What Are Your Recipe Deal Breakers?

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An article in the New York Times today (Recipe Deal Breakers: When Step 2 is 'Corral Pig') is all about that point at which you slam the book closed and scream THEY WANT ME TO DO WHAT?! It prompted some discussion here at Serious Eats HQ.
Raphael: "If you don't own a food processor when the recipe calls for one, you're SOL. Or homemade ice cream. Most people don't have ice cream machines."
Robyn: "Anything that calls for heating sugar to a specific temperature. Or calls for whipping things in a mixing bowl, since I don't have a stand mixer. I don't really deep-fry, either. Oh, and I don't have a grill."
Alaina: "Baking in general. I'm not a baking person. Pie crusts and such? Bread? No."
Adam: I'll be a bit more specific than my colleagues. There once was a meatloaf recipe I pulled from Martha Stewart's website. The minute I got to "1 stalk celery, strings peeled, cut into 1/2-inch pieces," I was done. "She expects me to peel the damn strings out of the celery?" I thought. "How do you even do that!? No way."
So, serious eaters, what are your recipe deal breakers?
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61 Comments:
@Adam: You're afraid of peeling celery?
Raphael at 3:42PM on 06/04/08
Recipes that list multiple other recipes as ingredients.
aharste at 3:44PM on 06/04/08
I'm with aharste. If there's more than one recipe in a recipe...it's too much for me.
Sarajahii at 3:47PM on 06/04/08
lol Adam it's actually really easy, my mom showed me one day... even though that's where all the fiber is (supposedly)... you break part of the celery upwards (against the U shape) and pull back like you're peeling a banana skin down, and most of it comes right out. Hahahah. BTW, I dropped a celery stick once and the dog got a hold of it... later on I found all the strings, neatly laid out side by side. She ate everything but the strings. What a brat.
I don't bake, I don't own a food processor, and I'm wary of deep frying though I'll do it. Oh, if it lists mint as an ingredient (though that would apply more for baking generally)... or if it's got coconut in it cuz I'm allergic.
I also don't tend to like recipes with a lot of "heat to this temperature" recipes or recipes that require exact exact measurements (thus the no baking rule). Like if you're telling me that I have to sift the flour, then scoop it into a cup measure, and pat it down and brush off excess with my fingers... nah.
feistyfoodie at 3:48PM on 06/04/08
Peeling celery is easy. As long as I can figure out Muslim appropriate substitutes for ingredients I'm fine, but sometimes you just need some kind of alcohol and I won't do those...
seadkdc at 3:48PM on 06/04/08
I shy away from recipes that span hours or days, like those that require brining, marinating, proofing, aging, etc. In a kitchen with an eternally cluttered fridge and limited counterspace, I just don't have the room to spare for such things. Plus, unless I'm planning for a special event, I don't usually think about meals more than a few hours (often a few minutes) in advance, and protracted recipes just don't work well with that.
Amanda Clarke at 3:55PM on 06/04/08
I'm with Raphael and Robyn - specialized equipment is the worst. Ice cream machines, deep fryers, grills (not allowed to grill on our balcony in NYC), crock pots, pressure cookers, etc.
Luckily, I have a food processor and a stand mixer and I think those are pretty common items to have in your kitchen, assuming you don't live in New York and have a postage-stamp-sized kitchen.
kathrynyu at 3:56PM on 06/04/08
Anything involving the deconstruction of a whole chicken (i.e. cut up a whole chicken). I can do almost all meats, but I just can't do that.
sharsd at 3:57PM on 06/04/08
Recipes that require you to buy obscure/rare ingredients like Indian Cress or Hollyhock.
fritesandfries at 3:57PM on 06/04/08
Heh. Yeah. I guess I should have mentioned in there that when I first went to this recipe, back in, like, 2000, 2001, I didn't know even know you could "peel" or "destring" celery. I tried hacking away at it with a paring knife and gave up. A few years later, I think I was watching some TV show and saw someone do the trick you talk about, Feisty. So, really, I've learned since then, but it's the one time I specifically remember giving up and moving on.
I will agree with Aharste on the subrecipes bit. I hate scanning a recipe, thinking it has only a few ingredients, and then realizing upon closer inspection that two of the "ingredients" are sauces or stocks or what not that require tons more work.
Adam Kuban at 3:57PM on 06/04/08
I have a postage stamp kitchen. I have a stand mixer but not a food processor. Have been resisting the processor because I don't know if I'd use it enough, and I hate doing dishes. Without a dishwasher, I don't know if I want the hassle of trying to clean the thing.
Adam Kuban at 3:58PM on 06/04/08
If you see a recipe as merely an author's suggestions, then you can't get too worked up about anything. That's just the way I see it.
Cathy@noteatingoutinny at 4:05PM on 06/04/08
Wow.
I guess there really aren't any for me.
I mean, sometimes I have to put down a recipe on a certain day due to time or space or equipment I currently own etc...but that does not mean I would never make it when I would be able to.
I (and the DH) have almost no foods we CAN'T eat, and only a few we (mostly I) WON'T eat, so unless a recipe simply cannot have a substitution made for whatever the offending ingredient is, it is still in 'play' to be made.
I guess since cooking/baking has almost always been my way of making a living and I love it, there is almost nothing I won't attempt at least once. I consider myself decent at making necessary substitutions/omissions or skipped/added steps (the day I peel celery is the day I have died and descended to hell ;)) and so most stuff is fair game when looked at that way.
If a recipe is using one of the things I won't eat as the main focus, and there is just no substitute, then I guess that would be a deal breaker.
Cilantro (if I cannot sub another herb), certain meats and fish I choose not to eat and a very, very few other things.
sadiepix at 4:07PM on 06/04/08
Although I have a full size processor, I find that 90% of the time a mini one is perfectly fine. Ditto the comment on extended brining/marinating times. Frying is straight out for me and I don't have a double boiler or dutch over, either, but those are usually easy to work around (and I really should get a dutch oven).
DJ Dedd at 4:11PM on 06/04/08
Any recipe that has more than 5 spices or more than 2 fresh herbs, especially when they all call for one spring of something. I don't need to buy a container of mustard and corriander seeds to use once and I dont need to buy a whole bunch of fresh thyme to use one spring and then find the rest of the bunch 3 weeks later in the bottom of my fridge, black and slimey.
ESNY1077 at 4:16PM on 06/04/08
Simple syrups. Unless I have a TON of time on my hands, cakes with five or six different types of layers.
judithavory at 4:16PM on 06/04/08
A lot of the things listed above will move a recipe from the "dinner" category straight over into the "weekend adventure cooking" category for me. Multi-recipe recipes, overnight marinades, smoking, all-day cooking...
I'd guess that the more a person sees food preparation as an adventure/hobby, the more willing they are to do whatever it takes.
That said, I still skip peeling carrots and asparagus stems most of the time, and I'll usually leave the skins on instead of blanching and skinning my tomatoes and peaches. I'm just not that picky about the fibrous bits.
missginsu at 4:22PM on 06/04/08
Those soup recipes that want me to take about half of the really hot brew and give it a whirl in a blender and then pour it back in. Not happening here. (For those who haven't tried this, you need to use repeated small amounts of the stuff and hold the blender lid on very carefully, 'cause hot soup seems to expand exponentially when it's blenderized. It's a great way to acquire some new burns.)
Baking is that thing that happens in the back of bakeries.
My $400 food processor hasn't made anything besides hummus for the last year or so.
billg at 4:27PM on 06/04/08
I really can't think of an ingredient I'd call a deal breaker, mostly because I figure there is almost always something I can substitute to get a decent result (this comes from having food allergies to a lot of really common ingredients, like peanuts and bananas and lentils). In terms of technique, deep frying is usually a deal breaker, partially for health reasons, partially because of the inevitable mess during and after, partially because of the inherent difficulty and danger involved in actually doing it right. If a recipe calls for some complicated technique to make something that's essentially a garnish or whoe result is entirely aesthetic (ie not crucial to the taste of the dish) I'll generally skip it, but it won't stop me from making the recipe. Anything that requires tools I don't have (a pressure cooker, meat grinder, or a food processor larger than 2 cups, for example) has the definite possibility of being tossed, if I can't think of a way to fake it manually.
All things considered it takes a lot for me to shy away from a recipe - I like to think I'm pretty adaptable in the kitchen and do a decent job of winging it.
erichan726 at 4:29PM on 06/04/08
Recipes break my brain in general.
Like heck I'm gonna measure out meat/fish portions in ounces. I am NOT going to count out sprigs of chives either.
While I know its a necessity to give precise amounts of spices, condiments, etc in a recipe for user consistency and friendliness, I even have issues with pulling out a multitude of measuring doodads just to make sure I'm adding the exact amount of soy sauce to a recipe.
fuuchan at 4:45PM on 06/04/08
Ohhh cheating Cathy... =P I guess I don't think outside the box enough... in that case, I wouldn't consider myself making *that* particular recipe... I'm just making my bastardization of that (which I do quite often, actually). In that case... yea I don't really have deal breakers cuz if I like the concept of osmething or really want to make it, I just switch out what I don't want or can't use...
feistyfoodie at 4:51PM on 06/04/08
Soft ball stage...I just pass right on by those recipes.
hkydiva at 5:03PM on 06/04/08
Anything that requires a stand mixer, since I still haven't bought one, as I can't decide on what colour I want.. So anything that requires multiple stand-mixer settings and prolonged beating? Back-burnered until I'm in someone else's kitchen, or I shell out for my KitchenAid ;}
Or recipes calling for a pressure cooker... *shudder*
myzkyti at 5:11PM on 06/04/08
Deep frying.
lemons at 5:40PM on 06/04/08
Have to agree with ESNY1077 - can't grocery stores sell mini-bunches of herbs? Who needs that much parsley? There should be a "singles" section at the supermarket with single-serve portions of things (and for people who live alone). Or we can all shop at Japanese supermarkets where everything is smaller ; )
marsbar at 5:42PM on 06/04/08
Good point, MarsBar. I cook for myself and shy away from things that inevitably result in a lot of veggies going to waste. Celery is a good example. If I buy a bunch of the stuff just to use one or stalks, then a week later I'm throwing the rest of it away,
Selling single portions of herbs, etc., ought to appeal to grocers, because their markup would be substantial.
billg at 6:13PM on 06/04/08
Anything that requires an ice cream maker. I know they are only cheap but I cant trust myself!
Mostly its to do with ingredients. I refuse to use crisco, or deep fry anything. I did find some coconut oil though, so I can replace crisco with that.
jennywenny at 6:22PM on 06/04/08
A little off-topic, but when I really want to make a small soup or stuffing or what-have-you and just need a smidge of carrot, celery, olives, or such, I hit the grocery store salad bar. Yeah, I pay a premium, and I get funny looks at checkout over my "salad" of 2 Tbs celery, 3 Tbs carrots, and a bit of diced pepper, but no waste and just enough of the dish I want to satisfy makes it OK for me occasionally.
Cary at 6:37PM on 06/04/08
I would love to make Jeff Varsano's pizza recipe, but he loses me here:
"So I clipped off the lock [of my oven] using garden shears so I could run it on the cleaning cycle...As I prep, the oven will get up to 800 (floor). 900+ tops. "
That scares the *%^*&% out of me.
http://slice.seriouseats.com/jvpizza/
fleurdesel at 6:38PM on 06/04/08
Any recipe that requires me to refrigerate large items overnight (for example, brining meats), I can't do as my fridge is counter high. And I don't have a food processor or a blender. Nor do I have a microwave though things like melting chocolate or heating liquids aren't a problem. I'll only attempt deep frying recipes if I think it's ok to shallow fry them instead. It's just too much oil and I have no space to save that used oil.
sulin at 6:41PM on 06/04/08
Anything that requires a food processor and doesn't give directions for how to do it without one is out. I have a tiny kitchen with very little counter space. The precious space is occupied by a coffee grinder and maker, things I use everyday. I do have a Kitchen Aid stand mixer because I love baking, especially dense cheesecakes. I have a blender but it's light enough I keep it on the shelf under the kitchen cart that holds my microwave and toaster oven...which is in the dining area since it won't fit in the kitchen.
mjane79 at 6:56PM on 06/04/08
Sadly, I don't have a stand mixer, food processor, or an ice cream maker so those are a deal breakers. When I have a bigger kitchen I will have these items and be so much happier in the kitchen. Maybe with a mixer my chocolate mousse cake will turn out mousse-like rather than like a flourless brownie (still good, but unintended). I can often get by using my Magic Bullet instead of a food processor but sometimes it's not a suitable substitution.
I don't make rouxs. They seem unnecessary. On the second page of the article the author mentions that the instruction "work quickly" can be anxiety-producing. This is how I feel about phyllo dough, even though phyllo is one of my favourite things to eat.
CanadianFoodieGirl at 7:05PM on 06/04/08
If a thermometer is required, then I'm outta there!
I would have said anchovies is a deal-breaker, but I went ahead and made something with anchovies a couple of weks ago. And it didn't suck!
Fish cheeks? Are they real fish cheeks?
Clarified butter. I refuse to do anything to my butter other than melt it.
puppymomma at 7:20PM on 06/04/08
brining.
(brine in salt water solution for 12-48 hours)
de-brining
(soak in cool water for 12 to 24 hours, changing the water every 3 hours)
forget it!
redhead at 8:00PM on 06/04/08
I have the worst oven in the world(we rent, so not much I can do about it), so anything that involves starting the baking at one temp and then turning the oven down.
Also, deep frying. I have to really really believe that the finished product is going to be worth figuring out how to dispose of all that oil.
winnybean at 8:04PM on 06/04/08
I won't kill my own meat, and I won't cook bunnies. Other than that, I'll try anything once. (Thomas Keller's cookbooks, which I've looked at in Border's, do make me vaguely homicidal though.)
maered at 8:46PM on 06/04/08
I don't have deal-breakers as much as there are things I do my own way in spite of what the recipe says. I read the entire recipe, and then re-interpret depending on my time/the purpose of the meal (i.e. dinner for 2 after a long work day, or an occasion). James Peterson and Thomas Keller both provide lengthy, specific recipes; I definitely caramelize my onions for as long as Keller says (which takes longer than the hours he indicates to get them to be the color he describes).
dettling05 at 9:20PM on 06/04/08
the food processor definately.
that's the one and only that i can think of for the moment.
with frying, i tend to just guess the temperature it's at based on how much bubbling it does when i throw something like some batter in. works pretty well for me.
Stankind at 11:03PM on 06/04/08
I agree with the "recipe inside a recipe" people. I will do two recipes ( like a sauce or homemade mayo or other dressing within a recipe) but more than 2 (like almost ALL of emeril's recipes) and I am done.
midgepingleton at 11:23PM on 06/04/08
Excellent posts. The other day, I printed out Michael Laiskonis The "Egg" recipe (it sounded great) - then I read that I would need a "one-pint foam canister" and "gas cartridges." Definitely a deal breaker - even though I would have gladly done the three-in-one long recipe.
epices6 at 12:04AM on 06/05/08
Anything that involves setting something aflame is usually out (unless it's small flames, like for a creme brulee). Also, anything that requires precise temperatures/gradations of cooking. And obscure instruments (like epices6's foam canister and gas cartridges). We have a stand-up mixer, a blender, a mandoline and a pressure cooker (thank you Alton Brown for not making me afraid of them), but there's still a hefty chunk of things that we don't own, so finding substitutes or workarounds is critical.
bastling at 1:37AM on 06/05/08
I draw the line at deep frying. I have a totally unfounded fear that I'll knock the hot oil over. I suck at baking due to the having to measure exactly in most cases. So, no homemade doughnuts at my house...
Rottenmom at 8:05AM on 06/05/08
I still read Cooking Light magazine, and they drive me slap-ass-batty with some of their fake ingredients. If a recipe calls for egg substitute, I slam the mag shut and walk away. Doesn't matter that I could actually substitute real eggs for egg substitute. The concept is too blasted annoying. I just move on.
sarahbeam at 8:24AM on 06/05/08
So far I can only say macaron recipes! I feel like they are all lies, and no one is willing to reveal the true secret to making a perfect macaron! WHYYY?!!! All that talk about leaving eggs out for 3 days, Italian vs French meringues, bla bla bla yada yada yada... by far the most frustrating recipe yet. And despite all the frustration, I'm still stubborn and will give it another try just because! Could it be that I actually enjoy the suffering, for macaron's sake?
MariannaF at 8:49AM on 06/05/08
When the recipe begins with "Pre-heat the oven to.." I immediately go onto something else.
RichardCrystal at 9:17AM on 06/05/08
Shortening. I just won't use it. However, I can always noodle around with a recipe to make it butter/oil friendly.
hereandthe at 9:44AM on 06/05/08
Deep frying. Using all that oil just seems like a waste. Anything calling for an appliance or tool I don't have, where the substitution wouldn't be easy. I'm not particularly fond of dealing with egg whites. Firm, glossy, not dry - those definitions don't compute for me. Major (and even some minor) ingredients impossible to find in a rural area.
sjwoodin at 10:03AM on 06/05/08
Any recipe that requires me to more than open a package.
Thomasj at 10:24AM on 06/05/08
I don't do yeast. I could, but I don't. Psychological. I used to help my dad make Polish bread at Christmastime, and he always got all nervous and jerky when it came to the yeast. He was the only one to handle it, he would always buy 10 times more than he needed, and he'd get all anxious every time we baked the bread. It always came out great, but his stress levels put me off yeast for life.
I love deep frying, though.
Kerosena at 10:59AM on 06/05/08
If using an ice cream maker is a "deal-breaker", why are you even looking at an ice cream recipe in the first place?
worldcupfever at 12:03PM on 06/05/08
I won't peel tomatoes...it just seems too fussy, and I don't mind the skins. I got over my fear of making caramel and candy, but I still won't deep fry. Luckily my husband seems to be a natural at it.
Don't be scared of ice cream makers, people! Homemade ice cream is the best. The simplest Donvier and Cuisinart ice cream makers will earn their keep within a year.
Robin Bellinger at 1:38PM on 06/05/08
Anything that involves using yeast. Yeast = dough = rising time = way too long. I'm way too impatient for that.
and puppymomma...fish cheeks are really fish cheeks. But they taste great!
natalie2040 at 1:44PM on 06/05/08
anything with the use of the term "veggies", if someone can't spell "vegetables" i have no desire to read their recipe since they probably don't have enough sense to put a good meal on the table.
olddad at 9:42PM on 06/05/08
I don't have a food processor, and I, too, am frustrated when recipes (I'm looking at you, Cook's Illustrated) don't offer alternatives to food processor instructions. Otherwise I won't deep-fry for reasons mentioned above (it is just one of those things I leave to restaurants - too messy), and anything with meat or highly-processed ingredients (e.g. tofu cream cheese, soy creamer, egg substitute, Crisco) is out as well. I only bake yeast breads without my breadmaker occasionally, but it's not a dealbreaker.
producestories at 11:06PM on 06/05/08
I'm a single woman, so anytime I see a recipe that has a 'yield 48' unless it can be easily cut down (some sites allow you to do that) I'm not going to make it--yes, I know 'you can freeze things' but c'mon, who likes any one dish enough to have enough for 6 months of the same thing?
Heavy cream, more than 1 cup of oil in a small batch, unclear technique directions without illustrations, and gelatin.
HeartofGlass at 9:33AM on 06/06/08
recipe that involves cooking anything larger than my head.
Steamy Kitchen at 9:56AM on 06/07/08
Oh, I just saw one on Slashfood--'this easy bread starter only requires you to wait 14 hours'
HeartofGlass at 10:13AM on 06/07/08
I once read a Martha recipe that called for Chardonnay twigs. Oh, I drew the line right quick.
mintyfreshflavor at 10:47AM on 06/07/08
I think it's funny that so many of the reasons listed in the original post are recipes that are avoided because of not owning enough appliances. There are always ways around not having every appliance imaginable. David Lebovitz has instructions for making ice cream when you don't have an ice cream maker, most things that require a stand mixer can be done by hand with a teeny bit more elbow grease, similar to most things that require a food processor. All of these things were made long before most kitchens had a million appliances and gadgets. I say give it a try!
nikki57 at 10:51AM on 06/07/08
I pretty much avoid most baking recipes, except for the simple things I grew up making, like cookies or biscuits. I do not make candy, cakes, or especially meringues. maybe someday when I am not living in a cramped apartment with an electric stove. That's pretty much it in terms of deal breakers; I will try most things at least once before giving up on the idea.
Tasty Morsel at 12:08PM on 06/09/08
Anything that requires me to visit more than 2 grocery stores is out. I'll make substitutes where I can, but I have a one-year old - time is a luxury I'd rather not spend grocery shopping.
AlterJ at 2:54PM on 06/09/08