more!

The best part? I found that by cooking with this two stage method, I had a much larger window of time to serve the beef. Once I got past the initial low-temperature phase of cooking, so long as I kept the roast covered in foil, it would stay warm for over an hour. All I had to do was pop it back into its 550°F oven 8 minutes before my guests were ready to eat, and the roast would emerge hot, sizzling, and ready to carve, no need to rest it after the 500, since the only part that is being affected is the very exterior.

Family gatherings will never be the same. Now if only I could find a way to expose the rosy center under my sister's crusty exterior, we'd really have something to celebrate at the holidays!

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About the author: After graduating from MIT, J. Kenji Lopez-Alt spent many years as a chef, recipe developer, writer, and editor in Boston. He now lives in New York with his wife, where he runs a private chef business, KA Cuisine, and co-writes the blog GoodEater.org about sustainable food enjoyment.

64 Comments:

I shouldn't read here while I'm hungry

Excellent! I'm going to give this a try on Christmas Eve. One slightly off topic questions, though: What do you call that fatty ring of beef that hugs one half of the outside of prime rib? It's on the bottom right of the cuts shown in the second to last photo. I wish I could ask my butcher to sell me that cut by itself.

For those people who request their meat cooked medium well to well done [not this guy], will leaving the roast in until 135-140 internally, then resting, then popping back in the 500 degree oven, work as well?
Or should I keep to roasting as instructed above, and just put back in the oven, the pieces that were requested mw/wd? At 200? 500?

Fascinating. I love The Food Lab more and more with each post.

JH Ford, I think you're talking about the spinalis dorsis. It is indeed the tastiest part of a prime rib or a rib steak for that matter.

Oh. My. God. Must have prime rib roast this weekend. (Was planning to have some sort of beef roast, but this seals the deal!) Thanks for the wonderful explanations and all the great columns. The Food Lab is one of my favorite features of SE!

Uhhh...i hate to burst or buble but this was alreadydiscovered during a episode of good eats...looks like AB beat you to the punch...great article anyway

Is there any problem--food safety-wise--with baking at such a low temperature over such a long period?

Wow Ed! You're blinding me with science! Kenji, yet another great post. We're doing a roast for xmas, I was pondering various methods, this appears to be the way to go. I'd be curious to see how it applies to other types of roasts. Is there any reason why this wouldn't work with a bone in pork loin roast?

This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen!

amazing. haha, does your sister read this?

Love food lab and Kenji! You have a wicked sense of humor, and good "taste", as well.

@vraknari: then they're not allowed to eat it.


this article was revelatory! i'm absolutely making this with my boyfriend!

I'm buying a prime rib today, and tomorrow, and the next day.....

great post!

That looks absolutely perfect! Love the food lab!

**grabs a whole roll of paper towel to wipe drewel off keyboard**

My grandmother would do something similar, but in reverse: she would heat the oven to 500 degrees, put the roast in for 10 minutes, then turn the oven off and lock the door. No peeking, no more heat, nothing. An hour later, you'd pull out a perfectly cooked prime rib. Your method seems much more foolproof, however, as hers was likely dependent on the heat retention of her particular oven (and cast iron pan).

I've made this suggestion before, but try skipping the roasting rack and lining the bottom of your pan with onions, sliced celery and mushrooms. Sieve for a fine au jus.

This works well with other roasts as well. You can criss-cross celery stalks for a chicken or turkey. A whole ham on a bed of mushrooms and chopped leeks. Or my favourite, meatloaf with thick sliced onions covering the bottom of the tin.

How well would this work out with the finish being under the broiler (gas "infrared" type)? It would blow less excess heat, and my broiler gets to temperature in only a couple of minutes, so it would be real nice for finishing.

The shear beauty ...


I'm tearing up over here.

@vraknari

Yes - you can use the same method to get well-done beef, though really, it's kind of unnecessary, since with well-done beef, you're squeezing out most of the moisture anyway.

If only a couple of your guests want their meat well done, I'd suggest slicing their portion after the medium-rare beef is cooked, then covering the slices and putting them back into a hot (around 400 degree) oven until they are cooked all the way through.

@simon
It would work great for a pork roast - same method. Temperatures would be a little different if you want your pork more well done - I usually aim for about 130 with pork. Works just as well for lamb, or any other large roast, for that matter.

@KinofCain
I wish I had your grandmother's oven :)

@Paul Kierstead
I think it would probably work, although you'd have to be careful that the parts that are sticking up near the broiler won't burn before the parts that are further away are browned. If you have a convection oven, doing the last phase with convection on will further increase how rapidly it browns, so you'll get even better results.

@nhfoodie: I'm betting a lot of stuff on any food blog has already been done at some point. But, at least IMHO, this is still very entertaining to read.

Kenji, that perfect slab is almost the most beautiful photo I have ever seen, right after pictures of my kids and grandkids. I feel like a kid waiting for Santa. . .I want Christmas dinner right now!

Kenji,bring on the Au Jus!!

Man thats some good looking beef,even the ones that didn't turn out perfect look pretty darned good!Hope you didn't throw them out....

My challenge is not cooking the perfect roast, I use a meathod not unlike yours, but rather wrestling the task away from my mother in law. Last Christmas invovled lots of smoke,check, grey meat, check and let's not forget the holiday angst that comes from watching a piece of meat that survived 45 days of aging surender to too long in a too hot oven.

Alton Brown came to a similar conclusion.

Yeah searing meat doesn't "lock in" anything- what it does is create a delicious carmelized crust that is also visually appealing.

One of the things about searing is that the meat should ideally start out room-temp and not cold. Restaurants sear things in cast iron pans at 600-700 degress which is tough to do at home, unless you have a commercial range and a powerful exhaust fan, or rip out your smoke alarm.

I've used the "finishing at a high temp" method for roasting a whole chicken and it works perfectly.

Yep Alton Brown showed a similar method in his "Celebrity Roast" episode. (also shows you how to dry age your beef at home in your fridge.)

Mmmm... dry aged beef...

I just recently read Alaine Ducasse's method but yours seems much easier with much less active time.
I have really been enjoying the food lab! Thanks!!

Depending on your gear It is easy to get 700° at home. Put a 12 - 14" cast iron pan on the burner for a turkey fryer. Outside of course! The down side is you will be re-seasoning you pan when you are done

If you can control your BBQ pit or smoker to 200 degrees and smoke it first and when you've reached your required doneness than put in in your preheated oven @ 500- 550 degrees. Sounds good to me! Gonna try it! Dave

A quick question... the main reason I never serve prime rib or rib-eye steaks is that huge pocket of fat: http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20091218-rib-roast-opener.jpg

The problem for me is that there is no way to possibly cook it so that the internal fat pocket is either melted, crispy or soft. It is always flabby and raw which means it is quite unsightly and you have to eat or cut around it which seems messy to me - the flavour of almost raw fat just can't compare with that of rendered or crisped fat. How does everyone combat this problem?

Prime Rib gets its flavor from the large amount of fat in it. Most people seem fine in just cutting around it when eating it. Now if slice it, and grill it like a Rib-eye steak, you're able to get it crispy and rendered as you may prefer.

I have to tell you that for the past 40 some Christmases I have always served a prime rib roast with Yorkshire pudding. My bible for the faultless and perfectly cooked prime rib every year has been the NY Times cookbook by Craig Claiborne published in 1961. I have always cooked my roast with the high temperature method and it has always come out crispy, crusty on the outside and perfectly medium rare inside.
Still rely on those oldies but goodies, including Julia!

I was skeptical with the post but after a thorough read have been swayed. Going to try this method for Christmas dinner. Will be cooking two 7-8 rib roasts.

Thanks so much! I'm so excited to try this tomorrow, although I can already feel the stares of the "old cooks" in the family burning into the back of my head as I go against everything they know to be true about meat! Quick question:
How much, if any, did you find the temperature of the meat rose after the initial phase, while resting? If I'm looking for med-rare and pull it out at 120, between the resting time and the high heat sear would I be looking at a more well done piece of meat? Should I pull it out at 110-115 instead?

I think Smith & Wollensky served me a perfect version of prime rib, according to this assessment!

http://splurgeorregurge.blogspot.com/2009/12/super-splurge-dinner-at-smith-and.html

Actually this is how many restaurants do it. They cook their ribs rare, and if someone wants medium, well or otherwise, they dunk the meat into au jus till it's cooked to spec. They DO NOT put the meat back in the oven! The au jus cooks the meat tender/moist, and you wouldn't know it was basically poached to the right doneness.

HTH

I am cooking a rib roast for the first time on Christmas and am so grateful for this post! Wish me luck!

This will come in very handy, as my sister and I take over the Christmas kitchen responsibilities this year, now that my mother can no longer do them. I was trying to describe to my father how gorgeous the outcome of your experiment was, but he couldn't appreciate it. Unfortunately, as he did agree, it would all be wasted on my mother's sister who would always take her slab of beautifully rare meat and cook it in the microwave until well done. [sigh]

Why not try this with a NY strip roast? I have quit buying rib roast due to the fact that there is so much fat in them. When I eat a piece of meat I do not want to throw away 10-15% of the product. You can get just as good marbling in a NY strip roast as you can in a rib roast. I have cooked these just like a rib roast with great success.

Thank you for making our Christmas Eve dinner a real stunner! Worked perfectly....

YUM! Thanks Kenji for sharing your results with us. I had picked up a 16 pound ribeye whole loin at Restaurant Depot last week intending to cut it up for steaks, read your latest lab and decided, "what the heck, we'll call it Prime Rib instead". It worked wonderfully!

I used a std. cracked black pepper, sea salt, & garlic rub and added in a good amount of toasted and cracked Cardamon seeds after reading parts of Michael Symon's new cook book. Excellent results!

Bringing the meat up to 130 degrees in the 185-200 degree oven, then resting before cranking that heat all the way up for 8 minutes was just the ticket for a nicely done Christmas Eve feast!

Kenji, I prepared our two rib roasts for Christmas dinner this way today and they were simply brilliant. I did it by your book - salted generously 24 hours in advance and put in the fridge uncovered, roasted at 200 for about 3-1/2 hours, let sit for about an hour then 10 minutes at 550. Everyone agreed it was the best rib roast they'd ever eaten (and my hubs is a chef so for him to agree was high praise indeed). Thank you so much.

So glad that everyone's had success so far. Can't tell you how nervous I was this morning thinking that people's Xmas dinners might hinge on this working or not. I mean, I was confident it works, but it's kind of like sending your child out into the world on their own, you know? Not that I have children yet. But I can imagine that that's what it's like.

Hope my real kids work well too...

For the first time ever, my family made prime rib for Christmas, using this method. It worked PERFECTLY - thank you so much for the timely post!

Another rave here... our Christmas Eve dinner came out fabulous! The beef was perfect and it was so easy to do. Thanks again.

Kenji, you deserve the ovation I received from my kids after serving the rib roast cooked to your specs.

I used to do the high heat sear/low heat finishing. I would get the center rarest cut and the people who preferred well-done would get the end cuts. (How I gave birth to those people, I'll never know--they sure didn't get my DNA.)

This year, after the rest period, I sliced off the two ends and pan-fried them for the two well-done sons. The rest of us thoroughly enjoyed the most (and moist) red meat ever on a slab of rib.

Thank you for giving my kids (and grandkids) another reason to idolize me.

thanks! been making prime rib for years but tried your recipe this year with great success. we enjoyed a perfectly cooked and beautiful roast. thanks again, happy new year! cheers!

Did it your way. Went very well. Should have gotten a bigger roast ,cut near center for better results.

My dad and I were in charge of Christmas Day dinner for a small crowd of only six this year, and we wanted to make it an especially memorable meal for my 90 year-old grandmother. This was also the first year I was elected to play cook, so I was feeling the pressure. Well, after years of my dad making prime rib his way (which I previously thought was delicious), I printed out your whole article and recipe for him, telling him I thought he should try it this way this year. He was so impressed with your thorough research that although he had some reservations, he agreed to try the method.

We cooked the meal at my grandma's house, and I of course forgot to bring my meat thermometer, so we just followed this method exactly and hoped it would work out. Of course, it was absolute perfection, and my dad was so, so impressed. Everyone who ate it was truly raving, and devouring the meat. Kenji, you are truly a genius! Your method has earned a lifetime spot in my recipe folder--thank you for upgrading our family dinner! Seasoned only with good pepper and sea salt, our prime rib was a revelation. You're a rock star to the whole family.

My mom asked me for a prime rib recipe and instead of instructing her how to do it on the phone (she's one of those people that needs verbatim instructions), I gave her this link. I arrived for dinner just as it was finishing up - One 12-rib prime split into two seperate halves, seasoned and cooked at 200 F for 4 hours in her convection oven, rested for 30 minutes then seared at 550 F for 10 minutes.

I like medium-rare so I was satisfied with the flavor and the doneness, but about half of the people at the table were claiming it was too rare. They wanted more of a medium doneness. So if you haven't attempted this recipe and you want it to be medium, you may want to cook two whole 4-rib primes for a little longer.

I always put roasts into a hot (475F) oven for 15 minutes then drop heat to 275F and cook until the meat probe thermometer says it's done (125F). Then let it rest covered out of the oven for 15 mins. and everyone raves except my step daughter who requires me to cut her piece off and cook it until it is a uniform gray (Yetch). I also dry age the rib roast in cheese cloth in the fridge for several days and coat the meat with salt, pepper and granulated garlic before cooking. I may try your method next year.

Just wanted to add my thanks! This was my first time ever cooking a prime rib --- and I had 15 people to feed! I bought a 7-rib roast and also a smaller 3-rib roast because I was just too paranoid about not having enough to feed everyone --- and true to your instructions, the 7-rib roast was enough, and there was some left over! Your cooking method worked perfectly and was so simple, I will definitely be doing this again!

More thanks!

Handed my husband these instructions for Christmas dinner...and our prime rib turned out beautifully. So delicious. Not sure if it turned out exactly and immaculately "perfectly" in terms of the cooked edges (even though the steps were followed very carefully), but it was perfect for us. We're still eating it and talking about how good it is.

Here's a visual...how'd we do?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/myszka/4223662964/

Oh, and I googled around trying to figure out how to reheat the meat. Ended up putting the meat in a ziploc in simmering water...is there a better and easier way to reheat the steak without cooking it?

I made a boneless rib roast last night. I followed James Beard - he said to cook it for 22-26 minutes per pound in a 325 degree oven OR to start it at a higher temp for 1/3 of the time and then lower the heat and finish cooking. I did the first one and it came out rare, which is what we wanted. I should've cooked it a bit more BUT I have a temperature problem with my oven - for a 325 degree oven I have to have it on 425! I need to have it re-calibrated badly.

Worked well and it was just delicious. Brown on the outside, rare inside. Mmmm... For medium rare, it should've cooked for another 10 minutes in my oven but I didn't have that kind of time.

Just delicious.

@myszka

Looks great to me! A little bit of gray meat, but still looks fantastic. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

For reheating, it depends on whether you've sliced it all or not. If you still have a sizeable chunk left, you can reheat it in a low oven again (though this may take longer than in a water bath). Or what I sometimes like to do is to just treat it like a steak - slice it into 1.5-inch or so slices, and sear it. You'll get a crust on the outside, and the centers should still be nice and rosy.

I don't think you'll ever get it to be exactly the same as when you first cooked it, but the steak method gives you delicious results.

Second best thing to do: just eat it cold. My wife and I are staying at a B&B in the Shenandoah valley in Virginia right now and brought leftover prime rib from xmas dinner with us (we're keeping it naturally refrigerated outside our window here - don't tell the owner). Tomorrow's dinner's going to be an arugula, sliced cold beef, and aged cheddar salad. Delicious!

OMG! My mouth is watering!

I've been meaning to sign on and post since the day after Christmas. I used your method for our holiday prime rib, and it came out beautifully - the best prime rib I've ever cooked. Thanks!

I am cooking a rib roast right now while i came across this web site . I have been making the roast form years learning from my father in-law. I dress mine different ways each time (today using a Italian rub i got from our local Italian deli in Blooming Glenn Pa).I always heat my oven at 500 and place the room temp roast in for 10 min. reducing the temp to 350 for 1 hour for a 4.70 pound roast .I like ours med rare ..I always sit a rack on top of a glass dish for all the dripping so i can make Yorkshire Pudding for those of you who have never tried it..It is a must for a Rib Roast . This is a Family tradition I have learned and done for 25 years .The roast will rest while the pudding is cooking ..The pudding is a bread ..Very good !!

Please go to Pasqualinas in Bloomg Glenn Pa..Great Italian deli..You smell it before you get in the door..A fan of Pasqualinas

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