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'Are You a Menu Whisperer?': Take 2

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[Part of the menu at Mario Batali's Babbo. Photograph: Robyn Lee]

Yesterday Ed asked "Are you a menu whisperer?" Like a couple of you, I thought the topic was headed somewhere else—namely some folks' seemingly magic ability to order just the right thing wherever they go.

I'll admit right off: I am not a menu whisperer. But my girlfriend is. Her meal inevitably ends up being more delicious than whatever I order. I don't know if this is a case of grass-is-always-greener syndrome or an innate gift that she has. (She says her mom has noticed the same thing whenever they eat together.)

I have some workarounds that sometimes steer me in the right direction, and I hesitate to mention them here because they're pretty much duh: online research, asking the wait staff, or watching what other people eat. Also: generally avoiding the chicken dish (it's usually there for timid eaters), and staying away from whatever jumps out as being out of place (fish at a steakhouse, a burger at a seafood joint—although I've found at least one exception to that last one).

Anyway: Are you a true menu whisperer? Do you always manage to coax the good items from the list of dishes? If so, what are your tricks? Or do you just fall flat like me?

37 Comments:

Like you, Adam, I never order chicken at a restaurant unless I am going to a place known for their chicken - usually at fried chicken places. The biggest thing anyone can do to get the most out of a menu is to do research ahead of time. Also, in my experience, daily specials turn out to be better than most menu items. I know some people are of the opinion that daily specials are nothing more than older items they have to get rid of. But, even if that is true, I have found specials to be more creative and appealing than standard menu items.

No offense to above, or to you Adam, but it is abundantly obvious that neither of you are true menu whisperers. Those of us who are imbued with this extrasensory ability know that it cannot be learned, taught or even explained on the normal planes of human consciousness. If there's one thing I can tell you, it's that you gotta go with what moves you, and don't over-think it. I've said too much!

On the upside, we'll always let you taste what we ordered. We know we're good at it.

@nikonratm: I didn't cla to be a menu whisperer. That's why I'm asking for tips!

I always tend to avoid, if at all possible, any type of 'plain' sounding food--as in garden salad, spinach dip, garlic bread--without any descriptions, if the rest of the menu tends to go into more detail about the entrees. I like to go for more daring combinations, if I can find something vegetarian.

It's annoying when you sit next to a table with really florid, enticing-looking entrees and you're cursing to yourself--why didn't I order that!

Any advice going to Chinese or Indian places--I sometimes just ask a place that is supposed to be good to prepare me something vegetarian.

BTW: I never order 'Buddha's Delight' at a Chinese restaurant, because that will invariably be a boring, watered-down, and virtually sauce-free lump of veggies. Also never order fried rice or any 'Cantonese' dishes.

A few more rules (more personal)-I never order full entrees at a diner, usually only breakfast and lunch-type stuff, usually because it will be just WAY too much food for me, to even lift ;)

I never order ice cream at a restaurant, or brownie sundaes (bad ice cream used to cover up bad brownies).

For a time I was considered a restaurant whisper by my friends and family. I guess I read so many food sites that I always knew just the right spot for the group and occasion, even if I'd never been before. It was a magical time!

I almost always go to Chinese restaurants with native Mandarin speaker(s) and make them order :-)
For some reason, being a native Japanese speaker doesn't make things better at Japanese restaurants. sad.

I tend to ask what's the waiter/waitress's favorite- not sure if that helps, though.

As nikonratm says, it is an extrasensory ability that cannot be learned- like the ability to see UFO's. It is just somethng your born with, but that does not mean it is hereditary by any means. More than once when I have gone out to restaurants with my parents they decide they really don't like a place...until they try my dish. Then they soften up and have a better opinion. My father has even said:"If you you can't find a good thing on a menu than its not a good restaurant"

Anyway, there are a few tips that I can give. First, look at the whole scope of a dish, yes you may have a hankerin for pork but if nothing in the whole description sounds that exciting other than the pork, than its probably not an exciting dish. As a rule "-anything- parmesan" is out as many restaurants just make a sloppy mess out of it. At asian restaurants that don't lean extremely authentic anything that says "-chicken, beef, or pork- with -generic name- sauce and vegetables" is out unless they throw a catcher in there like "five-spice" or some really interesting unique sauce. And of coures use your own cooking experience to think about how certain ingredients and cooking methods go together and judge the potential of certain dishes. Hope this helps!

I love your post! My girlfriend, who is not into food, invariably gets the better dish when we go out. Its exasperating. (Nikonratm, yes, she does let me have a taste of hers which just makes things worse.) I could follow her lead, but then I would never know...

My sister-in-law reads a menu slowly and deliberately and inevitably orders something that everyone else at the table wishes they had. I've tried to dissect how she does this. I've decided that she can imagine the dish in every dimension: appearance, aroma, mouth-feel, taste, after-glow. My stupid pride will not allow me to just order what she's having!

Okay, here's my take:

1. Order your whole meal from the appetizer section. As a rule much more goes into making these so-called "little" bites interesting and enjoyable than the obligatory filet and potatoes (or salmon etc)

2. READ the menu: imagine eating this dish. Do the ingredients intrigue you? You cook, what do you think? Do the ingredients balance? But don't be afraid to try something which you might not have seen before. (I rarely watch IronChef but the other day they had one where the secret ingredient was fennel and it was eye-popping (taste-bud popping??))
Does it balance with the other dishes you are eating?

3. One light course and one heavy one is my rule. Too much food is too much food and your enjoyment will suffer. You want to walk away from the meal feeling satisfied, not stuffed. Remember, there is always another meal to come. If you don't eat a cream based sauce today, you can tomorrow!

4. You can ask the waiter what other people order but, seriously, are you "other" people??? Ask yourself if you like it!

When younger I'd always order food that amazingly satisfied me...looking back the trend was obvious...I ordered the least expensive dishes and therefore was always happy with the value :)

Nowdays I am a true menu whisperer but my kryptonite is fish...I never get it right with fish...but anything else has the rest of the table drooling.

When asked to list his most memorable meals, one thing my boyfriend always brings up is my meal from Vetri. He can't even remember what he himself ordered.

I am something of a menu whisperer. My GF has commented before about how I almost always order something better than what she gets.

Although I think I've figured out that if the server says "Oh, excellent order"...it means that it was most definitely NOT a quality decision. Has anyone else noticed that?

I cook a lot myself, so I always look for familiar (or at least interesting) ingredients combined in novel ways. I went to Molly Moon's in Seattle (an amazing all-homemade ice-cream shop in Capitol Hill) just recently, and while my friends stuck with strawberry vanilla and salted caramel, both of which were great, I gave their raspberry sage milkshake a try, and was rewarded with a superb and unique-tasting dessert. It mostly comes down to knowing what you like and being willing to try it in a context that's unfamiliar.

Well, this is the first time I've ever heard the term "menu whisperer"

I'm either lucky in ordering, or maybe I can now claim the title of menu whisper ... that'll confound anyone I'm eating with.

Here's how I choose.

Is it something that the restaurant, joint, or hole in the wall is noted for.

Is is something that is made fresh?

Is it something that I usually wouldn't cook because it's very time consuming and would rather have it served by an excellent chef?

Is it creative or intriguing?

Variety is the spice of life.

NO Chain restaurants!

Menu Whisperer. I like that. A lot. Can I get it on a T-shirt?
I always wondered if there were others out there like me. Others who are cursed with jealous looks from fellow eaters, constant requests to "try a bite," humiliated for asking the waiter too many questions...
I never realized this until I went to my FAVORITE mexican restaurant, ordered my FAVORITE dish and recommended dishes to others who had never been there. They, of course, ignored my recommendations and ordered other things. None of them liked what they got, but they all tasted mine and longed for it for the rest of the meal.
I generally pick a recurring ingredient on the menu that I adore and eliminate other items withOUT that ingredient, then I choose something exciting from the remaining dishes. ex: gorgonzola.
I secretly wish EVERYONE let me order for them.

I've never thought about this, but I'm seldom unhappy with my meal, and often happier than others at the table. Whether this is an imbalance of expectations or whether I order better I couldn't say.

I do not usually order something where it looks like the meat has to be cooked perfectly in order for me to be happy with it.

I tend to stay away from overly florid descriptions that sound to me like someone's trying to pump up the dish with words.

I'm very partial to mushrooms.

I'm adventurous with only one ingredient or two at a time.

I don't hesitate to order something familiar - if well executed these dishes can be gems (after all, this site has two sisters devoted to well executed pizzas and burgers).

I have some great chicken dishes.

Rereading the comments I'm wondering if a lot of this has to do with how much experience we have as cooks. You develop over time an ability to read recipes and imagine how they'll taste and how easy they'll be to execute, and menu reading is sort of recipe reading. (On the other hand, if you're a really good cook it can be a challenge to find a place where they make things as well as you would at home).

Lemonfair- Good point, being adventrous with only one or two things at a time is probably good. If its the main vegetable or protein that is new to you and you order a dish that has that in it and other familiar ingredients than the unusual ingredient will likely stand out more and you may like the dish.

I read this post with my husband and he exclaimed, "that is exactly what you do!" Which got me to thinking about my method of ordering. I realized that I order based entirely on wish dish has the best side dish/axillary items with it rather than order based on the protein or how the main component of the dish is prepared. I think that that ends up making my dining experience better.

-I almost always order a main course or appetizer I wouldn't/couldn't make at home.
-I order what I like. Ex.: two appetizers, soup and a salad instead of an entree.
-Daily specials are high on my list, as is sea food.
-I ask what the servers favorites are. They are happy to tell you and you'll often get more information about a dish.
-I ask what's most popular. Find out what other patrons come in for.


Clever use of the "secondi" menu image for part 2 Adam!
*pat on back*

@hungrychristel: Thanks, but Robyn had more to do with it. I just used one of her more interesting menu photos.

Apparently I am a menu whisperer, my ex-girlfriend used to complain that her dishes where never near as good as mine - and I usually agreed. Though I'm actually only good at picking the best dishes at restaurants with American and European cuisine, because I grew up with this food and think because of that, I can spot the interesting stuff. At Asian, Mexican, etc. restaurants, I am horribly inept!

I guess I'm fairly good at it... for other people, but not for myself. I can order for my wife and most of my friends and they'll be thrilled with what I select for them. My own luck is rather more hit-or-miss.

@Robyn: Do you take pictures of all the menus you're exposed to? If so: thats a rockin' hobby!

I would consider myself a "whisperer". My BF gave up on ordering for himself years ago when during every meal he would say that what I got was better. He doesn't even open his menu anymore when we go out, he trusts me.

I try and stick with my gut instincts, and I always ask the server what they like best (if it looks like they know what they're doing). I also avoid boring dishes, anything the restaurant does not specialize in, and "americanized" dishes at ethnic restaurants.

Many, many years ago, I found myself at a table of people much more food-wise and connected than myself, and at a restaurant in Napa (La Tra Vigne). As clueless as I was about food and ordering, I had the presence of mind to be sufficiently awed and intimidated to order.

The chef (a younger Michael Chiarello, a person I had never heard of), came to our table, owing to the stature of my dining party. He and I somehow made eye contact and he somehow could tell I was a little overwhelmed and intimidated. He sat down next to me and we chatted nervously.

Finally, he said "do you know what you are going to order?" I sort of hemmed and hawed, and finally said "I have no idea. I am totally out of my element and I know I am going to order the wrong thing." After assuring me that I could do no such thing at THIS restaurant, he leaned in conspiratorially and told me the gospel:

"When in doubt, at a restaurant of good repute, always, ALWAYS, order the braised short ribs."

It was the gospel I needed to hear, and ever since, I have followed and spread the divine word.

That's funny that you call it "Menu Whisperer" -- I have a bad habit of whispering out loud the menu as I read it, without realizing it of course until someone asks me why I'm doing it!

My husband is a menu whisperer! In fact, when I read the title of Ed's post yesterday I thought he was referring to this ability to have the better order. I am always envious of my husband's plate when we get our food. Thank goodness as part of our marriage contract, he is obliged to share his food with me in restaurants :)

It's funny between my husband and I, I would have to say he is the menu whisperer. When we are planning a real splurge of a night out I will be studying the menu and reading all the reviews for weeks before. He will refuse to even look at the menu. Then, he will fairly casually and quickly choose from the menu when we arrive. Yet, he often ends up with a tastier selection than me!

it's quite an insight to know about the 'menu whisperer'. I think I have that uncanny ability. and it can be learned, acquired and mastered. I will do more research on it...

i am sooo the menu whisperer! ever since i was about ten i've done the lion's share of ordering for my family and now sometimes for my friends. it's all about quickly judging the restaurant--the location, pace, availability of ingredients, a sideways glance into the kitchen, any sense of enthusiasm that can be gleaned from the menu--and then ordering accordingly.

I am the menu whisperer in my family. My secret, anytime i see an item with Goat Cheese, or Mushrooms, I know it will be good. I know it sounds ridiculous but its true. Its not the only thing I order, but they are always the best.

This is a great topic. I am certainly NOT a menu whisperer. Unless I have an old standby, I almost always like what my boyfriend has more. But...sometimes he feels that way about my food. So truth be told we're probably both in the grass-is-greener camp but regardless, I'm still not a menu whisperer...

I think I have this skill, but only at restuarants in America. I recently discovered that it wasn't so useful abroad...

Anyhow, people have asked me before, and mostly, I don't have any great answers, but I do have only one rule: if there's a dish named after the place, get it. Even if it's chicken. It will be awesome.

No 'Menu Whisperer' here! I eat what I like, but many times when I try something that isn't part of my regular menu items, I am disappointed.
My son, who usually is my dining companion most times, seems to get exactly what he wants every single time. But he eats more meat than I do and usually the house specialty. I believe it is a learned behavior and I just haven't had the time to learn it!

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