Is Artisanal, Handmade Food Always Better?
"Just because a conscientious, responsible pig farmer decides to make bacon, or just because a talented chef with good intentions decides he's going to make his own salumi, doesn't mean the bacon or salumi is going to be good"

Salumi from Salumeria Biellese—where they actually do know what good is and turn it out every day.
A couple of weeks ago, I stopped by my local farmers' market, as I usually do on Saturday afternoons. I bought an insanely expensive half pound of bacon from a bearded dude who had the kind of sign up I can never resist: "World's Best Bacon." I plunked down my $12, feeling good that I was supporting a pig farmer who treated the pigs and his land right.
A woman came by the stand and said, "It's good, but it's really salty." The bearded pig farmer responded, "Oh, yeah, if it's too salty just soak the bacon in warm water before you cook it."
That should have been the warning sign I needed, but instead I moved on to the next stand at the market, owned by a fruit and vegetable farmer I have known for years. I bought some of his mom's low-sugar raspberry peach preserves after a lengthy discussion with him about the quality of his mom's jams.
Lastly, I bought a bag of caramel corn and a piece of apple candy from another fruit farmer. That, I ripped open before I got home. The popcorn was excellent, crunchy, salty, and just sweet enough. The caramelized apple tasted like an apple slice that had just been plucked from a tarte tatin. The popcorn and the apple left me with that warm post-farmers' market, Alice Watersian glow that I'm sure most serious eaters are familiar with.
I brought home the jam and the bacon figuring I would use them to make breakfast for my wife, Vicky, the next day. But the next morning, my hopes and dreams for a delicious breakfast were dashed when I tasted the jam—yuck. And the bacon—even yuckier. How could this be?
The bacon-seller had a beard, worn-in jeans, and a sign that said "World's Best Bacon." He was lying, or maybe he just didn't know any better. Or maybe he just didn't know what delicious was.
Maybe my farmer friend didn't want to acknowledge how bad his mom's jam was. Or again, maybe he just didn't know. Actually, I went back this past weekend and he told me the jam I despised was made by someone other than his mother. Now he tells me.
Maybe the bearded bacon man didn't know that his bacon was inedibly salty and cut so poorly it could never cook up properly.
A realization then hit me like a ton of organic broccoli—the food revolution may be upon us (and it may even be televised), but sometimes handmade, artisanal food is so bad it makes you appreciate not only the truly great artisanal food makers but also the Smuckers and Oscar Mayers of the world. The even more compelling question: Are serious eaters down with eating bad food if it's made by hand by someone with the best intentions?
This serious eater is not down with eating bad food, no matter who made it. There's a lot of bad food out in the world these days, made by people who are careful stewards of their land, ingredients, and animals, people who haven't bothered to master the craft required to produce seriously delicious food. And that's not all right with me.
Just because a conscientious, responsible pig farmer decides to make bacon, or just because a talented chef with good intentions decides he's going to make his own salumi, doesn't mean the bacon or salumi is going to be good. Making good salumi or good bacon is really hard. It requires lots and lots of practice, a strong guiding hand, and the knowledge to both make the product and know when it's good.
Salumeria Biellese makes great salumi, but the families of the owners have been making salumi for more than a hundred years. That's a lot of know-how handed down from one generation to the next. Allan Benton makes great bacon and ham, but if you've ever read an article about the dude, you know that he's insanely passionate and ridiculously conscientious and knowledgeable when it comes to making serious pig products.
It's often the same with farmers and their baked goods, breads, and jams. My local farmers' market also has a celebrated artisanal cheesemaker selling extraordinary cheese and absolutely horrendous, leaden focaccia that no one, absolutely no one, would consider delicious. When I told one of the young women working at the stand that the focaccia was pretty awful, she said, "You should taste it when it first comes out of our wood-burning oven. Then it's amazing." Unless I'm willing to leave my house at four in the morning to get to her farm at six that's not going to happen.
I'm sure my farmer friend's mom's friend is an extraordinary woman. It's just that she never learned how to make good jam, and my guess is nobody has ever told her how.
The point is, serious eaters should not and cannot assume that just because something is handmade or homemade by someone with the best of intentions that it's going to be good. And that means the disappointment we feel when we taste it will be that much more profound.
I am so down with the food revolution you have no idea. It's just that I think it's high time we realize and acknowledge that good intentions and responsible stewardship, and even passion, are not by themselves enough when it comes to making great artisanal food.
You need three things:
- Experience: Which means time allowing for lots of trial and error and sufficient apprentice time
- Time: To understand how to make it good
- Knowledge: That is, you have to know how to do something, and when it's delicious
I celebrate handmade, artisanal food as much as any serious eater I know. It just depends on whose hands are making it.
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49 Comments:
This is kind of a silly question. If a well-intentioned but talentless artisan attempts to make something, it's going to taste like crap. By the same token, I never expected to believe I could buy good quality bread from Costco but I'm ALWAYS left shaking my head with disbelief after crunching into its tasty crusti-ness.
Do I see a distinct difference - read: unhomogenousness - about artisan foods? A rustic, sometimes asymetrical handmade-ness to artisan products? Definitely. Do I prefer it? Love it. Stamping out a million of the same thing with no variations is way too 1984 for me and I'll generally opt for a plate of handmade, homemade gnocchi vs. something from a package that all looks alike. However, if I find a brand of those cloned gnocchi that actually taste good I'd admit it and probably continue buying it.
therealchiffonade at 8:18AM on 03/30/09
Thanks, Ed. These days, when it comes to things like "artisanal," "organic," "local," etc. we really need someone to point a finger at the emperor's bare tusch.
Dee at 8:26AM on 03/30/09
Ed, I am happy you opened this can of ????! I have had both hits and misses on the artisanal level, but I will continue searching for what's good out there, whether its from a stand at the farmers' market, or from a supermarket...Sometimes I find our cooking experiments here at home to be of more value.
gutreactions at 8:40AM on 03/30/09
I still doubt Smucker's and Oscar Meyer have much to offer; bland isn't much better than offensive. The huge disparities in the quality of artisanal food just makes eating it that much more interesting!
Tombolo at 8:46AM on 03/30/09
What's interesting is how this question actually reflects the psychological victory of the food industry. There's only one kind of food that is "always" anything: large-scale industrially processed food. That's essentially the trade-off with this kind of food: you sacrifice quality for consistency. When you buy a box of Kraft mac & cheese or Ragu spaghetti sauce, you know exactly how it's going to taste: exactly like the last box/jar.
On the other hand, any kind of "artisanal" or non-industrialized food is going to be variable in quality or flavor, even from a single source. The fruit farmer who makes awesome handmade jam might have a great year or a mediocre year, depending on the quality of his crop. When you get produce from a CSA, it's not because you're going to get predictably great produce. Sometimes the produce is amazing; sometimes it's kinda pathetic. That's what happens when your food isn't conjured up in a lab.
Weirdsmobile at 8:48AM on 03/30/09
Totally agree with you, Ed! And the attitudes of @Tombolo and @Weirdsmobile are what keep these clueless "artisans" (i.e., hucksters) churning out their crappy food stuffs. If enough people without taste show up and plunk down money, then demand is not based on actual quality and taste, but on a philosophy that takes neither standard into consideration . . . and that is not serious eats, that lying to yourself.
Here in California, there are tons of "philosophy" buyers/eaters who pay absolutely no attention to quality. If the philosophy and the result jibe, fantastic! I'll buy that product! Buy when they don't - and that is much more frequently than the philosophy people admit - then the seller is being rewarded for fulfilling only half of his unspoken agreement with the buyer.
Thank you for speaking up.
"Seek the truth, seek it always, seek it sincerely."
serious1 at 9:08AM on 03/30/09
Amen Ed. Another facet of this artisan worship is in restaurants focused on "house made". Yes, I think it lovely if the bread, salumi, etc. is made in house, but only if it's good.
One of our local finer-dining places up here touts its house made bread and mozzarella. Unfortunately, the bread is cottony and bland and the mozzarella rubbery and relatively tasteless. I'd be so much happier with bought in (and better product) in this case.
maryr123 at 9:09AM on 03/30/09
I couldn't agree more that serious eaters are looking for high quality, whether packaged by a jumbo jet sized machine or made in small batches at the skilled hands of a true artisan.
I will generally err on the side of the artisan, knowing that things like the "World's Best Bacon" sign need to be taken with a grain of salt, literally, considering the process. There is a very fine line in charcuterie between adding a "safe" amount of salt (especially if they are trying to market a "nitrite free" product) and way, WAY too much. This is especially true of wet-cured products.
A word of advice: If you are going to pay $$$ for artisan bacon make sure you get a dry cured product, produced from specialty hogs (think Berkshire) and if you are really a sick individual (like me) pay $16 / lb for uncured mangalitsa pork belly from one of the (maybe) 5 suppliers in the US, and cure/smoke it yourself. Then you can say: "I just made the best bacon in the world" - and you won't be far off the truth.
imafoodblog_dotcom at 9:20AM on 03/30/09
well if you can remember the days of pre-processed, when our little towns and cities actually manufactured food for it's citizens - when neighborhoods actually had 2-3 cheese makers, 8-10 bread bakeries, dozens of butcher shops, vegetable markets, et. al - you went to the ones that you found had the products you liked best. well, we might be back on that track. there might be some hits and misses until the wheat is sifted from the shaft, so to speak.
it's unfortunate that you got lousy bacon and jam ... but are you going to stop trying to find the products that might actually be good?
it sucks when you spend top dollar for products that you're hoping are going to knock your socks off..... but it sucks large when all you have to choose from is factory food made with absolutely no soul. go back
to your artisans and speak your mind and encourage them to get it
right...... they should make it up to you in some way.... you might be
looking at a nice big pork chop for dinner instead of salty bacon.
pooch at 9:26AM on 03/30/09
Won't it be nice when a piece like this is totally irrelevant? When handmade, small-batch, from-the-source products are so widespread and easy to find that we stop referring to them collectively as anything at all -- good or bad? When we would say to Future Ed, Duh, of course some are going to be good and some bad; look for the good ones!
Fiksu at 9:32AM on 03/30/09
Weirdsmobile, THe definition of quality is the conformance to standards, so the mas market uniform products are the highest level of quality. But in you derision of industrial foods, don't forget artisan foods are variable in safety. Low sugar jams and jellies need additives to prevent the growth of hamful bacteria, sugar lowers the water activity so the bacteria can't reproduce, remove that and its a wild card what will grow. The Salty dry cured bacon the artisinal farmer sold you besides having too much salt has too many nitrites or nitrates (depending what he used, and was it Food Grade?) to be safe. It is amazing how lax or uneducated we have become when it comes to food safety. People will slam a major manufacturer for a recall, but will buy from the guy who doesn't know better and released a potentially harmfull product because it is natural, home made, or "non industrialized".
Yes, I make my own jams and jellies when the mood strikes me, so I have done my own homework on how to can safely. I also work closely with many industrial manufacturers of different foods. Buying food from someone without training to make it safely is not the smartest or safest thing to do. Even if the farmer tells you the family has made something for a hundred years, this may be the kid who was too dumb to put in the family business and is off on his own, and I have worked with a number of them in my career.
Meat guy at 9:32AM on 03/30/09
speaking as a very non-serious eater (maybe that makes me an amateur eater), I know the first thing that comes to my mind when someone tells me my Smuckers Jam is less 'serious' than some artisanal jam... "This jam better be good enough to trigger world peace if it's $7 dollars a jar"
And if that $7 jam isn't all that... well, it makes amateur eaters like myself more cynical for the next opportunity to try artisanal food.
You guys do this thing on SE-NY with what's fresh at the farmer's market. It would be interesting if you guys showed us like a best of the Union Square green market products. Maybe one per season or something.
And can we PLEASE start talking about allowing food stamps at the biggest farmers market in New York? Should good artisanal food be privy only to those with disposable income for $12 bacon?
foodinmouth at 9:47AM on 03/30/09
I've been bit by farmer's market bacon myself. Hair, nipples, and poorly sliced.
8ptstars at 9:52AM on 03/30/09
"THe definition of quality is the conformance to standards, so the mas [sic] market uniform products are the highest level of quality " is a patently false statement. The conformance to standards is indicative of producing a uniformly consistent product and nothing more - whether it is a safe, high quality product, or an unsafe, horrible product will depend, of course, on what those standards are and metric by which they are measured.
In the food industry, conformance to standards that produce unsafe, or sub-par results is a major contributing factor to the proliferation of mundanity across the board and in some cases, unhealthy or even unsafe products. This is besides the point that it would be fool's errand to tout the "quality" of mass produced industrialized foodstuffs compared to some types of similar products being made on a small scale by a SKILLED artisan producer. Of course, there are cases where the opposite is true, as some products lend themselves to overall better results through the uniformity brought about by industrialization, (canned tomatoes and flour come immediately to mind) but this article is dealing specifically with bacon and jam - two things that are unequivocally of a higher "quality" - in both taste and nutritional value - when produced PROPERLY in small batches, without addtiives, by a SKILLED artisan. The increased prevalence of less than stellar "artisan" products is intrinsically tied to the widening public desire (and marketplace) for those types of products, caveat emptor.
I'm glad that you have done your homework and can reap the rewards of making your own jams and jellies without risking giving yourself botulism etc. and do agree that buying anything from someone with zero training in food handling and safety will increase one's chances of both a) getting a crappy product, and b) becoming ill from consuming it, but again, the due diligence and responsibility for insuring one's safety is something everyone should care about and take seriously enough to put forth the requisite effort to educate themselves on, instead of lackadaisically relying on the imposition of "quality standards" in industrialized food processing plants for their own safety. If one is not willing to consider anything other than a "World's Best Bacon" sign to make a decision on what to buy/eat, one is better off living with the generally mediocre quality industrialized pre-packaged foodstuffs, and hope for the best that they have a) implemented standards that produce, at least, a safe product and b) said standards were followed completely throughout the production, storage, shipping and retail processes.
imafoodblog_dotcom at 10:26AM on 03/30/09
this whole organic unprocessed fad is a phony game to separate well meaning folks from their money. my wife and daughter drink chocalate soy milk, direct from the "organic" section at Fairway, because they like the taste better. Crushed and processed soy bean mush is more "green" than regular old pasteurized 2%?. Gimme a freakin' break! Tofu and tempeh? Delicious, but two of the most processed foods in the supermarket. It is great to have a healthy diet, but those big fat organic muffins at whole foods are just as bad for you as twinkies. Sorry for the rant!
jnros at 10:30AM on 03/30/09
"this whole organic unprocessed fad is a phony game to separate well meaning folks from their money. my wife and daughter drink chocalate soy milk, direct from the "organic" section at Fairway, because they like the taste better. Crushed and processed soy bean mush is more "green" than regular old pasteurized 2%?. "
No, it's not a phony game, you're just not taking the time to understand it. Industrially produced chocolate soy milk is NOT the "whole, organic, unprocessed" alternative to pasteurized 2% milk from industrially-raised cows. One of the many whole, unprocessed alternatives to that milk is MILK from cows that have been raised humanely on pasture, without excessive antibiotics or hormones, maybe raw, maybe organic... from a small local farmer (that you know and trust) or a reputable group of producers (such as Organic Valley).
Two of the many factors contributing to the perceived faddishness of this movement include companies attempting to greenwash their products and the consumers who have been taught to inherently believe the claims made by corporations, supermarkets, and the like.
And whether soy milk in general is more sustainable than cow's milk is another question for another day.
Celeriac at 10:59AM on 03/30/09
You should name names. Otherwise this post only riles up effete foodies.
WestIndianArchie at 11:11AM on 03/30/09
Don't you try before you buy, most of the time they offer samples.
pookguy at 11:15AM on 03/30/09
I've experienced this exact sadness and confusion at my own local farmer's market in Nashville. It makes me feel like a traitor when I discover the local Mennonite women selling baked goods are using more preservatives than Betty Crocker.
Sarilas at 11:33AM on 03/30/09
As the owner of a small batch 'artisan' bakery, I deal with this issue from the other side all the time. We have been in business for a fairly long while now and most of our recipes have been standardized, however, nothing comes out exactly the same way every single time. We are people, not machines, and if you walk into my bakery to buy something, I'm assuming that you understand that. Also, what isn't good to one person can be the absolute delight of another...taste is subjective! Perhaps if you threw that focaccia in the oven for a few minutes it would again taste 'amazing'!
Carri at 11:40AM on 03/30/09
Variation in quality is one of the key distinguishing features between manufactured products and works of art and craft. This is unscientific to say, but I would think that the fact that good restaurants seek out the artisanal, the fact that so many people relish their memories of fine artisanal products, would probably indicate that the amount of food you can get that is much better than the manufactured food's (albeit more consistent) level of quality makes the overall average level of quality at a farmer's market higher than that of processed food of a supermarket. I would think most of the people at this site would happily trade the guarantee of mediocrity for the promise of excellence that comes along with the risk of failure.
On a more visceral level, don't we all thrill in the joy of discovery? Doesn't the wide array of misses make your hits that much sweeter? I'm sure that even the knowledge that such bad bacon exists in the abstract makes Ed more excited to tell people when he finds a really nice slab of bacon somewhere. We need to have good and bad because we need to have expectations. We need expectations so we can derive real joy from having them exceeded or defied in new ways. This is what it means to have a vibrant and healthy culture. All good critics feel that deep in their makeup - it's what drives them to figure out what's good and bad and get so excited about the good that they just have to tell people about it. And then tell people when they find the bad as well so that people can understand your methods and engage in a dialogue with you.
So rejoice in your terrible bacon, Ed, because it's what makes us human.
Terence Fox at 11:55AM on 03/30/09
There is a difference between the artisan products that Ed came across and say, bread from poster Carri's small batch bakery. While I agree that there will be obvious differences in both quality and opinions in artisan products, the problem with those that Ed tastes is that it really did not come from artisans at all. An artisan dedicates his or her life to the craft, making the world's best bacon is their trade. Ed came across a pig farmer, who thought that since he knows about pigs he must know about bacon. As Ed pointed out at the end, it is the experience and knowledge in the artisan product you are buying that is important.
Big B at 12:31PM on 03/30/09
There's good there's bad, which initially shocked me because sometimes I'm not very bright. Just because something is organic or artesianal, or "made with love" or in small batches or whatever, doesn't mean it's going to taste good.
A for instance: At farmer's market by my office there's a stand that has awesome apples, apple cake and apple walnut bread, and now equally delicious grass fed red and black angus beef that they grow themselves (Samascott Orchards) . Maybe 3 or 4 stalls up is an artesianal baker who makes crap bread, rolls and pastries (I've tried them several times, they've never not sucked), and next to him is some Amish guy who sells amazing cheeses and sliced dill pickles loaded w/jalapeno and heaven from his farm, and who knows I think he makes the best cheddar in the world because I tell him every time I see him. At the far end of the market is this couple who charge more than any other stall for the same product, and that product often overripe and damaged. There's a Ronnybrook stall there also. The drinkable yogurt they sell at the stand is not as good as the drinkable yogurt they sell thru Fresh Direct. It's thinner and less tasty, so I don't buy from them anymore and go through FD instead.
chisai at 12:39PM on 03/30/09
The answer to the title of the post is - of course not. Just like in all of life there are no absolutes.
You were simply a victim of shrewd marketing. The greenmarket setting sold you. Seeing a "dude" with his authentic beard and jeans sold you. The insanely expensive price(How could it not be great for this price?) sold you. And- I'm disappointed at this one, the sign "World's Best Bacon" sold you.
Yes, the greenmarkets are great. But that doesn't make them somehow immune to the desire to make a buck (or 12).
thomassweet at 12:40PM on 03/30/09
The fallacy is in the title of the post: of course locally made goods aren't "always" better. When in real life is the word "always" ever going to be accurate? Ian spefii examples of poor quality, greed, etc among small producers in a reverse-snobbism attack on those who try to eat local, high-quality foods is unproductive and tiresome. Homemade isn't "always" tastier than store-bought, buri guess that doesnt make for a story with an nflammatory headline. Yes, there are those who pursue local, artisanal food to the point of absurdity, but it is equally absurd to insist that local and sustainable are meaningless marketing concepts in order to justify purchasin primarily mass-made goods. Like with most things, the middle ground here is wide, and there's no benefit to debunking extreme examples beyond satisfying an unproductive reactionary impulse.
producestories at 1:20PM on 03/30/09
@Meat guy: "THe definition of quality is the conformance to standards, so the mas market uniform products are the highest level of quality." - That depends on the standard to which the product is held. If you demand very high quality, fresh, tasty, locally-grown food, mass-market will fail every time. Sadly, so will most so-called artisanal products.
@Ed: A kitchen wizard can turn mediocre ingredients into good food, and good ingredients into great food. A kitchen klutz can turn perfect ingredients into inedible crap. This is axiomatic. Furthermore, there is a world of difference between producing good INGREDIENTS and producing good FOOD. As you note, a talented pig farmer may be a miserable smokemaster; a talented orchardman may make lousy jam. We have to encourage people to explore their boundaries... but at the same time, DIScourage them from sharing poor product... and the only way to do that is to vote with our wallets. If it's crappy food, don't buy it again... and tell them why.
DrGaellon at 1:40PM on 03/30/09
If the point of the article is that poor attempts at "artisinal" food/bevs can give one an appreciation for industrially manufactured versions, I agree.
Try making a dry-cured salami, and you'll gain an appreciation for Oscar Mayer being able to produce reasonably edible stuff at economical prices, even if you prefer to stick with your artisanal salumi. Try brewing a delicate pilsner, and you'll gain an appreciation for Budweiser, even if you prefer hoppy microbrews. There are some bad attempts out there, begging you to embrace them simply because they are small-scale. Kudos are reluctantly due to the companies that have successfully mega-industrialized production of these things.
Lorenzo at 1:42PM on 03/30/09
This is why, more and more, I'm becoming my own "artisan." I haven't bought bread for a long, long time. The last time was when my oven was busted. Then, when a decent loaf of bread was over $6, I almost fainted. Bread ingredients are cheap. Six bucks for faux artisan bread from a chain bakery is insane.
Last year a "chef" was selling some of his food at the farmer's market, and that included his famous smoked salmon. I tried a sample, and it tasted okay, but it was riddled with bones. And crazy expensive. For that price, they could at least go over the carcass with some needlenose pliers and pull out the bones. The next time I was there, they were cooking the salmon on site. On a barbecue grill. That was the entire "smoking" process. Just slow-cooking on a barbecue grill that had some wood chips somewhere. I understand that manning a booth at the farmer's market costs something, but I know what salmon costs, and the smoked stuff they were selling was easily 3-4 times what you'd pay for a decent raw fish in this area. Of course he has to make a profit, but I couldn't justify paying that amount when I can easily do the same thing at home. Even crazier was the "salmon spread" he was selling. A small container of salmon bits mixed with cream cheese and a few herbs, and it was also insanely expensive.
On the other hand, one of the fruit growers sells a cherry-almond jam that I like, and I'm happy to pay for it. I use maybe one or two jars a year of jam, so there's no sense in my making batches for that little consumption. But bread and salmon and pies, cookies, cakes...all the rest of that stuff I can make as I need it and exactly how I want it at the time.
I'm also perfectly happy to buy cheese from the local goat dairy. And honey from local producers. But the woman selling potato pancakes for $5 for two average-sized pancakes is not going to get my business any time soon. Or $7 for two small blintzes.
A lot of this "artisan" food seems to be a rebellion against buying processed, factory-made or commercial products. Which is fine. But it's a little crazy to think that you can't make your own potato pancakes and that you need an artisan to make them for you. If they were hot and you were eating them there as a meal, that would be one thing. But these are stone cold.
dbcurrie at 1:48PM on 03/30/09
Perhaps because I Live in both worlds, Industrial and culinary, I see no difference between a bad industrial product and a bad artisinal product. Both are selling it, for profit, to me, or at least trying to. Safety is always first, and the unknowing or unwilling should not be allowed to be in business, Peanut Company of America for instance. But to say a bad tasting, possibly unsafe product is better than any commercially produced product regardless of source, is plain stupidity. No publicly owned company would ever knowingly make a product that is hazardous, that is why Products get recalled, plants get closed and people get fired. Standards are always for safety first, this is supported by uniformity of product, if it is not the same everytime, it won't act the same way every time.
As for quality, Industrial foods are generally designed as not to offend products, give the impression of what you are delivering, but don't bring it to a point where it is offensive, perhaps that is what offends some people. As for the quality issue, an 89 cent loaf of white bread that is uniform from day to day and affordable and stays fresh for a week, is far better than a 4 dollar loaf of artisinal bread that stales overnight to a family of four on a fixed food budget. THe standard of quality is not high to you, but the standard it met every time, which by the definition is high quality. I personally prefer a fresh Bohemian rye out of the oven, but that is totally unrelated to the quality of Wonder Bread. Take apples and oranges, are apples higher quality because you prefer them to oranges? What an irrelevant question. But it shows just because you don't like something does not make it lower quality then the product you like. Who's food is better, the artisan who feeds a dozen a day, or the one who feeds thousands? Quality is measured in levels. if a commercial processor can't meet yours, no loss there are hundreds of thousands they can reach.
All Processed foods are not the garbage you are stating, yes, if it is all you eat, you are getting too much sodium, too much fat, and an unbalanced diet. Food education is more important than subsidizing hucksters and crooks making bad products.
And when does and artisan join the evil ranks of food processor? there are artisans all through the processed foods industries, some have small companies, some are hidden in the background at large companies, making great things that get turned to beige for the mass market. Some are at the farmers market or online selling their recipe made at one of our evil industrial complexes to their specifications.
As for quality in small batches, where is your green ethic? small bakers use far more energy than commercial bakers on a pound per pound basis, boutique meat processors produce more smoke and air pollution per pound than an industrial operation. And as for additives, they are added for two reasons, Food safety (nitrites, Lactates), or other technical reasons ( stabilizing viscosity, prevention of oxidation), at Government regulated levels. Natural meats and bacon are not so safe, and the additives are generally hidden through highly processed vegetable juice concentrates which contain Nitrates, which were banned in the evil industrial processed bacon and hot dogs 30 years ago. Finally, how much does your artisan know or care about labeling the food correctly? Did they identify allergens? Did they declare all of the items they added? Did they even label it?
Don't tell me someone is better at a job because they are on their own and not working in the food industry, I went to culinary school with many who thought themselves artisans, who could only generate enough skill to be a line cook at Denny's.
Meat guy at 1:52PM on 03/30/09
It's a topic& question that is indeed on the minds of many, especially folks who are well versed and schooled in the world of food both artisanal and mainstream corporate. I so often find myself tensing up when I hear or read this question or response. Not because I do not find the topic debatable, because I do and I have my own pet peeves with the artisanal world producing substandard products. I am still a believer in the bigger picture and believe that we are in a moment in time where we are on the verge of a shift or tilt in our modern day thinking, especially here in the USA. The tilt to which I am referring is the idea that our foods should be a little less mainstream and corporate and a bit more artisanal. Now I am not saying I think every glass of milk we should be drinking should come from a cow some artisanal farmer is raising and the cow has to have a name like Dafadil and be stroked 5 times clockwise on the side of its head before being milked after it dines solely on organic alfalfa with a dusting of bee pollen, but I do think we need to have more artisanal food producers in our repertoire of choices in both the existing artisanal sectors (farmers markets, local farms, specialty grocers, etc) and in the mainstream sectors as well (supermarkets, chain restaurants etc.)
So back to the main topic idea: can serious eaters “assume that just because something is handmade or homemade by someone with the best of intentions that it’s going to be good?” And the answer of course as we all agree is no, they cannot assume and nor should they or better yet why would they? Serious eaters are typically food snobs of sorts and have typically a pretty good knowledge of the food world both modern and artisanal and they know they are not always guaranteed the path to the best every single time. As Ed states, you need three things :
• Experience: Which means time allowing for lots of trial and error and sufficient apprentice time
• Time: To understand how to make it good
• Knowledge: That is, you have to know how to do something, and when it's delicious
But without the trial and error chance and without the opportunity for feedback and improvements, many of the artisanal masters of today, would not exist. The profound disappointment is part of the process. Like choosing restaurants, movies and a host of other things. We take a chance and yes there are times, we want a Dr. Pepper and we 100% want it to taste just like we remember and just like we expect. But there are other times when we take a chance because sometimes we can have the exact opposite of a profound disappointment happen, and that is maybe just maybe the bacon or the jam, would have been the best you had ever had, and just maybe Ed & Vicky could have sat having their breakfast with the biggest smiles on their faces knowing they had just eaten the best bacon and jam of their lives. It is the risk we take and for all serious eaters, the pure act of the discussion is a good portion of the fun. So in the end the worst bacon and jam ever, sure has stirred up a plethora of conversations.
nissa at 3:14PM on 03/30/09
Thanks for bringing this up! There has always been a certain snobbish tendency to assume that something home-made or artisanal is better- even back before the recent food revolution. While I can appreciate the importance of bacon-man or jam-guy plying their trades (because it is important), just because they CAN sell bacon or jam doesn't mean they should. Maybe that's a harsh thing to say, but it's true. I CAN sew a little, but when I'm done cross-stitching I'm not going to attempt to sell my aborted attempts, because I know that it's not something that people should be buying. Does this mean we should stick to eating nothing but processed food? Not at all. It just means that we need to be wiser about what we buy- take the time to find the best bread-baker and the dedicated cheese-maker and support their businesses. Don't just buy the first loaf of bread that has an "artisan" sticker on the wrapper.
Angry Brit at 3:26PM on 03/30/09
You can get good food on any level, it just takes time to weed out those that are sub-par. My mom's SO is one of those "if its organic/local/artisanal it MUST be better"...he has come home with some pretty awful food, but swears that its better! A few things have been inedible! I always wonder what he would think if I took a mass produced product and disguised it as local/organic/artisanal....
mhurst826 at 4:33PM on 03/30/09
@Meat guy
"No publicly owned company would ever knowingly make a product that is hazardous" I'm pretty sure the peanut producers knew their product was tainted prior to the recall. Milk that is chemically adulterated to appear as though it has an increase butterfat content (to cover up the fact it is watered down) is rampant by companies throughout the world (especially in developing countries). Not to mention closer to home, explain the prevalence and popularity of: raw eggs/beef/fish/shell fish and under cooked pork, especially among the "top" restaurants in this country and elsewhere around the world. What about raw milk and cheese in Canada/France? Are these products not inherently "hazardous?" Sure, they aren't razor blade studded apples, but there is certainly a risk and yet people are willing to turn a blind eye to products all the time in the pursuit of excellent tasting food - and so are the very companies who are profiting from it - they only care to eschew the practice enough to limit their own liability and not one bit more.
"As for the quality issue, an 89 cent loaf of white bread that is uniform from day to day and affordable and stays fresh for a week, is far better than a 4 dollar loaf of artisinal bread that stales overnight to a family of four on a fixed food budget. THe standard of quality is not high to you, but the standard it met every time, which by the definition is high quality."
You are really confusing "quality" with "utility" here, nonetheless this is an excellent point. As is:
"All Processed foods are not the garbage you are stating, yes, if it is all you eat, you are getting too much sodium, too much fat, and an unbalanced diet. Food education is more important than subsidizing hucksters and crooks making bad products."
Don't be confused, I am not anti-food industry even in the slightest. I am aware that the advances and benefits of industrialized food processing are many and varied, including the fact (that most other people don't realize) if you take the mechanics out of our food industry only the very wealthy would be able to afford things like daily milk, bread, eggs, and especially protein. I purchase items out of a pursuit for "quality" alone. And I am not referring to the consistently affordable, safe product that is widely available and distributed as "quality." I am referring to: "high grade; superiority; excellence" as it relates to taste and nutritional value regardless of the dangers associated with the product, though for the sake of full disclosure I am not young/old, immune compromised nor do I have any food allergies (other than wheat which I completely ignore because I'd rather have an upset tummy than forgo the beautiful Italian loaf that just popped out of my oven).
Thank you all for the excellent discussion today, it has made my afternoon.
imafoodblog_dotcom at 4:44PM on 03/30/09
First, I'd say there needs to a distinction between Handmade Foods and Artisan Handmade Foods. Artisan implies knowledge and specialization in the specific thing you craft. (i.e. Time, Experience, etc.)
Secondly, use your eyes and taste buds to tell you what's good. Sure, I bought a dozen free range eggs from the bearded hipster at my local open-air market last week, yeah. But they looked great and when I got home, I cracked them - most fantastic yolks I've ever seen and they tasted great. So next time, I bought two dozen.
mwiegand at 4:55PM on 03/30/09
I believe you are confusing quality with personal taste. Taste is relative to your experience. Quality is conformance to standards set for the product. Taste is a determination of quality, but depending on the product, your standards are not what is applied to the product.
To the vast majority of Americans, what passes as good taste does not meet the expectations of what "foodies" think it should be. To hold one's personal taste as the end all and be all of quality, is only a recognition of your tastes, and anyone else may think what you prefer is swill. God knows why, but that guy thought his bacon was the best. MAybe it was the Best way to make money. If that was the standard, it was high quality.
Under cooked food and unpasteurized milk are risky. Last year there was a TB outbreak in California linked to unpasteurized Mexican style soft cheeses. Any chef who doesn't cook free range pork to over 140 degrees is a fool as the vectors for trichinosis are available to free range pork and has been reported in pork from free range. Ignorance is bliss, but if you are ignorant, you shouldn't be serving food in risky manners, but you can eat all you want. Trust your life to a chef with an associates degree in restaurant and hospitality, rather than a product that is cooked safely accoding to the USDA and FDA..
PCA was a privately owned company, with an owner insisting everything be turned to cash. Many companies have tightened up inspections and testing even more to ensure they are never involved in a fiasco like that again. It has cost millions of dollars and embarrassed companies who trusted a sleazy individual. Several years ago, Sara Lee had a listerosis outbreak in a Bil Mar plant, they fired everyone involved and closed the plant permanently. Reputable companies behave ethically with the public. They are interested in profits, and the sick and dead don't spend money, and their relatives sue, making people sick isn't good business. The companies that make the news are usually provately held, public interests make the company more responsible, they have stockholders and investors to answer to as well as the public at large.
Meat guy at 5:52PM on 03/30/09
@meat guy
"I believe you are confusing quality with personal taste"
Perhaps, but no more than you are confusing it with utility in my previous example. There are sundry connotations associated with the phrase "quality" and perhaps I have crossed the line into personal preference. For the vast majority of people outside of production based industry the definition of quality differs vastly from "conformance to standards" (though most recognize that definition in the phrase quality control) and is more generally assumed to mean "excellence" - its like the difference between precision and accuracy.
"Under cooked food and unpasteurized milk are risky"
They are indeed, which is why I used them as example to refute your assertion that a public company would never provide a "hazardous" product to the public - which has absolutely no bearing on my personal preference to consume said products (with the exception of course of my contributing in a micro-economic sense). Of course there are outbreaks of problems from time to time, in a long enough time line all things that are possible become reality, but there is no doubt that public (and large private) companies contribute on the retail level to the consumption of these. There is no need to name names, the fact that sushi and raw milk products are available inside the US and elsewhere is testament enough that "companies" are willing to provide "hazardous" products, if they can turn a buck on it. Not even to mention the ol' Fight Club saying which may, in fact, be colloquial but brings home a message which has been independently corroborated by several named and unnamed sources since : "A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now: should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times
B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
That is just how business is done, very few companies/people feel a genuine ethical responsibility to anyone else, and until more people understand that, they are going to continue to look the other way while they are spoon fed potentially hazardous products by somebody trying to turn a buck. The food industry is certainly no more immune to this than any other. Why do you think the cost of litigation and insurance has skyrocketed in the past 20 years?
"Trust your life to a chef with an associates degree in restaurant and hospitality, rather than a product that is cooked safely accoding to the USDA and FDA.."
For the most part I do not. I buy a lot of my food directly from the producer, especially my beef, lamb and pork. I have the ability to physically inspect the premises if I so desire and trust that the living conditions for the animals are such that my chances of becoming ill are extremely low. I can name the restaurants I'd eat a medium piece of pork or a beef from on one hand. Oh and, the USDA "cook to" temperatures are absolutely ridiculous and considerably higher than their associated agencies in other countries. You have your $60 piece of beef tenderloin cooked to 145F to feel safe and completely ruin the dish, not to mention waste your money. I will continue to eat my (mostly) naturally produced meat at under the recommended temperature and if I get trich. or salmonella and what not, then so be it, I'd rather something easily treatable than to a) eat food that taste like crap for the rest of my life or b)worry about all the unnatural additives slowly building up in my body until they reach a level that causes some horrific problem that modern medicine is not yet capable of solving.
Look, we can agree to disagree- but I will continually chose to buy products of superior quality (read: handled by the fewest people) and cook it to its maximum potential. You can continually chose to cook your pork to 165F and beef to 145F, ruining both. Enjoy
imafoodblog_dotcom at 7:12PM on 03/30/09
One aspect of the local food movement that is emphasized around here (RI) is that you can know your farmer. I think you now know your pig farmer and preserve seller and needn't patronize them again.
swampyankee at 7:17PM on 03/30/09
Good cooking (id est, processing raw food in any way) is partially skill, partially art. Anyone can pick up a paintbrush, smother a canvas with gunk, and try to pass it off as art - but serious art enthusiasts would instantly be able to distinguish between genius and garbage. And the serious art enthusiast, if asked to do something with that same paintbrush and canvas, would probably approach the task mindful of the way it might be received by other enthusiasts.
Which is why it's probably safer to buy fresh produce from serious growers but artisanal food from fellow serious eaters. Or to ask for a taste before purchase, if at all possible, unless it really is art you're buying.
miso at 8:41PM on 03/30/09
did you ever wonder who produced food before the big industrialized agri-businesses??????
regular people. in their homes, backyards, barns, cities, in caves.
thru trial and error the human race has managed to feed itself and not poison the species by smoking meats, making jams, baking breads long before the "culinary frankensteins" invented all of the hormones, preservatives, and other unnecessary "CRAP" .... that passes for food today.
hey, if you feel safer eating food that's been dis-assembled and re-assembled because it was done in a big secure science-fiction food manufacturing plant, knock yourself out.... but don't knock the knowledge of the common man.
the time line:
industrial food vs. food made by the common man
a mere drop in the bucket, folks. duh.
are we better off now than we were 100 years ago?
pooch at 10:31PM on 03/30/09
If the question is: should you eat bad food simply because it is artisan or home-produced, of course the answer is no.
I think Ed's point is a larger one, however--industrial food is quality-controlled. One reason for its popularity is that too many children (and many adults) value consistency over what most people would call good taste. For example, have you ever taken a tiny tot to a really great restaurant that makes fab hamburgers, and have them complain they'd rather be at McDonald's?
If you eat artisanal food you have to accept sometimes the food will be poor, even made by a good producer.
Guess what? If you eat APPLES, you will find an apple with a worm/bruise. If you eat McDonald's apple pie, it will always be molten hot, symmetrical and taste the same.
Eating 'real' food means being surprised by goodness and badness sometimes. If it is bad, throw it out, but the thing is eating well is about EFFORT (finding who does make things well or making it yourself) and RISK. Risking eating something bad for something that is oh-so-good.
HeartofGlass at 5:26AM on 03/31/09
Thank you for bursting this bubble! Like many of the commenters here, I greatly prefer handmade to mass produced, but I'm not a "joiner" by nature, so I keep a healthy skepticism WRT trends and bandwagons. In other words, I don't automatically assume something will be good just because it is hand made and bears the stamp of approval from the "artisinal" camp.
However, I do find that most of the time artisinal and hand made stuff really IS better than the mass produced stuff. What springs to mind is my friend Michel's pancetta, which he started making after reading Ruhlman's "Charcuterie" book. So easy to make, and miles ahead of any mass produced stuff. I basically cannot eat production line pancetta anymore!
Blork at 10:15AM on 03/31/09
I agree that artisanal food may not always be better and you bring up a valid point there, Ed. It sucks that you were duped into buying jam that wasn't made by your friend's mom and that the "world's best bacon" was anything but; You just have to take this one for the team and count it as a loss. Your one-time experience does not an industry make. I don't appreciate bad food. I do appeciate the time an consideration put into food. But make no mistake, I won't be eating there again, if it's bad. Or at least, I won't put my $$ down on it.
Trikki427 at 11:40AM on 03/31/09
You're all pointing out something wonderful about local, artisanal foods--they are unique, they are different as night & day from one another, and although they can be good, bad or ugly, they are "self-regulating".
If you get a hairy, nipple covered, salty slab of bacon you don't like, will you buy from that producer again? Probably not. He has just lost a sale. If enough people stop buying from him, he will dry up and blow away. Or...Perhaps you should provide him feed-back. As a consumer, help him become a better producer. Take it as an opportunity to explain why you didn't like the food he was producing. If he's smart he will take it on the chin, adapt and try to do a better job at producing a quality product and providing what the market will buy.
There are going to be some bumps and ruts on the road to local, sustainable, quality foods. Too long we have been lulled into a palate deadening wasteland. We are going to have to re-learn to cook foods which our grandparents knew how to prepare instinctively. Producers are going to have to experiment and learn what works, what doesn't and to rediscover how to make excellent artisanal foods--which once upon a time were standard fare.
And producers--give your customers a feedback form. Offer free samples & tasters. Open yourselves up to criticism. Ask you customers to help you be better. Learn from other producers. Have tasting competitions amongst one another. Earn the right to sell you Mother's Jam recipe or "the Best bacon in the world" Do this, or you will find your products marginalized, your sales figures weak and you farm broken. A free market, a self-regulating local system means the best get better and they get the business while the rest loose money or earn nothing at all. Don't give up. Strive to be better! And if someone does have a complaint, if your product falls short of your sales pitch, your standards or reputation, offer to replace it, exchange for something else or give them their money back.
podchef at 12:09PM on 03/31/09
I agree that homemade doesn't always mean better. I mean the boxed stuff would certainly beat my homemade pasta any day! I think it's just intriguing when you find out something was made from scratch - it makes you give them more credit for the effort at the very least.
Hillary
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Chew on That at 1:12PM on 03/31/09
I've had some truly amazing artisanal salumi and cheese, and I have had some truly awful meat and cheese. The awful stuff inspired me to step out on my own and cure some meat. I have had really good luck with smoked bacon, pancetta, guanciale. My luck with sausage has been less impressive. I even had some success with making what amounts to venison prosciutto.
The one thing that I never do is rate my own products. I might really love the salt level in my bacon, someone else might think they are eating a salt-lick.
So before I decide that I can open my on charcuterie stand at the market, I'll make sure that my products are the best I can make if not the "best in the world".
I think finding and supporting artisanal food producers is as important as finding sustainable farmers.
Chris
onthekitchensteps at 7:28PM on 03/31/09
Like Ed, I have spent top dollar on food that sucked and then feel that I have been "cheated" by that person. It really ticks me off! Thanks for bringing this up Ed. At least I know I'm not alone...
ddvierra68 at 2:34PM on 04/06/09
1-I have a couple of farm stands I go to regularly to buy fruits and vegtables and the occasional dairy product. They also sell various baked goods, and once in a while I'll buy a baked good thinking it *has* to be good cuz its from the farm. It never ever is good. I should just stick with my local bakery -- or even myself!
2-This is kinda along the lines of why I don't buy grass-fed beef and such from my local farmers just because they sell it: I wonder "who's inspecting this stuff"? "How do I know its safe and handled properly"? I wish I would have some assurance so I could bring myself to buy it, but so far, I see none.
freebrook at 3:22PM on 04/06/09
We have a farmer's market in our small Pa. town from May-October. While we don't have any meat products we do have some kick butt fruits and vegetables during that time. It is mostly our local Amish farmers with a few "english" stands. The Amish are far and above the english, but are very pricey. You have to decide if it is worth it and most of the time it is. You can only get squash blossoms from them in this area. The Amish baked goods are okay, but do you want to make the whoopie pies yourself??? The english have some jams and plants and occasional vegetables (hard to compete with the Amish) and when it comes down to fresh corn on the cob the Amish at our market athe price and taste is competitive. There are many more veg. stands in South Pa and South Jersey that are looking to take advantage. You just have to know your vendors. I have been taking note the past few years of where to buy artisan products on the web. Sometimes it is worth it to pay for the postage. Costco has incredible bacon and vegetables and their meats are often restaurant quality.
janaatwg at 9:40PM on 04/06/09
To answer the question...of course not! Never say never and never say always. I must not be eating enough local food (anybody who knows me would laugh hysterically at this point) as I haven't gotten burned badly enough to feel like this...or my standards are awfully low!
Am I down with eating bad food produced by good people? No, but I'd like to help them become better producers with feedback. We need all the good growers/food entrepreneurs we can get. I had an experience where I bought pickles made by a CSA farm I love. They looked great but were kinda mushy. I spoke to the farmer and they realized what happened and learned what to do next batch/time. I think they decided to stick to being growers and not continue with value added items as it can be harder than it looks. I used them in tuna salad, etc and they were fine but not good for plain eating. Unless something is down and out manky/nasty, I can find a way to improve and use a challenging purchase. And if it is manky, any decent food seller will want to know, feel dreadful about it, and make restitution.
Ask for samples, if no samples ask what they'll do if you don't like their food (out of luck, money back, exchange). If you have an issue, speak up...though like others have said, one person's salt lick is another's just right - food is sooooo subjective. If you don't want to speak up, don't go back.
As far as thanking my lucky stars for Smuckers & Oscar Mayers? Food is better than no food however, I'm an upper lower class blue collar person who's been buying local/organic/natural for too long to feel very celebratory about agribiz and industrial food production. Not ungrateful mind you as I was raised on it and once I'm eating out and about...who can keep track of where everything comes from? I'm watchful and do what I can but don't get mental about it.
organicgal at 5:38AM on 04/07/09