How Do You Slip the Waiter Extra Tip Money?

A friend recently voiced this dilemma: "What to do when your dinner companion tips too little and there's no chance to discreetly slip the waiter some extra $$? I feel terrible!"
I tweeted out to the @seriouseats followers for advice and got a number of responses that might have helped our friend in need. Many involved using an excuse to go back so you can supplement the tip. (I've done this before; "visiting the restroom" is an unassailable excuse to go back in.)
@MissExpatria suggests saying, "Sorry, it's a thing with me, I have to leave X percent or I won't sleep tonight, it's not you, it's me."
That's honest and straightforward enough, but I wonder how some folks might take it. It could be seen as a rebuke—not to mention the fact that tipping practices differ from person to person, and the custom often evokes heated discussion.
What would you do?
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44 Comments:
This is indeed is a tough one, Adam. Most of my friends look to me to tell them how much to leave as a tip. I don't know what I would do in the situation you laid out.
Ed Levine at 9:11PM on 10/06/09
Did anyone see Sunday night's Curb Your Enthusiasm episode? Sorry to bring up only a tangentially-related issue, but Jason Alexander and Larry David went to lunch and got into a big dispute about tipping when they split the bill, it was hilarious.
Anyway why do you have to be discreet about leaving a bigger tip? Or a smaller tip? Leave what you think is deserved, and to each his own. How often is this a problem anyway when most people pay by credit/debit card now? Write your tip on your half of the bill, fold it up, and put it in the leather folder, case closed.
LizLemon at 9:18PM on 10/06/09
It's always been easy for me, quite frankly. In my undergrad and grad years in college I would usually pay in cash whenever I ate out. As such, and since everyone was pretty open with how they were tipping, if anyone came up tipping an insultingly low amount given the service provided I would just toss a few more dollars into my contribution to the bill.
It was simple, nobody was insulted since we all paid what we deemed was appropriate and the waiter or waitress had a nice tip. And for the extra money out of my end (maybe $10 each week?) I would just not buy random crap during the week. Besides, those meals were always a joy whereas random crap ends up being rubbish.
First Chair at 9:36PM on 10/06/09
I eat regularly at an authentic Mexican taco restaurant in Oklahoma City and I take friends there all the time for business lunches. I make it clear right up front when we get up to pay, "I eat here a lot so make sure you tip." I think the best way to go is to be up front with people
FreshAmericanBison.com at 9:59PM on 10/06/09
@first chair - very good attitude! i like that.....
i always side with generosity unless the service was really poor. but never have i stiffed anyone.
pooch at 10:01PM on 10/06/09
I don't think I would do anything, even if I felt bad. If you eat there all the time, which is why you leave great tips (probably the best reason to do such a thing)--you'll be back and can make up for it and they will understand, you are a good customer.
For any other reason, unless it was so egregious that you would confront your companion anyway, just don't worry about it.
GM at 10:07PM on 10/06/09
i don't know what's the right thing to do, but this situation drives me a little crazy. i thought the curb your enthusiasm episode about sharing checks and tipping was hysterical.
justcook at 10:14PM on 10/06/09
I have no need to be discrete if I feel the need to leave a bigger tip. If anyone ever asked though, the honest answer is that I tip well because I used to wait tables, and it's hard work. I had a roommate who refused to tip because she didn't believe in it (stupid AND rude), and the one time we were out at a restaurant with a bunch of friends and I learned this, the tip itself wasn't an issue because the rest of us rounded up with our cash so the server wasn't getting stiffed because of the moron at the table.
Luckily, I don't know anyone anymore who doesn't tip at least 15% (if not more). My bf tips well, and after I waited tables in college, my parents moved from 15% to 20% as their standard.
joyyy at 10:25PM on 10/06/09
I don't feel any need to explain to my fellow diners why a greater tip is needed. I just add money or ask for them to chock up more, depending on how I'm feeling that night and if I'm with friends who repeatedly don't tip enough. If they are refusing or complaining about paying more, I simply roll my eyes at them while tipping properly and tell them they are screwing over people who don't deserve their frugality. If you can't afford to tip, don't dine out. If you don't want to tip, get take out.
Then I say, "the next round is on you" as we proceed for after dinner drinks.
When I'm with my father-in-law, I wouldn't be so bold. I would just leave cash on the table as we're leaving and if he's dawdling, I'd head to the bathroom and as I'm heading out, I'd leave extra on the table. He's one person I don't want to cross.
countchocula at 10:48PM on 10/06/09
I hate tipping...i feel like people only tip b/c they were servers at some point in thier lives. I say the restaurant needs to pay them more, not me.
Because of the reality of the situation I do tip these days. I only tip 10% though...no charity cases over here. Anyway, obviously I will not be slipping any extra money to the waiter. And in all truthfulness if they have a problem with not making whatever amount they expected that day, they should go get a job that pays by the hour where you know what you will be paid. No guarantees waiting those tables bud.
A-Buddy at 10:59PM on 10/06/09
I am with Countcocula on this one. Well at least the first part of his comment. His father in-law should be taught some tipping etiquette as well.
People that don't tip well are usually selfish bastards and I use info like that to thin the friends list to those that deserve it. When a selfish bastard doesn't leave enough, I will either call them out on it or just leave the rest myself and NEVER EVER go out for a meal with them. It is much like that scene from "A Bronx Tale".
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/climbhighak/selfishbroad6gu.png
climbhighak at 11:06PM on 10/06/09
A Buddy should be throat punched.
climbhighak at 11:07PM on 10/06/09
The British boss, a notorious non-tipper used to visit the stateside office and we would all be off to the obligatory dinner. My colleagues and I would anticipate the uncomfortable moment of the check. We would waylay the waiter on the way to the restroom and slip him a fifty. The fun part was trying to expense the cash tip!
saintlaurent at 11:09PM on 10/06/09
i've done it. i used to always have dinner with my friend's parents, who adopted me as a second daughter. his dad was a great guy but tipped like it was 1964. i would just discreetly go find the waiter on my way to the ladies' after dinner and palm him a ten.
cybercita at 11:11PM on 10/06/09
My husband and I deal with his folks in one of two ways. 1) We pay the check. This prevents his step-dad from shorting the server. 2) If we are thwarted at method #1, I will take forever gathering my belongings (jacket, purse, etc), when it's time to leave. During this time, I place a $20 under the rim of a plate. Generally, the places they like to eat, a 20 will more than cover a tip. However, if the FIL is especially difficult, and the server has done everything humanly possible to placate this man, I will leave more. No charity cases here either--any server that doesn't throw the plate at that man has earned every penny.
beth1 at 11:16PM on 10/06/09
When I'm splitting a check with the other diners, I tip what I want to tip and if I think someone might be shorting the server, I might kick in another little bit.
Many years ago I was at a business dinner hosted by someone visiting from out of town. I happened to look over and see her signing the check and she tipped something egregiously low - like 5% or less. I bit my tongue but the next day I mentioned it to some co-workers who were also appalled. So we took up a collection and dropped off some money for the waitress with an apology. First of all, it was the right thing to do and the place was less than a mile from the office so it was likely we'd go there again.
My last boss, the Evil Troll, would get cranky and undertip for the most ridiculous - and mostly imaginary - slights. I got in the habit of slipping a few dollars under a plate or a glass as we got up from the table. It was bad enough having to be seen with him, I didn't want people to think I condoned his idiocy.
I have a brother-in-law who doesn't tip on alcohol which, when we're out with him, usually constitutes a hefty portion of the bill. I slip some extra $$ under the plate then, too.
RegrettableFoodie at 11:25PM on 10/06/09
I had a similar situation a few weeks ago. Once my friend paid the tab, I said, "You know, I think I want to get a dessert to go as a gift for my wife." This allowed me to insist on paying that check, really crank up the tip, and my wife scarfed the pie down and loved it. A big can of win for everybody.
WesF at 12:10AM on 10/07/09
Do nothing. If you agreed your companion pays the tip, let him/her do so. It's not your battle, seek help for your control issues. You know you will tip well the next time you are there, and you will also learn to pick up the tip next time while dining with your cheapskate friends.
lambowner at 12:18AM on 10/07/09
we trained our mom to ask us what was appropriate because she was usually thinking 5-10% and thats just not cool unless they failed someway.
blizcheetah at 12:21AM on 10/07/09
Oh dear, the whole tipping thing is such a pain.
Likeswords at 12:47AM on 10/07/09
My in laws are infamous cheap tippers. I also feel no shame in what I call "tipping right over" someone. It is my money and I will spend it however the hell I like.
JerzeeTomato at 1:26AM on 10/07/09
I think you should tip the standard.
However I understand that after a certain time or over a certain amount of people, some places automatically add in gratuity. This is usually not a problem either except for the following instance.
My girlfriend had a birthday dinner at a restaurant and there were six of us. We knew the gratuity was going to be included but we would've still left something anyway HAD the server not been such a deadbeat. It took us forever to get drinks (and not just alcohol, but plain water!), the food was over an hour wait, and then she disappeared after it was served. No refills, no coming back to see if everything was alright! We fumed the entire time and asked to speak to management. (She only returned to the table after we complained.) We didn't deny the gratuity, but expressed to her manager that she hadn't earned a dime of it and hated paying her. She apologized but it was too late. Our meal was ruined because of her service and I don't care if it's included or not, bad service is a no-no and will easily get you far less or if really bad, NOTHING, at all from what you expected!
jlewfoodie at 2:35AM on 10/07/09
The diner scene in the opening minutes of "Reservoir Dogs" is profane, funny, and on the mark.
Johnny Cash Forever at 7:25AM on 10/07/09
Sometimes I do the pre-emptive strike -- like, if we're slow ordering, I'll say (in a jokey tone), "We've kept the server waiting a long time, we need to tip extra well," or something like that.
Among good friends, if we're splitting the bill, we usually calculate 20% off the total and all chip in. If it's just acquaintances, everyone leaves what they think is right; sometimes I'll leave more to make up for any low tips on the other side.
piccola at 8:30AM on 10/07/09
I make sure to openly mock those who under tip. An extra few bucks is really that big of a deal to you? If you've ever worked for tips in your life you'd realize what a difference a couple bucks here and there makes.
esarn at 8:46AM on 10/07/09
When we go out with my notoriously high-maintenance and low-tipping mother, I always snag the leather folder after she's done signing the credit card, and I slip extra cash inside. I figure, if she won't let us pay for our meal, my addition to her idea of a tip is just our contribution towards the cost of dinner.
avaryne at 8:52AM on 10/07/09
Oh god! When eating out with a certain family member, I always have to tuck at least 20% in cash under a saucer or the bill folder, but secretly and only just as we get up to leave. I do this even for substandard service, as putting up with her garbage for an entire meal deserves fair payment (when do I get my tip?).
She thinks that it's generous to leave $100 for a $96 meal. Her reasoning is "if servers want to make more than minimum wage, they should get different jobs." This, of course, is ignoring the fact that they have that exact job *because* they (rightly) expect to make more than the minimum wage. ALSO: I have explained the way that tipping out the kitchen and bar works (having been a restaurant bartender in the past and survived off that tip-out myself...), but still, that has no effect. I cringe every time. Some people can see no logic.
rhinny at 9:40AM on 10/07/09
@climbinghighak, you've just given @countchocula a non pg-13 rated name. LOL
BananaMonkey at 9:55AM on 10/07/09
woops...that's @climbhighak, not @climbinghighak
BananaMonkey at 9:55AM on 10/07/09
Arrgh, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. I do make up others' short tips by slipping extra money under a plate or some other way, but believe me, I resent it. I used to go out quite a bit with a good friend when we were still in school. I enjoyed spending time with her, until the check would come. She always managed to avoid the check by being extra engrossed in conversation, going to the bathroom, etc. If directly confronted with her share of the bill, she would pay the bare minimum tip, which someone else would make up. She was a great person, but exceedingly cheap. It's been years and I still resent the fact that she always managed to get someone to cover for her. This is another issue, but she also managed to get fabulous dinners out quite a bit during dates. Essentially, I think people who don't leave a fair tip (taking into consideration egregiously bad service, etc) are cheap and taking advantage of their friends by either expecting them to make up the difference or stiffing the server. If you can't afford the tip, order something cheaper or another option.
fanghsing at 10:07AM on 10/07/09
My mother and grandmother (mom's mom) are painfully bad tippers (it's a symptom of a larger issue, where the tip is perceived as "extra" or more of their hard-earned money). I used to try and and state my case as passionately and eloquently as possible, but I just got annoyed stares and accusations of throwing my money around needlessly. Since neither of them are big on eating at expensive restaurants ("such a waste!") I'll either offer to cover the bill as a way around the issue, or at least offer to cover the tip, as my way of contribution.
@rhinny - there's just no explaining to some people. It is what it is.
GreenBee at 10:19AM on 10/07/09
Also, another concept that I cannot wrap my head around is picking-and-choosing what you do and do not "tip on" from the check. It's tallied up at the end with taxes added on. My tips are based on the last number on the check, which includes alcohol, parts of the meal served slower than others, "that one entree that tasted not as great as I was hoping" and tax. I'm no Rockefeller, but fair is fair.
GreenBee at 10:33AM on 10/07/09
My frequent lunch buddy at work always undertips, mainly because she's never worked in the service industry and otherwise dines with her husband, who manages all their finances and prob knows how to do the math for tipping. We always split the lunch check, but on her $13 bill, she'll leave a dollar. Maybe I'm an overtipper (I've worked in the industry) and this isn't fine dining, but I feel like she should know to leave at least $1.50. Worse yet, another colleague looks to her to see how much she should tip on her lunch bill.
Can people really claim to be so ignorant about how much to tip? Move the decimal over one to the left and double it.
LiveToEat at 11:17AM on 10/07/09
@LiveToEat - many people never master the simple method of math for tipping. In college, I was out with some friends who were engineering students who whipped out their cell phones to calculate the tip! I actually made fun of them (as an English major who hasn't taken a real math class since 11th grade), and walked them through your method. easypeasy.
joyyy at 11:58AM on 10/07/09
@ Liveto eat and joyy-
Same thing here. Problems calculatiing a simple tip.
"Can people really claim to be so ignorant about how much to tip? Move the decimal over one to the left and double it." or 10%, then double it.
Bill- $45,
10% is $4.50,
double it- $9 dollar tip
Your method is easier, but mine has helped a few math whizzes too.
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As for short tipping- I usally throw extra dollars in to make it 20%. If it's going to be an issue, I either slip money under my plate or excuse myself before the server returns to pick up the bill, catch the hostess and ask them to make sure our server gets "this" (some extra bills).
CJ McD at 12:47PM on 10/07/09
I just say in an offhand way, "Oh, let me put some in," add the cash, close the bill folder, and start talking about something else. If you don't say it judgmentally, no one will even realize that you are "correcting" them.
thinkingwoman at 1:17PM on 10/07/09
So it is very situational, but if say it is with friends I will make them aware that of my displeasure with an inadequate tip. Though it's not necessarily my place to teach this person about proper tipping as a friend I don't want to be continuously confronted with this situation with them thinking it is okay. Sometimes I'll even bring the server into the discussion sometimes as I don't think it's okay behavior. Now obviously if it is someone that you aren't on equal footing with it can sometimes be easier to somehow discreetly give money to the server. I think the real discussion about tipping is whether you do base it on the before or after tax total. A 20% tip should be considered standard for normal good service.
Noah_With_Suspenders at 1:35PM on 10/07/09
Some years ago I was a director at an athletic club. About every six week I would put a sign up sheet for a dinner out with club members. I'd make reservations and we would usually have 12-15 diners. We always had a good time during dinner. There would be drinks, apps, and entres and when it came time to pay there would be a lot of haranguing about who got what and how much they owed. Some times there wasn't even a 10% tip. The wait staff had done a lot of work on our part and deserved 20%. I would ask for more and I might get closer to 12%. Sometimes I would just give in and make up the difference.
I got tired of that after awhile and when the stingy ones asked why I discontinued the dinner I told them that I didn't get paid enough to pay their way through dinner and they were welcomed to go without me.
I can recall only once tipping less that 20% and that was for incredibly poor service.
janaatwg at 1:44PM on 10/07/09
Thank goodness my friends all love to eat and tip well. When my husband and I eat out, if he foots the bill, I pay the tip. He's European, so rather than have him rant endlessly about why it's not his problem that American businesses take advantage of their workers, I pay the tip and he shuts up.
Also, in our tough economic times as more people use coupons for dining, I also tip on the amount of the full price of the meal, not the reduced price of the meal. I tip on the free meal of the "buy one meal, get one meal free" deals, because I know cheap diners out there will tip only on the amount they're paying. Yes, this is overkill. I've never worked in the service industry, but not everyone has the skills or resources or luck to find a good paying job at all times.
louanne at 2:27PM on 10/07/09
I worked at a place where one of my regulars was always eating with various friends whose tips he felt were inadequate. He did a number of things to redress this. The return inside to use the bathroom was always a classic, but then sometimes he'd say that he needed another quick drink of water or a sample from the pastry counter, or, my favorite, because he was a regular, he'd just tell his dining companion that he'd be right back because he needed to say a proper goodbye to me.
AuRevoirOeuf at 2:50PM on 10/07/09
I have a slightly different question: I grew up knowing that tipped employees were paid only a fraction of minimum wage and had a 10% (terrible service) min tip with a 20% (good service) standard, but here in SF wait staff is paid the city minimum wage (higher than the national min wage) and most restaurants add a health care cost surcharge to support the city's universal health care coverage. I really think tipping in excess of 15-20% is extreme in this situation.
Also, many restaurants that add tip have started adding the tip (usually a few percent higher than 15%) to the total bill, not the pre-tax amount. which increases the tip by ~10% or >1.5% of the bill. If the service is especially good I usually add a bit more in addition to the pre-determined amount, but not if the tip is based on something other than the food and beverages ordered.
That being said, whenever I eat out with a friend who i know under-accounts for tip and tax when figuring their share of the bill, I always pay with cash and throw in a few extra bucks. BistroMath never ceases to amaze!
Smurfette at 3:01PM on 10/07/09
I've only had one friend with home this was actually an issue, and we're not friends anymore, because, not surprisingly, the bad-tipper-friend has a lot of other selfish and self-entitled issues that made him not pleasant to be around. @A-buddy: is that you, my old ex-buddy?
Tactful_Cactus at 3:10PM on 10/07/09
@climbhighak--how can you throat punch a buddy if his head is up his ass?
sailordave at 11:52PM on 10/07/09
if you don't anticipate your dinner companion cheaping out, walk out the door and then immediately say 'i think i forgot cell/wallet/something' and go back in to make up the tip.
if you know you are going to eat with someone cheap, drink all the water or something, say you are gonna go to the washroom and find the waiter instead...tell him/her your friend is notoriously cheap but you don't want bring it up at the dinner table, here's part of your tip beforehand.
alternate solution: just let the other person think you are a ridiculously generous tipper.
and also, don't get mad at cheap friends, they are who they are. don't invite them out to eat if it bothers you so much. i just consider it part of the cost of the meal....
asianempress at 3:14AM on 10/08/09