Death of the Girl Scout Cookie?

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Founded in 1912, the Girl Scouts are pushing their 100th anniversary. But with few camp sites offering internet access and iPhone reception, and first aid badges losing hipness, the organization is fighting to remain relevant. With membership falling, the Girl Scouts hired a management consulting team and came up with one solution: de-emphasize the cookies. Apparently they want to be associated with more 21st century girl power, which doesn't leave room for the sweet snacks.
Wait. Shouldn't cookies be associated with every era? And hope? And happiness? Since when does cutting them fix anything? Not to mention the entrepreneurial skills involved in selling cookies.
November is usually prime time for the pigtailed brigade to go door-to-door and sweet-talk you into pre-ordering another box of Thin Mints. Did you notice a downturn in cookie sales pitches?
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31 Comments:
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! No more cookies????? NOOOOO! My tummy cries in pain from the thought of no more trefoils, thin mints, samoas and whatever those chocolate peanut butter ones are called.
But my thighs thx the Girl Scouts. Evil thighs!
b0tn0t at 1:51PM on 12/01/08
Ours always happen in the spring. And after all, Girl Scout cookies, unlike similar cookies you can buy year round at the grocery store, have no calories and are acceptable for binge-eating. It's pathetic to buy a box of cookies at the grocery store and down them all in one sitting, but Girl Scout cookies are meant to be snarfed.
Aren't they? You mean, it isn't like birthday cake has no calories?
Damn!
DTSSer at 2:09PM on 12/01/08
^and you're doing your civic duty, snarfing those cookies, it actually helps the young female leaders of tomorrow!
This makes me sad--lots of great troops do much more than sell cookies. I loved the crafts and field trips I did as a Girl Scout and as a Brownie.
HeartofGlass at 2:54PM on 12/01/08
If we're unable to keep buying Girl Scout cookies, the terrorists have won.
Chimpotle at 3:00PM on 12/01/08
Whooooaaaa, what?! No more Thin Mints?! Samosas? What has the world come to? Had I known, I would have bought about 8,000 more boxes last year and put them in my freezer.
Hillary
Chew on That
Chew on That at 3:37PM on 12/01/08
But Girl Scout cookies help to stimulate the economy! Just when you think you've spent all you can possibly stand the grocery store, you walk out to a table of adorable scouts baiting you to buy their Thin Mints.
liwinegirl at 3:44PM on 12/01/08
NoOoOoOoOoOo!!! I dropped out of Girl Scouts early in my brownie career without looking back - but my life would be empty without Thin Mints!
peachypear at 4:06PM on 12/01/08
Well, it kind of makes sense. Boy Scouts seem to be doing better. And the popcorn cans they sell are a minuscule part of what they do. It's not what people think of when they think of Boy Scouts. But cookies are what a lot of people think of when they think of Girl Scouts.
If I was a little girl, I wouldn't exactly be very excited to join an organization so I can sell cookies.
wunami at 4:12PM on 12/01/08
No more girl scout cookies? Clearly the first sign of the apocalypse.
mh330 at 4:59PM on 12/01/08
Hillary/ChewOnThat, You must be my evil twin. :-)
My thighs do not thank them. They are wasting away wondering when the next set of rations will come in. (harumph. as if)
Thins Mints and Samoa are sooo the best cookies ever. tears...
jdshd at 6:50PM on 12/01/08
no more reasons for living, I guess...
justcook at 6:52PM on 12/01/08
Um, no. It's unAmerican to not have Girl Scout cookies. And really, unless you're a parent and/or alumni, how much do you know about either the Boy or Girl Scouts? Emphasize whatever to the parents or alumni, but GIVE ME MY COOKIES.
Varuna77 at 7:24PM on 12/01/08
What?! The cookies were the only reason I wanted to be a Girl Scout when I was a wee one.
lawman at 7:54PM on 12/01/08
Girl scouting really isn't relevant, not even in an educational retro way. Boys get to learn about camping and building cool stuff, we get to learn that being cute helps you sell things. I know MY girl scout troop never taught me anything productive, and I'm still a little bitter. I like a Samoa now and then, but the Girl Scouts really lost me when they discontinued their turtle cookies ("Juliets") in the mid-90s.
bialy at 9:51PM on 12/01/08
Considering that at least 75% of the profits from the cookies go directly to fund the Girl Scouts council in the region and not to the troops that sell the cookies, I highly doubt that they will go away.
mariana96 at 10:13PM on 12/01/08
i loves me some girl scout cookies!
redhead at 10:24PM on 12/01/08
Better not!
I thought I just saw girl scout cookie ice cream on the shelves...
HoustonJoe at 11:31PM on 12/01/08
You know, I used to be a Girl Scout, and my mom was a cookie mom (if you want to know more, feel free to ask about the thousands of boxes piled in our house). But I have NEVER been offered to buy the cookies. In fact, I forgot they existed till now. Where do GSs sell cookies in NYC?
Linnea Covington at 11:49PM on 12/01/08
But 21st century girls LOVE cookies and sweets the same as their grandmothers (and grandfathers) :D I mean, look at the huge and quirky (girl) foodie blogosphere...
litsakouzina at 5:42AM on 12/02/08
When one hears "Girl Scouts", the next immediate thought is "Cookies!!", so I can see why they may want to broaden their image a bit. That being said, there is no reason to simply stop cookies sales. The girls learn quite a bit from selling cookies - salesmanship, responsibility, etc. - and the rest of get to enjoy a variety of yummy cookies!!
mrsbeezers at 10:40AM on 12/03/08
my favorite cookie is the samoa. this is unacceptable. i will try and remain calm.
megannesta at 8:29PM on 12/03/08
The bakers take 30% off the top. In reading about this on CNN's website (from March of 2007) I was amused by what the organization claimed that Scouts learned from this "voluntary" activity. The CNN piece states that of the 70 retained, 12 to 17 percent is kept by the local troop. Yikes! That's all?
And um, er where do you live where you get Girl Scouts door-to-door? We haven't seen that in at least 18 years around here. In our city, you buy cookies when a) a scout's mother puts out an email b) a scout's mother leaves an order form on her desk in the office or c) you go shopping and encounter a card table outside the grocery store/discount store etc. staffed by 4 Girl Scouts and a mommy or two (okay once I saw aan adult male. Once.). (I wish they did still come to the door. We don't have a car, so delivery would be so helpful.
Of course i buy them. I was a Girl Scout and there's nothing, like guilt to encourage purchasing something. And I can't imagine life without Thin Mints. Even some of the newer "tea cookies" were okay. Ooooh, cookies....(sorry, did I slobber?)
But sorry Mrs. B, I never learned "salesmanship" from selling GS cookies. And I never learned "responsibility which I believe I already understood. i do think that the latter is a good goal for girls. I do not think "salesmanship" is something I'd want my daughter (if I had one) to acquire as a Scout. I didn't learn "nuttin" from selling cookies (though that was decades past) and think the grandiose explanation offered is plain silly. the spokeswoman claimed that the skills helped girls become leaders later in life thanks to "cookie activities" which apparently included planning, team-building, "speaking up" making decisions, problems solving....and on and on. Wow. Pardon my lifted eyebrow. I think training girls and young women to become saleswomen should be the job of Junior Achievement.
Oh yeah, and my mother was a "cookie captain" at least once. Back when we did go door to door taking orders and delivering boxes when they arrived a few weeks later, we were the staging area for the troop. Cookies here, cookies there. Oy, did we have cookies!
Fluffnik at 4:34PM on 12/04/08
As a former scout, I feel the need to also contribute seriously to this matter.
I don't remember doing much as a Brownie other than earning merit badges in outdoor skills (similar to the boys) and subjects, like reading or art, that suited my interests. I, however, remained a girl scout until I was 13 because, in a small town, there wasn't much else to do! As a Junior and later Cadet Girl Scout the focus is shifted from selling cookies to doing community service. I think this is where I may have picked up some of the leadership skills that scouting is supposed to be about.
In recent years, I've seen commercials sponsored by the Girl Scouts of America advertising resources for parents to get their kids interested in math and science. If cookies contribute to this cause, they should most certainly not stop selling them!
liwinegirl at 7:39PM on 12/04/08
Girl Scouts also earn money that can be used towards GS camp in the summer. This is a huge positive for poor young Girl Scouts as GS camp presents a tremendous opportunity to get out in the country and to gain many skills, independence and self esteem.
What I find troubling is the so called advisor probably has no clue about the benefits of the cookie sales. What's more, again, they sell them, they don't eat them. I was a Girl Scout for seven years, and rarely if ever ate them.
Mares at 10:29PM on 12/04/08
Bialy, in my troop (this was in the '70s) I learned serious first aid skills, including how to rescue a drowning victim and provide resuscitation , how to do minor car maintenance, like change oil, how to check tire pressure), cooking, sewing (we made a patchwork quilt for the Bicentenial), how to chop wood, how to identify edible plants, and so many other skills. I'm sorry that your troop leader didn't invest herself more in providing a better experience for you.
When my daughter was young, I was one of her brownie troop leaders.
Mares at 10:37PM on 12/04/08
This is what's wrong w/ America: management consulting teams! Stupidity, and they have to pay to be told the stupidity! My thought is, duh, get web connectivity @ the GS camps! Create new, 21st century badges - e.g., blogging, website creation, etc. etc. My prediction is that if we lose the cookies we lose the GS soon after.
Robbo at 11:15PM on 12/04/08
My favorite cookie was always the Thin Mint. I say "was" because there was a tragic development which removed my Thin Mint cookie from existence. Here in the Pacific Northwest, the Thin Mint cookie used to have a layer of white mint filling on top of the cookie, and was then coated in chocolate. I remember part of the fun was licking the chocolate and mint layers off to reveal the GS logo on the cookie itself. Good times.
At some point in the eighties (I think) the powers-that-be decided to sync up the PWN cookie with the rest of the country, and now the crappy no-mint-layer cookie is what everyone has today. I scoff at today's Thin Mint. Fleh ptooey!
I was a Girl Scout for a year or so and maybe I had a particularly lame troop, but it was indeed lame. There was no camping, hiking, horseback riding, first aid lessons .. you know, all the things on would associate with camping and scouting? It was all about pimping out the girls to sell cookies, of which we received a tiny fraction of the sales after paying off the baker, the national GG organization, the regional people, etc.
Now I refer to the Girl Scouts as the COOKIE MAFIA. It's like you have to pay protection to get in to friggin' grocery store. Plus, the average baker can make better/better-for-you cookies at home these days.
Bah humbug!
funchefchick at 1:53AM on 12/05/08
My mother was the "cookie mother" in our troop, too. I remember selling GS cookies back when I didn't have to go door-to-door b/c father, et al. could just lay the order forms on their desks & they would magically get filled out over a couple of weeks with hundreds of orders. These days, they have changed the recipes (to be lower cost, i think) & the names (to be more pc - did a Samoan actually take offense at the fabulous cookies bearing the name of their homeland) so much, that the cookies are barely recognizable, so no wonder the Cookie Mafia has to extort in front of grocery stores in order to unload their ever-shrinking boxes of cookies.
Imho, GS should've started updating their image 25 yrs ago. It was totally unhip when I was a "brownie". I went to a day camp for a week once & it was lame (not even any swimming in the Texas summer!!) really lame. All we did was have meetings & make dumb little crafts (made better ones at home) & sing songs that were babyish even to a 2nd grader. I was in it b/c (a) there was nothing better to do in our one-horse town & (b) let's face it, my mother made me do it. I am afraid that it is too late for GS to update their image, but they could start by getting rid of the "scout" part.
KitchenHawk at 9:34AM on 12/05/08
Troop 655, Hudson Valley GS Council, represent.
Back in the '80s, I learned about all kinds of things in girl scouts. We had simple first aid classes and a course on babysitting. Reading, cooking, science, outdoor life. Don't get me wrong, selling the cookies was fun. But summer camp was AWESOME. I loved boating and swimming. Arts and crafts, hiking, camp fires and sing alongs.
I guess scouting experiences differ widely. Mine rocked, except for those nasty latrines at camp. And I still get a wave of nostalgia when I see the cookie mafia at the mall. *sigh*
Kerosena at 11:53AM on 12/05/08
I've been a Girl Scout all my life and a volunteer at the council level working on the Cookie Sale for the past 5 so a lot of these comments are like a knife in my heart.
Yes, it is true that the individual troops get less than 20% of the retail price back as immediate, direct profit but that doesn't mean they don't benefit from the money they don't keep. Cookie profits go back to the local council to pay the salaries of the staff members, pay for upkeep and improvements at camps and other properties, program materials, and all the other things necessary to make Girl Scouts great. Additional profits go to Girl Scouts of the USA to help them develop new programs and manage national policy. And yes, we do have to pay the baker too.
I'm sorry that some people don't believe how hard we work to make sure the Cookie Sale is not just a fundraiser but is also a learning experience for the girls. Every year, that is our foremost priority. It may sound like marketing hype to hear successful, adult women talk about the lessons they learned selling cookies but I have seen countless cases of girls who really blossomed because of opportunities they had during the cookie sale. The girl who had been pathologically shy in meetings suddenly find the confidence to talk to strangers while selling cookies in front of Wal*Mart, the girl struggling to find her place in the social structure of the group who comes up with the amazing idea to make the whole troops' sale successful, the stories go on and on. The feeling of setting a goal and achieving it is something we'd like every girl to experience.
In addition, the Cookie Sale, like all Girl Scout programs, has a service component. Troops can choose a charitable organization to sell cookies for. In 2001, my Brownie troop sold 10 cases of cookies and personally delivered them to the fire station. For the past few years, our council has sold cookies for the USO and girls have distributed them to soldiers as they board planes to deploy overseas. The stories the troop leaders tell from that experience are unbelievably touching.
Yes, girls still go door to door in some places but mostly that depends on having an adult volunteer willing to accompany them. I know of plenty of girls who do but a lot more girls who do not have the opportunity. For anyone who wants Girl Scout cookies but does not have a way to get them, call your local council. During cookie season, I guaranteed they will find a way to get cookies to you. http://girlscouts.org/councilfinder/
Finally, Samoas are still called Samoas for parts of the country. There are 2 bakeries providing cookies and the name varies depending on which one supplies your area. Caramel deLites are the equivalent (but not quite as good as the Samoa IMHO).
KTempesta at 1:18PM on 12/05/08
I'm a dad of my 10 week old daughter. I'm thinking of the future and looking for something like the girl scouts of america for her to join in the future. I looked at their website and there are more than one tab with the word Cookies. I got the feeling that the whole thing was about cookies. I was very disappointed. I hope they do get rid of cookies. I couldn't find anything about their merit badges, there was very little about hiking/backpacking. At least you don't have to use the word god in the scout law. I assume they allow gays. Good thing she is a girl and not a boy, I'd never want my child to be a member to the boy scouts (anti guy, anti atheist).
talljimbo at 1:40PM on 04/10/09